Rumour Control. [bmw]

[Betty Swollocks]

I don't know, the list seems pretty fickle. A week ago, it was Z2 coupe and roadster, now it is Z8. I will believe when I see it.

To paraphrase Scott, and with reluctance, ENI, Creative Marketing provide the info. It's up to you to decide what's true or not. In other words, anything posted in here could be true, but it could also be nonsense. I hope that satisfies everybody.

 

[SKY]

Scott, will the new CS have any resemblance in design to the one debuted in 2007?.

 

[klier]

^ Even unchanged, it would be better looking than either Panamera or Rapide....just slightly boring because we know the car for so long already....

 

[SCOTT27]

You could never get bored with this?
YouTube - BMW CS

 

[chonkoa]

I will believe it when I see it.

 

[SCOTT27]

Scott, will the new CS have any resemblance in design to the one debuted in 2007?.

All I have seen is a sketch portaining the same silouhette but with the front utilising the "Layered surfacing" design language.

The Vision Efficient Dynamics Concept showcases the look for a four door sports coupe which will be based off the 6er , The Packaging inside with the two-plus-two passenger compartment portrays the interior concept for such a car.

BMW have been very clear that Vision Efficient Dynamics is not about one particular car. But is a hybrid of what to expect from the BMW brand in terms of design language , sustainability and aerodynamic solutions.
@ the IAA there is the opportunity to see the Three Cylinder diesel which will make it's debut along with a Three cylinder petrol in the next 1er.

And if you think some 1er's are a sustainable efficent car . Then wait till the 3 Cylinders arrive. To the question someone asked regarding why BMW did not work with it's four cylinders first regarding turbo charging was purely down to priority. Todays BMW four cylinder engines both petrol and diesel fulfill their requirements regarding emission targets.
Our previous six , eight and twelve cylinders were not , BMW concentrated on the six , eight and twelve first because the cars that were on the agenda were cars that would utilise these engines.
Four Cylinders are next.

Germany is out of recession and you will not see only from BMW but other manufacturers as they aim to capture buyers by offering new imaginative ideas within the luxury segment. That means some ideas that were placed on hiatus and postponed will begin development.

The strategy is that customers when the economy returns to normal some will want to spend money on a car , serious money perhaps and you have to look to the future to have such cars that customers would want.
CS had a huge following And BMW would like to do something emotional a real expression of freedom. A premium Roadster that would sit on top of the Z4 and Z2. After all we have an X6 then we have a X5,X3 and now X1. But the Z4 goes along individually that is why there is plans to top both ends of the Roadster segment.

The Z2 continues as BMW continues with it's compact offensive. But 2010 will bring three outstanding new models to BMW the F10 5er, The F12 6er and The new BMW X3 - A car that Mercedes-Benz and Audi are concerned about as overheard @ the IAA- simply because it's played the game, it knows what worked and what didnt. And they know that we have made sure that the new one eclipses the shortcomings of the E83. They are also concerned regarding the 5er and they should be.
It's a car that does everything right.

 

[Mr Robert]

To paraphrase Scott, and with reluctance, ENI, Creative Marketing provide the info. It's up to you to decide what's true or not. In other words, anything posted in here could be true, but it could also be nonsense. I hope that satisfies everybody.

The way I see it, we get a lot of information, at a very early stage. Things are bound to change over time and some things will not make it. I don't think there is any reason to get upset over the cancellation of something that we would never have known about in the first place, had it not been for CM.

 

[Mr Robert]

Scott, by the sound of all this, it seems like the time has come for all (some of) these glorious vanity projects. Procjects that we all knew were there, somewhere in the pipe, longing to see the dayligt.

 

[SKY]

Thank you so much for your long answer, but sorry again, What is exactly Layered surface? Are you telling us that the face of the CS will change for a more VED Concept based one?.

 

[klier]

I think that's what he said indeed.

 

[south]

To the question someone asked regarding why BMW did not work with it's four cylinders first regarding turbo charging was purely down to priority. Todays BMW four cylinder engines both petrol and diesel fulfill their requirements regarding emission targets.
Our previous six , eight and twelve cylinders were not , BMW concentrated on the six , eight and twelve first because the cars that were on the agenda were cars that would utilise these engines.
Four Cylinders are next.

