Hot! Porsche: What's Next

[AndreB]

For most people, the Taycan is soulless, especially compared to a 911.

Both are great in their own way, the 911 is a true sports car.
Taycan is a better road car. Way more comfortable, silent, seamless, and also powerful. Best EV on the track, too.

 

[Design FIRST]

Both are great in their own way, the 911 is a true sports car.
Taycan is a better road car. Way more comfortable, silent, seamless, and also powerful. Best EV on the track, too.

A 992.2 GT3 Touring along with a facelifted Taycan 4S Sport Turismo would pretty much be the dream garage for me.

 

[Sunny]

All I really want, and need, is a 718 GTS 4.0 as the replacement for my beloved 981.

Do it! . If/when a ICE 718 comes agin, I bet it won't be a 4.0 NA.

Electric 718? No thank you!

But what if it could deliver the same experience as a 4.0? Would the fact it is not ICE bother you?

Porsche dealers tried to convince 911 drivers to move to the Taycan,

I think you are just making stuff up. 911 is the most profitable car Porsche sells, It makes no sense to try and replace it with something less profitable.

 

[Swissbob]

You are just making stuff up. 911 is the most profitable car Porsche sells, It makes no sense to try and replace it with something less profitable.

Nope, maybe it’s only in Switzerland the case, because they need to reduce the emissions of the fleet.

Porsche( and all other car companies)must pay 140$/g CO2 over the limit (93.6g/km).

The new 992.2 Turbo S produces 262g/CO2/km the difference to the limit is 168g x 140$=

Penalty 23520$/Car.

Yes that’s insane.

If they sell more Taycan they can compensate it.

 

[Matski]

Yes that’s insane.

It's also not correct.

It's based on the fleet average, and the target is set by manufacturer pool. What an individual model exceeds the target by doesn't set the fine that model incurs...

... but fundamentally, yes. More Taycans means less chance of fines.

edit:

Further, Porsche has a target fleet wide 134.8g, they were achieving 174.5g. However, they're in Pool P11, which is effectively the VW group, who has a target of 121g, and are achieving 118g as a pool.

 

[Swissbob]

It's also not correct.

It's based on the fleet average, and the target is set by manufacturer pool. What an individual model exceeds the target by doesn't set the fine that model incurs...

... but fundamentally, yes. More Taycans means less chance of fines.

edit:

Further, Porsche has a target fleet wide 134.8g, they were achieving 174.5g. However, they're in Pool P11, which is effectively the VW group, who has a target of 121g, and are achieving 118g as a pool.

Thank you very much for your corrections

Edit: In Switzerland their fleet is currently at 113g CO2/km. With a target of 93.6gCO2/km.

WLTP-Tests für Porsche Fahrzeuge

Alle neuen Porsche Modelle durchlaufen die WLTP-Tests für Emissions- und Kraftstoffverbrauch.

www-porsche-com.translate.goog

It’s the last sentence on the page.

© 2025 Porsche Switzerland.Imprint and Legal Notices. Data Privacy Notice. Cookie Policy. Whistleblower System. Open Source Software Notice. EU Data Act

* The stated consumption and emission figures were determined according to the legally prescribed WLTP measurement procedure. The Worldwide Harmonized Light Vehicles Test Procedure (WLTP) for passenger cars and light commercial vehicles is a more realistic test procedure for measuring fuel consumption and CO₂ emissions. The values vary depending on the optional equipment selected. Further information regarding the WLTP measurement procedure can be found atwww.porsche.com/wltp.

The average CO₂ emissions of all new cars sold in Switzerland is 113 g/km. CO₂ target value according to the WLTP test cycle: 93.6 g/km

** Important information on the all-electric Porsche models can be foundhere

 

[Matski]

Edit: In Switzerland their fleet is currently at 113g CO2/km. With a target of 93.6gCO2/km

I believe that is the national fleet, not Porsche's. BMW and Mercedes include the same text.

But yeah, I do keep forgetting the Switzerland isn't quite the EU.

 

[Swissbob]

I believe that is the national fleet, not Porsche's. BMW and Mercedes include the same text.

But yeah, I do keep forgetting the Switzerland isn't quite the EU.

That’s probably the reason, they have their own limits. Unfortunately.

May be they’re not in a pool together with VW in Switzerland.

 

[Matski]

That’s probably the reason, they have their own limits. Unfortunately.

May be they’re not in a pool together with VW in Switzerland.

Not sure, but a quick google shows that Switzerland, whilst maybe setting it's own target still uses/used the moronic methodology that the EU do...

... where it's based on weight, so the more cars Porsche sells that weigh more than 1767kg, the higher their emissions can be.

 

[Sunny]

Not sure, but a quick google shows that Switzerland, whilst maybe setting it's own target still uses/used the moronic methodology that the EU do...

... where it's based on weight, so the more cars Porsche sells that weigh more than 1767kg, the higher their emissions can be.

That is so ass backwards, it is not even in the realm of unintended bad consequences of good intentions, but just straight up malpractice.

 

[martinbo]

Do it! . If/when a ICE 718 comes agin, I bet it won't be a 4.0 NA.

