Back in 99 I owned one of the yellow 360 press cars, one of the fastest accelerating cars I have ever owned, even now........lol, it used to out run super bikes
Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari
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Back in 99 I owned one of the yellow 360 press cars, one of the fastest accelerating cars I have ever owned, even now........lol, it used to out run super bikes
Sorry but you are wrong on this, EMU is correct, the wind does play a massive part at the AC test venue..ie last year there was a 25mph head wind, it was very hard to push through it......I will be back there in the next 2 weeks in a 918, be interesting to see the top speed
What is the new Porsche conspiracy? Treynor drew the telemetry by hand?So what is the new conspiracy theory from Maclaren cultists? That Motor Trend is colluding with Porsche now?
Sadly you would understand it if you actually read it instead of jibbering on. The standing km and acceleration times do not match because both are a 2-way average and therefore representative of a two virtual averaged runs that never actually happened in reality. This is really simple, even a child can understand it.
Only as fast as P1 in Autocar to 200mph, even based on indicated speed in a single direction.
Also a non-continuous run, glitch and 4mph jump at 0:19. Car moves slightly before clock starts.
It is the bit before and after the corner in this video glued together. Actual 150-180mh time is ~6s without jump not 5s.
1360kg, now 1500kg? Reality? Nearer 1600kg.
LOL I mentioned it about 5 times already to Emu, 3 german car magazines (AMS, AS, AZ) have recorded 0-300km/h (186mph) times of 19.1sec and 19.5sec with the same weissach car and QR recorded just over 20sec for a non weissach car. Not to mention both AC and CD got 18.2sec and 17.5sec to 180mph, the AC test car was identical to the 3 german car tests.
Keep dreaming on this subject. We will see from the MT video. Facts are your explanations tend to be biased to Maclaren and consequently are 99,99% wrong.
Oh dear. A customer LaFe beating a press P1 on the same rubber PZCS. You will not have excuses to tell us, or maybe you will invent the laFe PZCS are better than the Trofeo R.
I know you are capable to affirm that.
If I compare the Nissan GTR to 458 I get the same results on fastest laps. And then ?
The Mp4-12c is out of production. Annihilated
Autozine resumed very well
http://www.autozine.org/Archive/McLaren/new/MP4_12C.html
Following 458' Awards, surely I forget something.
-- Supercar of the Year and Car of the Year – Top Gear Magazine
-- Car of the Year – GQ Magazine
-- Car of the Year – MSN Cars
-- Performance Car of the Year 2011 and 2012 – Auto Express
-- Fast Car of the Year – Fifth Gear Magazine
-- 2010 Best Exotic Car – Middle East Motor Awards
-- Performance Car of the Year – Car Magazine
-- Car of the Year 2010 and Supercar of the Year – Car Middle East
-- Supercar of the Year 2010 – Top Gear China
-- Most Admired Sports Car 2010 – Xcar website
-- No. 1 of top 10 cars of 2010 -- New York Times
-- Money No Ojbect Car of the Year - Daily Telegraph
-- Best of the Best for 2010 – Robb Report
-- 2011 Car of the Year -- Robb Report
-- 1st prize, Imported Sports Car Category - Auto Motor und Sport (Germany)
-- The Car I prefer Award, Sports Car Category -- Quattroruote
-- Sports Car of the Year -- Auto Illustrierte (Switzerland)
-- Best Performance Engine and Best Engine Above 4-litres of the year 2011, 2012
-- Best driver car MotrTrend 2011
And talking about tires that's the wet lap time results
Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:12.70 1:19.10 (+6.40)
SportAuto wet handling test 1:33.60 1:38.70 (+5.10)
Strange why comparable tires as you state have so big difference in the wet. A 458 will double the Mp4-12 in 15 laps. lol
Your biased claim are nonsense. I just posted ecvidence the Porsche fit the Pzero in all the 911 range and with outstandings results. Over the pzero, they use MPSC2 and the Dunlop Sport Maxx race. This show clearly the nonsense of your post. They should use the MPSS or the Corsa instead of the Pzero if you was right
Actually Evo loan Anglesey track just on day. The one on ones have tweeked Mp4-12c too usualy they tend to switch tires and if it s not enough to came back days later to state they are faster (see Car magazine in 2011 and recently with EVO).
This is your biased assumptions. Also the Renault Megane tire had wrong pressure ?
Trofeo R faster, my dear
Your optimal conditions are totally BS.
Motortrend curb weight of P1 3411 lbs / 1547 Kg, tank is 16,9 gallons = 47 kg (fuel density 0,74kg/l) so we 1500 Kg with all fluids.
From where the 1360 Kg came from ? Treynor P1 have 140 kg of options ?
The press P1 has 4 aerostatic ballons attached to the wheel ?
And who's going to track his car with 5% of fuel ?
That's you Emu.
You cheat all times inventing numbers to support your castle cards
No P1 have showed sustained lateral accelaration of 2 g or more.
Peak doesn't count, here an amateur pilot peaking 1,75g with Scuderia and GT2 of course sustained is 1,25 -1,3 g
Writing anything for you to understand is like taking your head and hitting a brick wall. You want to write any argument or garbage just to satisfy your own obsessions with the P1 instead of listening to others facts and points of view and compromising and admitting that you are never always right. Standing start km and any other acceleration tests are recorded and timed (its not virtual but real) with timing gear and speed sensors and GPS by most magazines over a 2 way average to counter for any weather and air conditions, road conditions (gradients etc.) and vehicle performance characteristics as well as test driver performance (such as how they modulated the accelerator, clutch and gearshift and brakes).
