Fine. Gian made some amazing posts, but they imo belong in the Tech Talk forum. This stuff is going deep my brother.
XC90 [SPIED] Volvo XC90 Successor
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The Volvo XC90 is a mid-size luxury SUV manufactured and marketed by Volvo Cars since 2002. The first generation was introduced at the 2002 North American International Auto Show and used the Volvo P2 platform shared with the first generation Volvo S80 and other large Volvo cars. It was manufactured at Volvo's Torslandaverken in Sweden. Volvo moved production equipment of the first generation to China and ended Swedish production at the end of 2014, renaming the car as the Volvo XC Classic (or Volvo XC90 Classic). In late 2022, the electric-only EX90 was introduced as the successor of the XC90. However, in September 2024, Volvo launched the second facelift of XC90, and stated that both models would be sold together.
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Fine. Gian made some amazing posts, but they imo belong in the Tech Talk forum. This stuff is going deep my brother.
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It's done now - the discussion has been dealt with (within the context of the new XC90) and we can all move on to the next one...
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The interior has a lovely combination of simplicity and elegance and with a touch of hightech to it. I like the unusual steering wheel colour and also the look of the wood! Instruments look nice and clear and touch screen helps to get rid of buttons
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Very clean design, although a bit cheap on the center console IMO. The screen size/placement looks great but I hope it's not all touchscreen...fingerprints are so problematic.
KiwiRob
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I just hope it looks good on the out
It's only Nordic if it comes flat packed for assembly at home!
I wonder what the trim on the lower priced models will be like?
That wood trim just makes me swoon. It's so Nordic.
It's only Nordic if it comes flat packed for assembly at home!
I wonder what the trim on the lower priced models will be like?
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Like the interior very much. I think the interior of the next V70 (V90 by then?) will look even better, while more flat (not as high/massive) as in the SUV. My wife wants the next V70/V90. But......I hate those touchscreens! Somehow I can't manage to understand the combination "premium cars - touchscreen". Sure, know the thought behind a touchscreen, but it looks so ugly after only one day of use.
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Could this be the real thing?
Edit: sorry, is old and already shown on page 2 by Gianclaudio
Edit: sorry, is old and already shown on page 2 by Gianclaudio
Rainer271
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At least the interior pics are pics of the concept.
It seems this slide show contains pics from this article:
http://generalcars2015.com/2015-volvo-xc90-suv-concept/
This article is dated of April 14th.
It seems this slide show contains pics from this article:
http://generalcars2015.com/2015-volvo-xc90-suv-concept/
This article is dated of April 14th.
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Showing the lights.
More: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-volvo-xc90-tech-secrets-revealed
I find it surprising that nobody comments on the new (as compared to the concepts) shape of the headlights ... The indicator glass reminds me of the RangeRover family ....
KiwiRob
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Is it just me or is this rear suspension setup not compatible with AWD, there doesn't appear to be room for a diff and drive shafts.
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This is a typical case of theory vs application. After a three hours long discussion and a few quick analyses with three friends of mine, two civil and one mechanical engineers we concluded the following:
The transverse leaf spring does NOT work as an anti roll bar.
And that's why.
1. There's a reason why the Corvetter has a rear anti-roll bar.
2. While in theory I assumed that the two clamps, which connect the transverse leaf spring will allow rotation, in reality they are not that flexible, allowing minimal rotation. Therefore, while the leaf spring works like the theory of post #104 shows, in application it's quite different. Only minimal rotation is allowed by the clamp, therefore only minimal load is transferred to the other wheel.
3. I run a few simple analyses of the leaf spring using linear finite elements and even with full rotational freedom, the load (in terms of displacement) transferred to the unloaded wheel is a full order less than the load on the loaded wheel.
4. As the mech engineer of the gang explained, there are a few advantages of having a different set-up for the anti-roll bar, instead of using the leaf spring for both a spring and anti-roll bar. But I am not sure I understood exactly what he said, let alone be able to explain it here. I hope to be able to do that later today.
5. Even though the leaf spring will deform like my figure in post #104, the rigidity of the two clamps [how tightly they are screwed] as well as their design, will counter balance the rotation that the leaf spring wants.
5a. Something I noticed only now. Take a look at how the upper clamp is offset to the lower one. This introduces a double couple of forces, a moment essentially, that works as a reaction moment, reacting to the rotation at the support point. It's a partial fixity connection.