Working on it... I need to pay off my house first.
I have little hope for what the next iteration of ICE 718 will be powered by. As far as I can tell, based on what's been reported in the media, the only 718 ICE models will be top-end RS ones.
I'd be very surprised if the 9A2 4.0 lives on beyond 982.

But what if it could deliver the same experience as a 4.0? Would the fact it is not ICE bother you?

But it just won't - it can't give you natural induction or exhaust noise.
It can't weigh 300 kg less and give you that feeling of agility that only lightness can bring.
In short, my good friend, I don't want the experience of any EV* - no matter how synthesised to deliver an "authentic" experience.
I want what you have: a GT4 RS. More than anything. But that's never going to happen - so GTS 4.0 is where I'm aiming.

* For sporty & enthusiast driving scenarios. I am dead keen on an EV for daily use.

 

[klier]

... where it's based on weight, so the more cars Porsche sells that weigh more than 1767kg, the higher their emissions can be.

Absolutely insane. Should be the other way around.

 

[Big Sam]

That is so ass backwards, it is not even in the realm of unintended bad consequences of good intentions, but just straight up malpractice.

Absolutely insane. Should be the other way around.

Isn't it just to allow for the fact that zero emission vehicles are generally heavier than ICEs? There are consequences to heavy vehicles on infrastructure, sure, but if your overwhelming aim is to reduce emissions then you have to accept that.

I just had a letter from the RDW (the motoring authority in the Netherlands) to say the road tax on my Macan will be increasing significantly from the 1st January. One year ago, EVs are charged zero rate road tax. From 1st January this year, EVs are charged 25% of the equivalent ICE road tax. From 1st January next year, it will be either 70% or 75%. The issue is, there are two elements which influence how much you pay. One is the region of the Netherlands in which you live. The second is the weight of the vehicle. So EVs will be punished quite hard when it inevitably goes to 100% of the ICE rate.

So road tax for the Macan has gone from €0, to €1,476 per year, in 12-months, and it won't stop there. Insane.

Not asking for sympathy. Just giving the info.

 

[klier]

Isn't it just to allow for the fact that zero emission vehicles are generally heavier than ICEs? There are consequences to heavy vehicles on infrastructure, sure, but if your overwhelming aim is to reduce emissions then you have to accept that.

I just had a letter from the RDW (the motoring authority in the Netherlands) to say the road tax on my Macan will be increasing significantly from the 1st January. One year ago, EVs are charged zero rate road tax. From 1st January this year, EVs are charged 25% of the equivalent ICE road tax. From 1st January next year, it will be either 70% or 75%. The issue is, there are two elements which influence how much you pay. One is the region of the Netherlands in which you live. The second is the weight of the vehicle. So EVs will be punished quite hard when it inevitably goes to 100% of the ICE rate.

So road tax for the Macan has gone from €0, to €1,476 per year, in 12-months, and it won't stop there. Insane.

Not asking for sympathy. Just giving the info.

I think it's only fair. These fat heavy EVs ruin roads with no consequences. They should be paying more to use public roads. Not less.

 

[Big Sam]

I think it's only fair. These fat heavy EVs ruin roads with no consequences. They should be paying more to use public roads. Not less.

If you're being charged purely for damaging the roads, then I agree. But it discourages people away from zero emission vehicles when by their very nature, EVs will be heavier than the ICE equivalent.

And to go from zero to €1,476 per year in 12-months is a bit much, also. It should be brought in more gently.

 

[Matski]

Isn't it just to allow for the fact that zero emission vehicles are generally heavier than ICEs?

A couple of things to consider.

When they were deciding on how to go about this the French and the Germans were both lobbying at opposite ends of the spectrum. The Germans wanted something that would allow for large, heavy luxury vehicles - the French on the other hand wanted something that rewarded lighter (smaller and less luxurious) cars. This obviously reflects their national manufacturing interests. In practice, the French approach would have dropped the tipping point to about 1200kg IIRC - a figure far easier for French cars to achieve (at the time at least) than German Luxo Barges.

Also, this is relates to the target. The output that's measured against it is based on emissions (WLTP). So selling a ZEV still has a significant impact on the measured fleet average... and that's what fines are levied against (in the EU at least).

The BMW XM is the car I always come back to for this. It weighs a lot, and does the WLTP mostly on electric. It's absolutely cheeses the current emissions regs from both ends - yet it's clearly not actually a clean, eco-friendly vehicle. From an emissions point of view it dramatically subsidizes BMW's line up far more than lighter, more frugal cars - I'd imagine it's something akin to the Panamera e-Turbo thing (IDK Porsche shrug lol).

Whether or not people see the value in cleaner emissions regulations, this is an absolutely terrible system at doing what it's supposed to do.

 

[klier]

The BMW XM is the car I always come back to for this. It weighs a lot, and does the WLTP mostly on electric. It's absolutely cheeses the current emissions regs from both ends - yet it's clearly not actually a clean, eco-friendly vehicle. From an emissions point of view it dramatically subsidizes BMW's line up far more than lighter, more frugal cars - I'd imagine it's something akin to the Panamera e-Turbo thing (IDK Porsche shrug lol).

Spot on. It's absolutely unbelievable this is true. Over here they even stopped selling the actual eco friendly small city cars like the Aygo.