Vs RS3 vs 1M Coupe (likes and dislikes)

[footie]

Didn't you read the press release or something?? The M1 has some serious M goodies man!! Like the whole frikking M3 rear axle for example...

I think Just_Me's complaint isn't the stuff they have got right but the stuff they haven't. In his and manys opinion the engine should have been unique, or at the very least more unique than it is, maybe Scott could enlighten us to it's differences but to many reading the spec it appears that this engine is the same as used in the iS models (i.e. non M models), plus standard 1er seats is something that shouldn't have happened.

The problem is that some expect the interior to offer uniqueness as much as the outside, exterior wise the 1M delivers extremely well but on the interior it's only lifted by a few badges, dials, a steering wheel and stitching.

 

[footie]

Prices are identical between the RS3 and 1M but is it known whether spec is identical, if rumours are correct that SatNav and Bluetooth are cost extras on the 1M then on this occasion the rivalling RS will be better value for money as not only will both these items add at least £2k to it's RRP but the Audi has DSG standard, another item that cost is considerable regardless of the fact it's not even an option.

P.S.

On the subject of the 1M's engine and everything else, I have a theory as to the naming of the 1M and why it hasn't followed the traditional path of other M cars (including it's name). A few (rightly or wrongly) feel the 1M isn't an M car without a unique engine, maybe it was BMW intent not to originally name it the M at all. Maybe they intended to make a 135iS but what they ended up with was something much better than that and dare I say a bit to close to the M3 for comfort to not be called an M proper?

 

[Zafiro]

No prices are official in Sweden yet. But Coupés are more expensive than 4-doors here. It costs more to get two doors less. 1M Hatchback would cost less than the Coupé for sure, if the car existed.

 

[klier]

I think Just_Me's complaint isn't the stuff they have got right but the stuff they haven't.

The whole car is a million times more right than the RS3 ever will be
Everything I mean, including the 'non M' engine. Better than anything Audi has ever made so far.

 

[footie]

The whole car is a million times more right than the RS3 ever will be
Everything I mean, including the 'non M' engine.

I respect your opinion, though I hope you don't mind that I respectfully disagree with it.

Better than anything Audi has ever made so far.

If nothing else you are entertaining.

 

[Giannis]

The whole car is a million times more right than the RS3 ever will be
Everything I mean, including the 'non M' engine. Better than anything Audi has ever made so far.

Don't be so sure about that klier. Just because it has an M badge, it doesn't mean that it's as good as an M3.

First of all, it lacks the most important thing. A proper M engine. A mass-market N54 with the remap found in the 335is and Z4 sDrive35is is just not enough in a car with an M badge.

Also, you mentioned this:

The M1 has some serious M goodies man!! Like the whole frikking M3 rear axle for example...

What does it mean that it has the M3 rear axle? If you took the 335is and added the M3 rear axle, would it be a car worthe of the name M3? Or would it still lack a proper M engine? Also, what if the M3 was a 335is with the M3 rear axle and had the standard seats? Would it be enough for you?

I think it's pretty obvious that the 1M is not a proper M car, but a half M car. It lacks half of the things that make an M car great. Like the engine. It should be named 1/2M or 0.5M

 

[footie]

^ what do you think of my opinion that BMW originally intended this car to be called the 135iS but for some reason or another it got re-badged up to an M. I don't think we will ever know the complete story of this car's development but the lack of some of the finer things which separate an M car from the rest of the BMW range like an engine does leave an air of mystery about it.

Still should be a great car none the less.

 

[Giannis]

^ what do you think of my opinion that BMW originally intended this car to be called the 135iS but for some reason or another it got re-badged up to an M. I don't think we will ever know the complete story of this car's development but the lack of some of the finer things which separate an M car from the rest of the BMW range like an engine does leave an air of mystery about it.

Still should be a great car none the less.

I am sure that the handling will be more than perfect and the car will be a joy to ride. My biggest complain is the engine.

Anyway, about the issue with the name. I guess it was for marketing reasons. You can't blame them for that. BMW is a company and seeks profit, like everyone else. It would be the logical thing to do.

On the other hand and as a BMW fan, I see this 1M as a half M car. I don't care about the time or badget the M engineers had. I am a supporter of the "do it right, or don't do it at all" philosophy. And if they decided to sell a half finished 1M, then why not name it 135iS? It worked with the Z4. Or maybe it didn't and that's why they slapped an M badge on it.

Who knows...

 

[footie]

I am sure that the handling will be more than perfect and the car will be a joy to ride. My biggest complain is the engine.

Anyway, about the issue with the name. I guess it was for marketing reasons. You can't blame them for that. BMW is a company and seeks profit, like everyone else. It would be the logical thing to do.

On the other hand and as a BMW fan, I see this 1M as a half M car. I don't care about the time or badget the M engineers had. I am a supporter of the "do it right, or don't do it at all" philosophy. And if they decided to sell a half finished 1M, then why not name it 135iS? It worked with the Z4. Or maybe it didn't and that's why they slapped an M badge on it.

Who knows...

By all accounts I reckon the Z4iS is a great little car and the same is true for the 335iS. I don't think the badge would lessen or improve the car's ability, but it would allow them to charge slighty more than they could otherwise have asked.

