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Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari
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Many seem to forget that when salomondrin tested laferrari vs p1 vs 918 on same day and with the same driver, the ferrari and 918 did essentially equal times (1:18.44 vs 1:18.46).
Keeping in mind that the laferrari only had the pzero corsa vs the supposedly superior 918's cup 2 tires, the la ferrari seemed to be surprise being the faster car.
On CH test at portimão, the p1 was king, with and without the trofeo tires, this was from my point of view the most relevant test until today, because it was done on a propper f1 worthy track and not the typical go-kart track... It was an awesome test...
This latest test with trofeos on both (918 and p1) was a big surprise to me, apparently the p1 suffered more power loss from the heat, and maybe the circuit favors a bit the 918 but the difference was too big... Maybe the 918 had fresh tires and the P1's were already worn or perhaps the p1 wasn't in race mode?
My general impression is that these cars are evenly matched, and that the track will be the deciding factor...
Actually i must say i considered the p1 (in race mode) to be the faster of the 3 on a propper track. hmm... i think i still do.
Keeping in mind that the laferrari only had the pzero corsa vs the supposedly superior 918's cup 2 tires, the la ferrari seemed to be surprise being the faster car.
On CH test at portimão, the p1 was king, with and without the trofeo tires, this was from my point of view the most relevant test until today, because it was done on a propper f1 worthy track and not the typical go-kart track... It was an awesome test...
This latest test with trofeos on both (918 and p1) was a big surprise to me, apparently the p1 suffered more power loss from the heat, and maybe the circuit favors a bit the 918 but the difference was too big... Maybe the 918 had fresh tires and the P1's were already worn or perhaps the p1 wasn't in race mode?
My general impression is that these cars are evenly matched, and that the track will be the deciding factor...
Actually i must say i considered the p1 (in race mode) to be the faster of the 3 on a propper track. hmm... i think i still do.
boyko23
Precision Pilot
If you think, that the long version of Thermal is a go-kart track, then nothing to add more...
Also, don't forget that Portimao test was conducted with factory preped cars, which has nothing to do with customer ones first of all.
Salomondrin did a great job with all his videos and answered a lot of questions, which appeared after all the British "unbiased" "test"...
Also, don't forget that Portimao test was conducted with factory preped cars, which has nothing to do with customer ones first of all.
Salomondrin did a great job with all his videos and answered a lot of questions, which appeared after all the British "unbiased" "test"...
I could have been much more detailed supporting my point of view, but for the sake of succinctness...
This was the first time Salomondrin used the long circuit of thermal on a comparisson, and this test wasn't on the same level of the one of CH. It was way smaller an too simplistic, they weren't clear on the various questions concerning a test like this... It just looks like put a new set of tires on the 918 and run both cars...
Out of curiosity, apparently the biggest straight on the long version of the track has only 750m, but either way seems to be a nice track...
Don't get me wrong, i like what Salomondrin is doing, i enjoy watching a lot of his videos, but the comparisons seem to lack some attention to the details, which is something very desirable in this kind of thing... but that's ok, they are people from the bilionaire club who don't love and care about technical details. They like to buy hyper cars and going fast, nothing wrong with that...
About client cars vs factory cars, seems to be a new trend to be extremely suspicious about that, but for instance the Salomondrin's hyper 5 seems to give credibility to the claim that the factory cars from CH test were the same as the client cars (give or take a few optionals)...
This was the first time Salomondrin used the long circuit of thermal on a comparisson, and this test wasn't on the same level of the one of CH. It was way smaller an too simplistic, they weren't clear on the various questions concerning a test like this... It just looks like put a new set of tires on the 918 and run both cars...
Out of curiosity, apparently the biggest straight on the long version of the track has only 750m, but either way seems to be a nice track...
Don't get me wrong, i like what Salomondrin is doing, i enjoy watching a lot of his videos, but the comparisons seem to lack some attention to the details, which is something very desirable in this kind of thing... but that's ok, they are people from the bilionaire club who don't love and care about technical details. They like to buy hyper cars and going fast, nothing wrong with that...
About client cars vs factory cars, seems to be a new trend to be extremely suspicious about that, but for instance the Salomondrin's hyper 5 seems to give credibility to the claim that the factory cars from CH test were the same as the client cars (give or take a few optionals)...
boyko23
Precision Pilot
When you have 3 seconds on the table, no technical details on this planet can make a difference. This is a whole new level.
Portimao was good track for the P1, but at the end of the day most of the tracks, where these types of cars are driven on track days aren't F1 one. That's the bonus with the 918 - it's the fastest usable hyper car to date!
