RS3 vs 1M Coupe (likes and dislikes)

[footie]

^ I championed the use of the tii badging, feeling it better suited the spec. I don't think that if BMW had called it 135tii or something similar that anyone would be complaining the way they have been over the use of a non M-Division engine.

P.S.
I happen to agree with you Sunny that this engine is grand and shall do good service in the 1M but I'm with donkeykong in that it's not as special as the RS unit, maybe it's the engine note that reminds so much of those days in the forests listening to their rally cars but it pulls on the heartstrings that no N54 ever could. Also it's an engine of character, not something that does it's work in silence.

Drive the TT-RS and you instantly know the engine is a very big part of the overall experience, just like it is with the RS4/5/6 and the M3/5/6, but drive the 335i and all you notice is a well balanced car with a smooth engine. Hardly the same experience which is why the Audi engine is more special and unique.

 

[Sunny]

As for engine noise, with turbo engines, the noise almost mostly depends on the exhaust. It is only normal 335 which is a normal car has a more silent exhaust than a RS. Does 1M sound better than 335? I don't know, I sure hope so since it has a new exhaust. But as far as numbers go, there is nothing between the 2 engines. The TT RS unit isn't even weigh much lighter - 183kg vs 188kg. The only significant difference is 1M unit has an overboost function and while TT RS unit has a broader torque curve, N54 delivers it little earlier.

The irony of the whole "oh it doesn't have a M engine" is that, BMW is being faulted for having a normal engine in the parts bin that is competitive with a "special" engine that the competition has to offer.

 

[footie]

The irony of the whole "oh it doesn't have a M engine" is that, BMW is being faulted for having a normal engine in the parts bin that is competitive with a "special" engine that the competition has to offer.

Yeah, an engine that's 500cc smaller, has half the number of turbos and yet produces it's hp and torque over a wider and higher rev band. In other words it is that bit more special.

 

[Sunny]

Yeah, an engine that's 500cc smaller, has half the number of turbos and yet produces it's hp and torque over a wider and higher rev band. In other words it is that bit more special.

The tangible advantage of being 500cc smaller, and 1 less cylinder and one turbo would be weight, yet TT RS engine does't weight much lighter than N54, so, it kind of defeats the purpose. On the other hand N54 is more responsive, probably cause it has two smaller turbos and an extra cylinder (at 1000 rpm it is making about 320NM vs TT RS's only 260NM), makes it's max torque at a lower rpm, makes 50 more NM on demand and it even revs higher than the TT RS engine.

ps. there is one significant area where the TT RS engine is actually better, but knowing your ignorance when it comes to cars, especially Audis, I doubt you know what it is.

 

[Zafiro]

I love this photo. Looks so muscular

 

[footie]

Yeah, it's a heck of a lot more aggressive looking than even than the M3. I love the orange but want to see it in White with M decal strips.

 

[Tumbo]

I love this photo. Looks so muscular

To me it looks lite a person who has way to much leg-muscles, and forgot to work on his upper body.. if you get what Im saying.

 

[Tumbo]

 

[Zafiro]

To me it looks lite a person who has way to much leg-muscles, and forgot to work on his upper body.. if you get what Im saying.

LoL I get what you are saying. It's just the angle of the photo because both front and rear is just as wide.

 

[footie]

It does look very good this new 1M coupe.



Well that is until you compare it to a similar sized RS Coupe.

 

[Zafiro]

It does look very good this new 1M coupe.


Well that is until you compare it to a similar sized RS Coupe.

Well I prefer Z4 over TT.
I just wish they gave the same suspension/brake/diff treatment to Z4 35is like they did with 1M.

 

[Mr Robert]

It does look very good this new 1M coupe.



Well that is until you compare it to a similar sized RS Coupe.

The TT-RS is really tame compared to the 1M.

 

[footie]

^ Each to their own, I personally love the TT, I loved the original and felt the Mk2 improved on it and made it more manly. But without seeing the 1M in the fresh it's really hard to give an honest opinion, it's definitely far better looking than the 1er coupe (sorry guys if you happen to own one).

I will say that it does look more special than how the RS3 looks, though that's not a bad thing for the RS3 because it will be the perfect sleeper to surprise those guys in their fancy coupes that think they're invincible.

P.S.
In BMW's hands (I think) the 1M has lapped the N-ring in 8:12, a v/g time indeed though let's not get too carried away, Sportauto have already bettered that by 3 seconds in the TT-RS and it's normal for development drivers to be upwards on 9 seconds quicker than magazine drivers. Audi usually don't release such information preferring the likes of Sportauto to release their own findings so I guess we will have to wait and see how both the RS3 and 1M do when they finally get their 'Supertest' but the fact that each are priced identically and have the same outputs I think it's fair to say that respective lap times will be splitting hairs.

 

[Tumbo]

The TT-RS is really tame compared to the 1M.

In your opinion maybe... To me.. the TT-RS is MUCH MUCH MUCH more aggressive then the baby 1M.

 

[Zafiro]

TT has more agressive headlights but it doesnt have the stance and beefy muscles like 1M. BMW really nailed the design with that bodykit and wide fenders. And those CLS wheels are the hottest wheels on the planet.

 

[footie]

Anything that posts sub 4.0s and 15.0s runs to 100km/h and 200km/h respectively is truly special. The TT-RS punches well and truly above it's weight.

Anyone want to guess how an extra 100kg will affect the RS3's times?

 

[Zafiro]

In BMW's hands (I think) the 1M has lapped the N-ring in 8:12, a v/g time indeed though let's not get too carried away, Sportauto have already bettered that by 3 seconds in the TT-RS and it's normal for development drivers to be upwards on 9 seconds quicker than magazine drivers.

TT has lower center of gravity so of course the handling is better. Give Z4 a fixed roof and real M treatment and it would smoke the 1M (previous Z4M Coupé did it in 8.12 min). Still hate BMW for not bringing a M-version. But I like it when you try to bring the TT-RS into this thread when its actually about RS3 and 1M. Almost sounds like you given up on the RS3

The future battle is between TT-RS and upcoming SLK AMG, those are the true condenders.

 

[footie]

^ Not at all, it's BMW that views the TT-RS as it's direct rival along with the Cayman S. That was my reasoning for including it in the discussion and I fully understand their thinking because both are two door coupes, but based on price and performance it's probably closer to the RS3 though I don't genuinely see these two cars competing for the same customers.

 

[Zafiro]

^ Not at all, it's BMW that views the TT-RS as it's direct rival along with the Cayman S. That was my reasoning for including it in the discussion and I fully understand their thinking because both are two door coupes, but based on price and performance it's probably closer to the RS3 though I don't genuinely see these two cars competing for the same customers.

BMW do/say a lot of stupid things. Doesnt mean they're right nonetheless, this is RS3 vs 1M thread, a title you created

 

[footie]

BMW do a lot of stupid things. Doesnt mean they're right

I take it we are talking about the engine again.