Ok the test venue could get windy but nothing was mentioned in the Autocar test H2H so how can the acceleration for both cars to 200mph be correct especially in light of the data recorded in other tests and especially Autocar themselves of the very same 918 test car to 180mph?
This will be my last post in this thread I have lost total interest in this 918/P1/LaFerrari comparison because of a particular member.
You are very confused as always.
An open differential + lateral brake control don't distribuite torque between left and rear .
The lateral braking control applies different braking forces to the wheels independently so generates the yaw moment (torque vectoring). So a wheel can only receive 50% of the torque and no more.
An LSD or MLD (mechanical locked) can transmit a % of torque between tires (40% is a standard value), The Ferrari system is 100 -0 ; 0-100.
Try to understand that few McLaren technical solutions are very questionable. Brake steer or Tenneco Kinetic CVSA2 system are not really state of the art technology as McLaren wrote in any press release.
I am well aware of that, in fact most long term members and moderators have long stop posting on this thread...for pretty much the same reason.
Brake steer their other marketing talk is just that..marketing crap, it isn't ground breaking, innovative. it has been around for many years.
I think my assessment is reasonable. The 918 stops a little quicker than the P1 on PZCS, on Trofeo Rs the gap should close not grow wider.
It beat the PZCS time marginally on a separate day as I understand it.
Funny how it beat the 458 nearly everywhere, especially in 625 guise. Speciale couldn't even beat the 650S with Cup 2 against PZCS on Vairano and Autocar Dry Handling circuits.
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ferrari_458_speciale-vs-mclaren_650s_spider.html
Track 458 Speciale 650S Spider
Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:08.30 1:08.30
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ferrari_458_speciale-vs-mclaren_650_s.html
Track 458 Speciale 650 S
Vairano Handling Course 1:12.49 1:12.29
And talking about tires that's the wet lap time results
I think my assessment is reasonable. The 918 stops a little quicker than the P1 on PZCS, on Trofeo Rs the gap should close not grow wider.
It beat the PZCS time marginally on a separate day as I understand it.
Complete rubbish. About the only thing Apolo1 and I agree on is that PZero < MPSS.
Yawn. McLaren being accused of cheating by a Ferrari fan is like a lump of coal calling ivory black.
Only faster than the Megane by 1.5s on a 2 minute track. Most test cars turn up on cold street pressure. That's a simple fact.
Optimal conditions are exactly that. 1380kg is the dry weight without fuel, I added driver and 5kg of fuel to that. 28cm comes in well above actual P1 CoG height, which is <25cm. Castelloli showed 2.15g. P1 at Texas Speedway showed 1.8g sustained in a lower speed corner with PZCS (245 tyre).
Frankly your perspective is garbage. You want to take one set of figures from a magazine where the cars were tested in different conditions and ignore a same day head-to-head by the same magazine because it was somehow fixed. I've gone to great length to explain why 0-180mph and standing km times don't match and it in effect proves my point regarding the wind but you choose to ignore it.
Sadly only AC's time is a two way average, as was their same day head-to-head. The 18.2s is an average without wind, the 29.7s 0-200mph is an average with some wind, as is the 23.29s for the P1.
The electronics control tractive and braking torque directly, same way as it's split front-to-rear in the 918. There is no good reason why you would send 100% of torque to the left or right wheel, that's the real marketing garbage right there.
The idea isn't ground-breaking, the execution is. The weight saving and reduction in parasitic losses is significant, this is why the 488 is 50kg heavier than a 650S and probably only has the same power at the wheels despite 20ps more at the crank. This is what makes the 650S the fastest car in its class. The launch on the McLaren is significantly better than other RWD cars and comparable to many AWD cars.
http://www.dragtimes.com/McLaren--MP4-12C-Drag-Racing.html
Unotaz
Sunday Driver
No conspiracy theories from Porsche, because we won. End of story.
Since you love quoting things, here are a few quotes for you:
"Everyone knew this day would end with one car faster than the other. That car is the Porsche 918. Its clever all-wheel-drive system, talented Michelin tires, and superior braking performance delivered it not only the fastest lap but also a new record for production cars at this track. It is a superlative performance for a superlative car."
So how many more laps did the P1 run in total that day at Laguna Seca compared to the 918?? Quite a bit more....
"The McLaren people change tire pressures. An engineer says the Pirellis take four or five adjustments before they settle. The P1 goes out for more laps and comes in for more adjustments. On goes another set of Trofeo Rs. More laps. More pressure changes. The best the P1 does is a 1:30.71."
The truth is that the 918 was getting slower, not quicker, even with the recharging laps. Side-effect of being a big, heavy AWD car, also known as 'The GTR Effect'.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1503_2015_mclaren_p1_vs_2015_porsche_918_spyder/#ixzz3UNjVQn9p
Sounds like more than 4 laps total to me. You can't pull in for tyre pressure adjustments a few times and only have done 4 laps total, including recharging laps. Hence your 'complete' data set is complete bollox.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1503_2015_mclaren_p1_vs_2015_porsche_918_spyder/#ixzz3UNjVQn9p
Sounds like more than 4 laps total to me. You can't pull in for tyre pressure adjustments a few times and only have done 4 laps total, including recharging laps. Hence your 'complete' data set is complete bollox.
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