Being that someone, I don't buy into this explanation. You're not seriously telling me that motor development can't develop 4 engines at a time? Furthermore, it wasn't necessary (as to emission targets) to bring out the N55 before the introduction of the Four cylinders.
That nice red M3 who was mistaken for a CSL showed up in 2007, quite some time if you ask me.


Best regards,
south

 

[Betty Swollocks]

The way I see it, we get a lot of information, at a very early stage. Things are bound to change over time and some things will not make it. I don't think there is any reason to get upset over the cancellation of something that we would never have known about in the first place, had it not been for CM.

Well, I'm not really talking about decisions which get changed but the comment (can't find where it is now) that CM deliberately put false information out there to throw people and other manufacturers off the scent. I understand why they do it. I'm just saying the fact that they DO do it means you have to take anything CM or ENI says with a pinch of salt. So that list might mean nothing at the end of the day.

 

[Mr Robert]

I'm just saying the fact that they DO do it means you have to take anything CM or ENI says with a pinch of salt. So that list might mean nothing at the end of the day.

Most things taste better with a little salt. So, that is fine with me

Everything on that list might be gonners by the end of next week, but there might be something in there that is going to be presented at a later stage, in which case we will have been some of the first outsiders to know. That is sweet.

Information is king.

 

[bmer]

Being that someone, I don't buy into this explanation. You're not seriously telling me that motor development can't develop 4 engines at a time?

Developing I4-, I6-, V8- & V12-engine families at the same time sounds like lot to me. Furthermore the 4-cylinder engines still seem very competitive at the moment at least to me. If you compare them with closest competitors (Audi & MB) they only lack turbocharged I4 petrol engines. But honestly I'd much rather choose BMW's excellent I6 with CO2 figure of 170 g/100 than Audi's 2.0 TFSI with 167 g/100 km.
BMW's NA I4-petrol engines have one of the lowest fuel consumption / CO2 figures in the whole industry and still put out respective power figures. The I4-diesels are perhaps even more impressive. 20d has higher power output than Audi's 2.0 TDI and 23d matches Mercedes' 250 CDI in power. I don't think you can really complain much.

 

[rollo]

Everything on that list might be gonners by the end of next week

Information is king.[/quote]


We all understand that development plans are fluid. But this impression would suggest complete anarchy and with any substantial company it just isn't so.

 

[martinbo]

In my opinion Research and Development is a very precise and meticulous undertaking.

Marketing, on the other hand, is complete anarchy.

 

[rollo]

In my opinion Research and Development is a very precise and meticulous undertaking.

Marketing, on the other hand, is complete anarchy.

That's why I used the word development in my response.

Marketing as it relates to CM, concept spin, new product introduction, brand management and alike, absolutely agree very fluid and hard to follow from the outside.

New product development (including concept cars), just isn't that fluid.

 

[south]

Developing I4-, I6-, V8- & V12-engine families at the same time sounds like lot to me. Furthermore the 4-cylinder engines still seem very competitive at the moment at least to me. If you compare them with closest competitors (Audi & MB) they only lack turbocharged I4 petrol engines. But honestly I'd much rather choose BMW's excellent I6 with CO2 figure of 170 g/100 than Audi's 2.0 TFSI with 167 g/100 km.
BMW's NA I4-petrol engines have one of the lowest fuel consumption / CO2 figures in the whole industry and still put out respective power figures. The I4-diesels are perhaps even more impressive. 20d has higher power output than Audi's 2.0 TDI and 23d matches Mercedes' 250 CDI in power. I don't think you can really complain much.

I think I can. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I know for a fact that BMW has been working on turbocharged 4 cylinder petrol engines for more than 2 years. Besides, they didn't work on engine "familes", it's rather one I6 TT (with the N55 already being the successor), one V8 TT (not counting the ///M, completely different department) and one V12 TT. Speaking of the latter two engines, they're not exactly what I would call volume models. So, whatever the reasoning behind this move was, it can't be priority. I'd rather say that BMW wanted to stretch the life of the (somewhat lame) DI NA 4 cylinder petrol engines to make up for the development costs. They were introducing spray guided DI engines somewhat prematurely and now are returning to older tech engines. This translates into huge development costs that didn't amortize. But I suppose that wouldn't sound as good as the priority card.


Best regards,
south

 

[JadeVetti]

There's hope for the CS!.

Knew BMW couldn't just toss such a lovely creature to the grind.

If it's slated for 2012, sounds like they never took a break to begin with. That was about the initial plan.