P.S.
By your comments and some comments from some other respected members I wonder are BMW reconsidering using this engine as the basis for the next M3? As it's a car they definitely wouldn't want to Fu@k up with similar complaints.

 

[Giannis]

P.S.
By your comments and some comments from some other respected members I wonder are BMW reconsidering using this engine as the basis for the next M3? As it's a car they definitely wouldn't want to Fu@k up with similar complaints.

To be honest, I have absolutely no idea about the next M3 engine

 

[DeDe]

RS3:
Likes: -quattro, -everyday usability, -interior, -S-tronic
Dislikes: -look

1 M:
Likes: -track-abilities (surely it will be great)
Dislikes: -look


For the track: 1 M
For everyday use: RS3

So. Both for me

 

[footie]

To be honest, I have absolutely no idea about the next M3 engine

I am only referring to comments from both Scott and South regarding this engine will form the basis for the next M3.

 

[south]

I am only referring to comments from both Scott and South regarding this engine will form the basis for the next M3.

Nope, we both mentioned that -- as of now -- the M3 engine will be based on the N55.


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

Nope, we both mentioned that -- as of now -- the M3 engine will be based on the N55.


Best regards,
south

Thanks, for clarification on that. I thought originally it was mentioned that the two shared engines but I must have been wrong.

South as you are privy to inside BMW info, considering the negative comments relating to the 1M's engine (which I don't fully agree with) do you feel that BMW will not make the same mistake with the M3 and instead radically alter the N55 and all importantly re-name it?

 

[Levi68]

Now that the M1 is official here is my edit:

RS3:
+ RS engine
1(35)M:
- not M engine

For me the M1 could be the best car, but I am not ready to pay 50.500 € for an M car without engine. Where can I then get an engine? And what about regulations/homologation/waranty....?

If the next M3 F32 gets a similar engine, then I am rather going to think of an M6 F13, knowing the engine even turbo, was really developed by M GmbH and is so a true M engine.

 

[Sunny]

Now that the M1 is official here is my edit:

RS3:
+ RS engine
1(35)M:
- not M engine

For me the M1 could be the best car, but I am not ready to pay 50.500 € for an M car without engine. Where can I then get an engine? And what about regulations/homologation/waranty....?

If the next M3 F32 gets a similar engine, then I am rather going to think of an M6 F13, knowing the engine even turbo, was really developed by M GmbH and is so a true M engine.

So 2 engines could have the exact same specs and one is good cause it has 'RS' label and the other is not cause it doesn't have 'M' label?

 

[donkeykong]

The whole car is a million times more right than the RS3 ever will be
Everything I mean, including the 'non M' engine. Better than anything Audi has ever made so far.

way better!

 

[donkeykong]

^ what do you think of my opinion that BMW originally intended this car to be called the 135iS but for some reason or another it got re-badged up to an M. I don't think we will ever know the complete story of this car's development but the lack of some of the finer things which separate an M car from the rest of the BMW range like an engine does leave an air of mystery about it.

Still should be a great car none the less.

Yeah, but then you get no cool body kit.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

The 1M Coupe is simply obscenely delicious ! While I have a strong affinity for the Audi marque in general, no RS3 could appeal to me as much as the 1M does. Damned be the practicality of a Sportback. The outrageous little 1M coupe pushes all of the right buttons for me.
Perhaps it is because, as a far younger man, I aspired to own that elusive 2002tii with an Alpina stage 1 (public road compatible) tuning package. The 2002 Turbo was too in your face for me (as well as most other potential buyers-see 1973-74 OPEC embargo/energy crisis) at the time.

The 1M is a more than worthy successor. How about one in that crazy Jägermeister Orange color ?

 

[Sunny]

The 1M Coupe is simply obscenely delicious ! While I have a strong affinity for the Audi marque in general, no RS3 could appeal to me as much as the 1M does. Damned be the practicality of a Sportback. The outrageous little 1M coupe pushes all of the right buttons for me.
Perhaps it is because, as a far younger man, I aspired to own that elusive 2002tii with an Alpina stage 1 (public road compatible) tuning package. The 2002 Turbo was too in your face for me (as well as most other potential buyers-see 1973-74 OPEC embargo/energy crisis) at the time.

The 1M is a more than worthy successor. How about one in that crazy Jägermeister Orange color ?

Funny you should mention 2002turbo. I was just thinking they should have used that and not E30 M3 to market this car.

I am not the person to care much about what something is called and I really don't mind the "1M" though it sounds more like post-it note than a car. But everything about this car just makes much more sense as a successor to 2002turbo than E30 M3 - the turbo engine which makes strangely makes exactly twice as much power as 2002turbo (340hp vs 170hp), the aggressively flared fenders that look like the ones on 2002 turbo and nothing like the ones on E30 M3, the faux vent mimicking the strips in 2002turbo, the orange color - though strictly speaking it is 2002tii and not 2002turbo that made the orange famous, but whatever considering it has almost nothing in common with E30 M3. They could have called it 135tii or something and saved all this whining and bitching about the car not having an M engine. And it would have been perfect launch pad for a sub M brand. Heck they could have even used a single exhaust and saved some weight with out people bitching about how a true M should have quad exhausts.