E-Class (W214) [Renders] Next generation E-Class (W214)

[SCOTT27]

Funny enough launch is like every other E-Klasse ahead of the G60 5er.
Although this is the first official public spy shots.
These prototypes undergo internal testing on private test tracks ahead of public testing. Internally these have done a substantial amount of evaluation before we see them now.

 

[Merc1]

Does it honestly make a difference? Mercedes' platforms are all over the place and don't differ enough from one to the other IMO.


M

 

[Serpens]

Does it honestly make a difference? Mercedes' platforms are all over the place and don't differ enough from one to the other IMO.


M

Their platform strategy seems coherent to me (MFA II, moving to MRA II, MSA, MHA, G-wagen on the ICE side) and apparently there's enough difference that they bothered making the distinction. Along with the usual rigidity improvements, safety improvements, etc. there's also the fact that moving this to the newest platform increases the amount of shared parts with other vehicles in production and makes the implementation of new technology far easier. Perhaps you're commenting on the lack of visual difference vs. what's underneath?

 

[Merc1]

Their platform strategy seems coherent to me (MFA II, moving to MRA II, MSA, MHA, G-wagen on the ICE side) and apparently there's enough difference that they bothered making the distinction. Along with the usual rigidity improvements, safety improvements, etc. there's also the fact that moving this to the newest platform increases the amount of shared parts with other vehicles in production and makes the implementation of new technology far easier. Perhaps you're commenting on the lack of visual difference vs. what's underneath?

I don't see much change underneath. It's all the same Mercedes hardware really. MFA, MRA, MSA, etc it's all mush IMO. I get that tech advances and that is the main reason why, but the hardware is stuck in place IMO.

M

 

[PHYBENZ]

I just wish the classic grill wasn’t gone, especially when looking at the ugly/cheap looking EQ “panel”

 

[Ghost1]

Let me guess, this thing will get almost the the same interior as the S/C-class with a stupid driver's screen?

MB designers, please take a look at the new RR and probably you will get an idea how to make good looking cars.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Promises to be "conservatively handsome".

Surprised to see it actually. Stuttgart-Untertürkheim is delivering some rather confusing mixed signals. Will this steal the EQEs' fire ? Or will the EQE render this utterly superfluous from the very beginning ? I can't imagine a truly sustainable (meaning more than 4-5 years) co-existence. "F***ing 'ell ! What's going on ?"

Market dependent. Some markets are simply not ready to support a high volume of EV's.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

I’m glad there’s still a proper E class coming.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

You're clearly keen on the switch to EV's, but do you honestly think now is the right time to put all eggs in one basket?

Well, I do believe that I mentioned "4-5 years" in terms of the sustainability of an "W214/EQE Tandem". And yes, the concept of electric powertrains fascinate me. I've been passionate about automobiles as long as I can remember. Especially those with twin-cam 4s', flat 4s' and 6s', il6s', V8s', V10s' and V12s' and pretty much all else that ingested fossil fuels. Loved the noises they made, the scents they emitted. They'll remain etched in my memories after the very last of the ones' recently developed are submerged in the tarpits of automobiledom. I reckon that time will come by the end of the 2020s'.

but I'll never understand the impatience.

You're one member of vast legions, I suppose. Personally, I suspect that we'll be witnessing the domination of dedicated BEV powertrains much sooner than many currently predict. Maybe I'll still be around when the last recently assembled ICE automobiles will be staring at the above mentioned tarpits. I'll be happy to discuss it with you if and when that time comes-should I still be around, of course.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

The w214 e class should be due in January 2021?

 

[BMW3GT]

^You mean Jan '22 I assume?

I dont see it being revealed until the end of the next year.

 

[Serpens]

I don't see much change underneath. It's all the same Mercedes hardware really. MFA, MRA, MSA, etc it's all mush IMO. I get that tech advances and that is the main reason why, but the hardware is stuck in place IMO.

M

Sorry to beleaguer the subject, but what you even saying with this post? It's massively vague. What hardware is stuck in place? What are you expecting from platform evolutions? Square wheels? These extremely flexible platforms are all about using a common "toolkit" that allows them to leverage scale as much as possible. Things definitely change underneath- it's no different than what most other manufacturers are doing from one flexible platform generation to the next (i.e. Audi's MLB > MLB Evo).

 

[SKY]

Even with the camo looks quite good.

Night and day comparing it with the EQEgg.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

In any event, it appears that M-B will be throwing quite the "MRA-2 Final Hurrah Party" with the W/S 214 E-Class and C/A 236 CLE 2 doors. And innuendo continues to linger regarding a possible CLS-succeeding 4 door CLE sedoupe.

 

[Merc1]

Sorry to beleaguer the subject, but what you even saying with this post? It's massively vague. What hardware is stuck in place? What are you expecting from platform evolutions? Square wheels? These extremely flexible platforms are all about using a common "toolkit" that allows them to leverage scale as much as possible. Things definitely change underneath- it's no different than what most other manufacturers are doing from one flexible platform generation to the next (i.e. Audi's MLB > MLB Evo).

I mean what are you saying with this post? Nothing IMO. I don’t see any difference with Mercedes’ platforms is what I’m saying. MRA to MFA to whatever it’s the same shit really. They remove their best suspension systems and tbh you can’t tell which car rides on what platform because it’s all the same. Thats what I’m saying.

