Vs Side by side: W212 E63 AMG vs F10 M5

[Padi]

^ New video of the E63?

 

[Sunny]

Whats with all the trolling about the E-Class having a cheap, illshaped interior. Are some of you being honest? ( no,your not being honest, you want to be noticed.)
Shouting and hating doesn`t stand out. Intelligence does!

The W212 E-Class has some of the finest materials in it`s class. The design fits the angular theme of the new E very well and is unique to the E-Class.
Some of you critize these cars for being different which is very lame!
Both 5er and E-Class offer very good quality interiors. We may prefer one over the other but the quality is there for you in both cars without question.

So let me get this straight cause I think I missed the memo. If a MB fan criticize a BMW, take for example -

However, I don't see what everyone's gushing about regarding those M5 pics. Other than the color, the car looks like it could pass as a 90's Sedan with a big fatty and non-defined front end

it is valid factual criticism and BMW fans that question that very factual statement are

so blinded by your fanatic loyalty to the F10

But if a BMW fans criticize a Mercedes, it is "trolling", "to be noticed" and "not intelligent". So let me the first to offer my apology, I sincerely missed that memo. How fcuking non-intelligent of me to think these seats with the sawed off piece of plastic are the worst piece of shit to be offered in a $80k car.

When the fact is all I really wanted was to be noticed by you cool "non-hating intelligent" guys.

Again my apologies, let me now go enlist myself in the star re-eduction program at the earliest possible date so I don't point out these uncomfortable stuff in the future.

 

[klier]

GTA is just hurt some people don't like the E class the way he does, Sunny.
But it's always funny to read his well educated and thought out predictions.

I want to be noticed by the cool non hating intelligent guys too. Damn, I have to try harder!!!

 

[LaArtist]

So let me get this straight cause I think I missed the memo. If a MB fan criticize a BMW, take for example -

it is valid factual criticism and BMW fans that question that very factual statement are But if a BMW fans criticize a Mercedes, it is "trolling", "to be noticed" and "not intelligent". So let me the first to offer my apology, I sincerely missed that memo. How fcuking non-intelligent of me to think these seats with the sawed off piece of plastic are the worst piece of shit to be offered in a $80k car.

When the fact is all I really wanted was to be noticed by you cool "non-hating intelligent" guys.

Again my apologies, let me now go enlist myself in the star re-eduction program at the earliest possible date so I don't point out these uncomfortable stuff in the future.

Please stop..i can do the same..
You call me a troll cause i discuss Caliper color of M5..
And now you cry when someone calls you a troll for complaining about seats..
Dont play the game if you cant take it

 

[donkeykong]

Gotta love the banter on this site.

 

[Sunny]

Please stop..i can do the same..
You call me a troll cause i discuss Caliper color of M5..
And now you cry when someone calls you a troll for complaining about seats..
Dont play the game if you cant take it

Oh, snap, my bad, didn't realize your 2 page crocodile tears about the color of the brake calipers was in the "Internal Combustion" section. Oh wait, it wasn't... crap!

 

[LaArtist]

^Hhahaha so thats what its about? where its posted..
Just stop it will you?

 

[GTA45E]

Again my apologies, let me now go enlist myself in the star re-eduction program at the earliest possible date so I don't point out these uncomfortable stuff in the future.

I don`t think I pointed out a certain fan club. I stated both these cars have quality and that goes for both sides! (heck if you want to gripe about the seats
in the E63 I could gripe about the new M5s dainty crank-shaft that won`t be able to handle more than 600hp, which is the joke of the year to the super tuners out there!!)

We as members should be able to make good educated points without talking trash, trolling or cussing on this board.
Please, lets stay on topic my friends. Lets not get so defensive over our favorite cars. Thay shouldn`t run our hearts.

 

[Sunny]

heck if you want to gripe about the seats
in the E63 I could gripe about the new M5s dainty crank-shaft that won`t be able to handle more than 600hp, which is the joke of the year to the super tuners out there!!)

And your source for this "educated" statement?

 

[deity]

 

[GTA45E]

And your source for this "educated" statement?

Intresting about the power output. Why the M5 only got 562 hp.
We have heard an unconfirmed rumor that BMW has dialed back the full potential power output of the new M5 because while the engine has the ability to produce far more power (well over 600 hp), the crankshaft cannot handle the additional loads associated with the increased output. According to the rumor, BMW has looked at engineering a new crankshaft to handle the additional power, but for the time being, the costs overwhelm the budget. Thus, the design improvements over the S63 in the new X M cars will be translated into improved efficiency, while not increasing nominal power output. Needless to say, the lighter M5 (relative to the new X M cars) will still have “sufficient” power.
BMWBLOG Tech Anaylsis: Under the Skin of BMW's New M5

--->>BMWBLOG Tech Anaylsis: Under the Skin of BMW's New M5



BMW might have future problems with this engine. If it can`t handle more than 600+hp 560hp is way too close to the boiling point and is not safe imo.