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Portimao was good track for the P1, but at the end of the day most of the tracks, where these types of cars are driven on track days aren't F1 one. That's the bonus with the 918 - it's the fastest usable hyper car to date!
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That is a bit unfair on them, full telemetry was provided for the entire lap for all the cars. Also these people did upset the manufactures by going ahead with that test, with the most public fallout with Pagani.
Of course the details can make the difference, the driver said the p1 suffered significantly more because of the limp mode generated by the heat, and if the p1 unlike the 918 had worn tires... and who knows if it really was or not in race mode...
Maybe this isn't the case but 3s gap just doen't seem right...
This kind of car is consistently seen in lots of f1 and f1 like tracks, and i don't think that any of these cars was designed having in mind small tracks, that argument doesn't make sense to me.
Most of these cars probably dont end up being used or pushed on the track anyway, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that these are extremly high powered street cars designed to perform well on the track and at extremely high speeds.
Agree to disagree, to me is probably the most usable (awd) and one of the fastest hypercars, with its advantages and disavantages...
Yes i know, they tried harder on the hyper five, but sill...
I think it's fair to note that the 918 damaged its batteries on the comparison against m
I think it's fair to note that the 918 damaged its batteries, and had to be repaired, on the comparison against the p1.
minute 3:00
I think it's fair to note that the 918 damaged its batteries, and had to be repaired, on the comparison against the p1.
minute 3:00
I think he said the batteries were "swapped out" meaning they were replaced completely? After all the testings, even Porsche falls short.
boyko23
Precision Pilot
Just to clarify the details around this test and the issues with both cars:
1. 918 suffered from 12V battery, which just died on that day. Nothing connected with its hybrid system. That’s why the car was running at the end of the video…;
2. P1 on the other hand, suffered from overheating in the hybrid system, because it doesn’t have its own cooling system, unlike 918…
1. 918 suffered from 12V battery, which just died on that day. Nothing connected with its hybrid system. That’s why the car was running at the end of the video…;
2. P1 on the other hand, suffered from overheating in the hybrid system, because it doesn’t have its own cooling system, unlike 918…
Interesting, so only the 12V battery died in the 918? I am not aware the 918 even has a 12V battery. Where is it located?
As for the P1, it is crazy if the hybrid system doesn't have its own active cooling circuit. The P1 does have a cooling system for the batteries at least.
http://jalopnik.com/this-is-how-the-techno-fabulous-mclaren-p1-makes-903-hy-294642750
boyko23
Precision Pilot
918's 12-Volt lithium-ion battery (starter battery) is installed in the underbody of the vehicle and replacing it, can be done only in OPC...
As for the P1 - I mean, that 918 has it own A/C cooling system, unlike P1. The heat is dissipated via a cool-ant/refrigerant heat exchanger to the air-conditioning circuit, which is also responsible for the interior air conditioning. In race mode, the air conditioner’s full focus is on cooling the drive components, with restriction of the interior air conditioning if required....
As for the P1 - I mean, that 918 has it own A/C cooling system, unlike P1. The heat is dissipated via a cool-ant/refrigerant heat exchanger to the air-conditioning circuit, which is also responsible for the interior air conditioning. In race mode, the air conditioner’s full focus is on cooling the drive components, with restriction of the interior air conditioning if required....
I suppose it is designed this way to save weight? I doubt it matters much to the driver when they are driving the car in race mode. Having said that it seems like the cooling system has a very fine operating range.
Even if the only battery needing replacement was the 12v, it seems obvious to be due to the track work under heat.
Apparently the 918 holded better than the p1 up to some point and was able to do a few laps... but in the end both suffered from oveheating, the porsche saw its battery depleted and needing to visit the opc...
Even so the 918 displayed a great pace...
WBarnes
Subscriber
I often wonder whether 91 octane is a factor in these California tests too. I've never seen a single FI car do well in a test in California and large cube unstressed muscle tends to do very well conversely.
WBarnes
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I'm detecting a hint of bias here. It depends on the track and conditions, plain and simple, lots of factors. Portimao was a very fast track and conducted on regular European super unleaded. Laguna Seca was a slow track and conducted on 91 octane. British bias? You can wave the nationalistic flag in either direction, I would however argue that Chris Harris is probably one of the biggest Porsche fans alive and anyone who follows the guy would know this and he has every right to be, they're great cars. But to accuse him of anti-Porsche bias, come on.
Both cars are extremely fast and both have strengths and weaknesses. There is no one definitive test because there are too many variables and uncertainties at play. Nobody can guarantee the cars are standard whether supplied by the factory or a customer. It's really a shame when great cars like these fall foul of such anally retentive scrutiny and analysis. Just sit back, relax and enjoy the spectacle.
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