5b. The difference with what I wrote in post #104 is that due to the way the clamps are designed, while the leaf springs wants to rotate freely at the points of the two supports, it will not rotate as much. The design of the clamps will oppose to the said rotation, but not completely block it. This reduces the load transferred to the other wheel.
5c. The main difference of theory vs application is how much load is transferred to the other wheel. For the theorist (me) transferring load was enough to prove that this also works as an anti-roll bar. For an applicationist, the calculated load was not enough for the leaf spring to be taken seriously as an anti-roll bar as well.
Conclusion: Volvo should put an anti-roll bar.
Sorry for the confusion.
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This is a typical case of theory vs application. After a three hours long discussion and a few quick analyses with three friends of mine, two civil and one mechanical engineers we concluded the following:
The transverse leaf spring does NOT work as an anti roll bar.
And that's why.
1. There's a reason why the Corvetter has a rear anti-roll bar.
2. While in theory I assumed that the two clamps, which connect the transverse leaf spring will allow rotation, in reality they are not that flexible, allowing minimal rotation. Therefore, while the leaf spring works like the theory of post #104 shows, in application it's quite different. Only minimal rotation is allowed by the clamp, therefore only minimal load is transferred to the other wheel.
3. I run a few simple analyses of the leaf spring using linear finite elements and even with full rotational freedom, the load (in terms of displacement) transferred to the unloaded wheel is a full order less than the load on the loaded wheel.
4. As the mech engineer of the gang explained, there are a few advantages of having a different set-up for the anti-roll bar, instead of using the leaf spring for both a spring and anti-roll bar. But I am not sure I understood exactly what he said, let alone be able to explain it here. I hope to be able to do that later today.
5. Even though the leaf spring will deform like my figure in post #104, the rigidity of the two clamps [how tightly they are screwed] as well as their design, will counter balance the rotation that the leaf spring wants.
5a. Something I noticed only now. Take a look at how the upper clamp is offset to the lower one. This introduces a double couple of forces, a moment essentially, that works as a reaction moment, reacting to the rotation at the support point. It's a partial fixity connection.
5b. The difference with what I wrote in post #104 is that due to the way the clamps are designed, while the leaf springs wants to rotate freely at the points of the two supports, it will not rotate as much. The design of the clamps will oppose to the said rotation, but not completely block it. This reduces the load transferred to the other wheel.
5c. The main difference of theory vs application is how much load is transferred to the other wheel. For the theorist (me) transferring load was enough to prove that this also works as an anti-roll bar. For an applicationist, the calculated load was not enough for the leaf spring to be taken seriously as an anti-roll bar as well.
Conclusion: Volvo should put an anti-roll bar.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Volvo CEO says new XC90 is last chance for the brand
The model 'has to work'
In a recent interview, Hakan Samuelsson, Volvo CEO, hinted that the all-new XC90 should help the company finally close the sales gap with BMW, Audi and Mercedes-Benz.
Speaking to Automotive News Europe at the producer's headquarters in Gothenburg, he said “There is no second chance, of course. This has to work. We're confident it will”.
The 2015 XC90 is scheduled for a debut at the end of August and will become the first Volvo model with no components from former owner Ford Motor Co. It is based on an all-new platform and features many innovative technologies.
A month ago, Li Shufu, chairman of both Volvo and its current owner Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., said the model should drive the brand to “the territory that belonged to Volvo in the 50s and 60s” and help it “once again possess the market share it ought to possess”.
Source: Automotive News Europe
The model 'has to work'
In a recent interview, Hakan Samuelsson, Volvo CEO, hinted that the all-new XC90 should help the company finally close the sales gap with BMW, Audi and Mercedes-Benz.
Speaking to Automotive News Europe at the producer's headquarters in Gothenburg, he said “There is no second chance, of course. This has to work. We're confident it will”.
The 2015 XC90 is scheduled for a debut at the end of August and will become the first Volvo model with no components from former owner Ford Motor Co. It is based on an all-new platform and features many innovative technologies.
A month ago, Li Shufu, chairman of both Volvo and its current owner Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., said the model should drive the brand to “the territory that belonged to Volvo in the 50s and 60s” and help it “once again possess the market share it ought to possess”.
Source: Automotive News Europe
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Rainer271
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In german forums is speculated end of '15/beginning of '16.
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