Remember when AMG introduced the M156 6.2liter V8? thay kept the torque down to a safe 465lb-ft because thay noted the 7-speed automatic couldn`t more handle 600lb-ft which is the boiling point (point of rupture.)

 

[Giannis]

--->>BMWBLOG Tech Anaylsis: Under the Skin of BMW's New M5

If you read behind the fancy words, you will see in that article that the compression ratio was increased in the S63TU engine, in comparison to the S63, via a new, redesigned head.

 

[martinbo]

It's an unsubstantiated rumour and nothing more right now. Every manufacturer builds tolerances into their engines to make sure that even with the harshest of treatment severe mechanical failure ought not to occur following thousands upon thousands of hours of development testing.

 

[Sunny]

--->>BMWBLOG Tech Anaylsis: Under the Skin of BMW's New M5

So I guess

I We have heard an unconfirmed rumor

is the basis for your "intelligent" posts?

But on the bright side, I can have the satisfaction of smugly quoting myself from that thread about the predictable nature of netizens.

Well if he really read the post, he would have also read this part -

Of course given nature of denizens of the internet, in a few days time this will be the established proven fact certified by Reithofer and a seal from BMW.

If you read behind the fancy words, you will see in that article that the compression ratio was increased in the S63TU engine, in comparison to the S63, via a new, redesigned head.

Interesting, but it still confuses me how the redesigned cylinder head doesn't reduce the capacity (with out a compensating increase in the stroke).

 

[Giannis]

Interesting, but it still confuses me how the redesigned cylinder head doesn't reduce the capacity (with out a compensating increase in the stroke).

Engine displacement is defined as:

 

[Sunny]

Engine displacement is defined as:

And compression ratio is:

or in other words CR = (displacement/cyl + Vc)/Vc

So I guess Vc which the is clearance volume or the little space at the top of the cylinder when the piston is at it's top most position change, probably due to the change in the piston head shape.

 

[Giannis]

And compression ratio is:

or in other words CR = (displacement/cyl + Vc)/Vc

So I guess Vc which the is clearance volume or the little space at the top of the cylinder when the piston is at it's top most position change, probably due to the change in the piston head shape.

Exactly!

So, compression ratio is depended on the bore, the stroke and the clearence volume. Since both bore and stroke were left untouched, it's safe to assume that the clearence volume was decreased (since compression ratio is higher).

There are only two ways to decrease the clearence volume:

1. With thinner flange
2. With a redesigned head

BMW went with the second option.

 

[K-A]

Lol. And they say that traditional (Timeless) 3-Box Sedans don't inspire passion. More passion here than in a Thread about one of BMW's hideous masterpieces of worst-car-design-ever: 5 GT (or maybe new 1? Or maybe E65? ) or funky emotive 4-Door Coupe!

 

[GTA45E]

It's an unsubstantiated rumour and nothing more right now. Every manufacturer builds tolerances into their engines to make sure that even with the harshest of treatment severe mechanical failure ought not to occur following thousands upon thousands of hours of development testing.

Sorry for being so late on this post.

It might be a rumer but who to say we should brush it off our shoulders as something false. These M-engines can pass thousands of hours in testing but somehow thay skim on costs to keep cheaper parts for the budget. I have herd this more than a few time. On top of that the M-Division has engine failures on file for
"exploding-engines" in the 2001-02 M3. Here is an example:

Kevlar04-14-2002, 05:36 PM
My two cents... M3 engines have been blowing up since day one. We know this, BMW knows this... and they aren't happy about it especially since they delayed the release of the car almost a year to supposedly fix this problem.

From what I understand of the engine... the problem is caused by a spun bearing, I personally know of one car that had the same problem that you are having (I think). He had the same problems you described, right before his engine blew up. The dealer gave him a hard time about it saying it was driver error... but after enough complaining, they offered to fix the problem. They tore the engine down, fixed it, and then put it back together. Downtime exceeded two weeks.

I think if you keep complaining that you should be able to get the engine repaired. I believe the problem stems from the problem that the crankshaft bearing in the car originated out of a 1984 325e which only spun to 4800rpm. Yes, they are using the same bearing in the new M3 engine which spins to 8000rpm. That may cause the problem from what I heard.

I know of at least one person personally that had this problem and have heard of at least 10 more. There are supposedly 4-5 of them sitting at the dealership here in S.Florida which the problem. In fact, one dealership tried to blame the problem of it being a user's fault overrev... until they found out the car was SMG.

They are so quick to blame it on the owner... I want a new M3, but all these hassles really makes me think twice.

---->> M3 engine blowing up [Archive] - Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum




Now, I`m not drawing conclusion in saying history will repeat itself with the new M5. This is just something to keep in mind imo.

 

[klier]

^^^ LOL, the saddest part is that you are probably serious.