M

 

[Serpens]

I mean what are you saying with this post? Nothing IMO. I don’t see any difference with Mercedes’ platforms is what I’m saying. MRA to MFA to whatever it’s the same shit really. They remove their best suspension systems and tbh you can’t tell which car rides on what platform because it’s all the same. Thats what I’m saying.

M

I think the questions in my post were clear. I was stating that I don't understand what you were trying to convey. Quite frankly saying MRA to MFA is the "same shit" is bizarre considering one is a FWD transverse platform and the other is longitudinal RWD. So let me be very clear about what this post is saying: I don't feel that you know what you're talking about at all. The suspension setup can stay the same from one platform generation to the next but the materials (a biggie), hardpoints, rigidity, safety structures, degree of flexibility (another biggie) are all major changes that make a big difference in cost and scalability. The end result may be that you can't feel the difference but that doesn't mean there aren't major changes underneath. To me, nothing highlights the difference between one platform generation to the next more than MFA > MFA II. The MFA II vehicles drive far better and Mercedes closed the gap between their FWD vehicles and VWAG's MQB vehicles.

 

[Merc1]

I think the questions in my post were clear. I was stating that I don't understand what you were trying to convey. Quite frankly saying MRA to MFA is the "same shit" is bizarre considering one is a FWD transverse platform and the other is longitudinal RWD. So let me be very clear about what this post is saying: I don't feel that you know what you're talking about at all. The suspension setup can stay the same from one platform generation to the next but the materials (a biggie), hardpoints, rigidity, safety structures, degree of flexibility (another biggie) are all major changes that make a big difference in cost and scalability. The end result may be that you can't feel the difference but that doesn't mean there aren't major changes underneath. To me, nothing highlights the difference between one platform generation to the next more than MFA > MFA II. The MFA II vehicles drive far better and Mercedes closed the gap between their FWD vehicles and VWAG's MQB vehicles.

I'm talking about their platforms in general. They aren't doing anything from one to next that shows anything different. Doesn't matter if it's MRA to MFA, it's the same platform as before it, just enhanced is what I'm saying. I didn't mean that MFA was the same as MRA, I'm saying that whatever they replaced is the same thing over and over. So if you feel I don't know what I'm talking about, that's fine, I feel like you aren't saying anything here at all. This whole platform nonsense is becoming marketing BS as Mercedes isn't developing new from the ground up vehicles much anymore on the ICE side anyways. It's all the same shit.

M

 

[Serpens]

I'm talking about their platforms in general. They aren't doing anything from one to next that shows anything different. Doesn't matter if it's MRA to MFA, it's the same platform as before it, just enhanced is what I'm saying. I didn't mean that MFA was the same as MRA, I'm saying that whatever they replaced is the same thing over and over. So if you feel I don't know what I'm talking about, that's fine, I feel like you aren't saying anything here at all. This whole platform nonsense is becoming marketing BS as Mercedes isn't developing new from the ground up vehicles much anymore on the ICE side anyways. It's all the same shit.

M

I've said plenty, you're just being defensive. Your original post of Mercedes' platforms being "all over the place" does not speak to what you just said in this quoted post. With these flexible architectures, once gen 1 is in place they will rarely abandon the entire toolkit approach from generation to generation and this will apply to EVs as well. The next-gen MB.EA platform for example is just an evolution of EVA2 with many of the current compromises addressed. It's not marketing BS as much as how they approach making vehicle platforms has changed.

Unlike in the past, they change a lot of underlying structure with each generation even if it's an evolution vs. a clean sheet approach, hence why they even bother calling it a new platform. It's actually pretty cool how they continue to optimize these architectures with topology optimization and advanced computational power.

 

[Merc1]

I've said plenty, you're just being defensive. Your original post of Mercedes' platforms being "all over the place" does not speak to what you just said in this quoted post. With these flexible architectures, once gen 1 is in place they will rarely abandon the entire toolkit approach from generation to generation and this will apply to EVs as well. The next-gen MB.EA platform for example is just an evolution of EVA2 with many of the current compromises addressed. It's not marketing BS as much as how they approach making vehicle platforms has changed.

Unlike in the past, they change a lot of underlying structure with each generation even if it's an evolution vs. a clean sheet approach, hence why they even bother calling it a new platform. It's actually pretty cool how they continue to optimize these architectures with topology optimization and advanced computational power.

I’m not being defensive about about anything. I don’t see much being done for all these to be new platforms so far. That’s my take on it. Now when they get into EVs completely the advancements will be clearer. From S-Class to the next I don’t see much of anything being advanced. What you’re saying here is that it’s just a revision of the same old thing not something totally new. It’s marketing not fundamental change.

M

 

[Serpens]

I’m not being defensive about about anything. I don’t see much being done for all these to be new platforms so far. That’s my take on it. Now when they get into EVs completely the advancements will be clearer. From S-Class to the next I don’t see much of anything being advanced. What you’re saying here is that it’s just a revision of the same old thing not something totally new. It’s marketing not fundamental change.

M

Disagree, but that's OK. What I've gathered here is that you cannot elaborate on what quantifies as "advancements" and things that you have decided as not substantial are just "marketing", despite providing no criteria for what is a fundamental change. Calling it marketing is a bit of a joke anyways as manufacturers most prominently talk about new "generations" and leave the platform talk for the car nerds and journalists. I'll leave this topic alone now, back to the W214 for me .