TopspeedPT
Track Technician
Still alot of racecar DNA on that McLaren.
Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari
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Still alot of racecar DNA on that McLaren.
Wow Wow 6:43 is a mega quick time but then this car is not standard with 986 PS and also not a series production car like the normal P1 so does this really count? I have a feeling the Mercedes Project One hypercar will get below 6:30 let's wait and see later this year when it is launched.
It counts when people want it to, just as the Project1 time will. Since there is no standard for testing and nobody actually scrutineering things they're all somewhat dodgy in my book.
Aside from that... it's all ridiculous anyway. An average GT3 car with about half the power, that costs nowhere near what these cars do, will do 6:30 around the Nordschleife, possibly a 6:05 if it's a BTG time --- and that'd would be in race trim... do it on an open track without series mandated ballast and air-restrictors, it would be sub 6:00 mins..... with 580hp.... for €350,000ish
Whats the difference...? Tyres... all of this hype, pomp, ceremony and expense for these hyper-cars comes from the need to compensate for the lack of racing slicks on road cars... that's it... look at the P1/918/LaF times around Silverstone National... they're matched by a 350+hp Ford Focus derived FWD race car that can be had for less than a £100,000...
Hyper cars are, categorically, in my humblest of opinions, stupid. You can only legally and sensibly get close to their performance on a race track, and if you're tracking something and want to even try and go that quick, just buy a ****ing race car.... not that most Hyper car buyers have the talent to get to these headline laptimes anyway...
... grrr...
#MatskiRant over...
Great post mate I fully agree with you that a cheaper pumped up car in race trim can match these overpriced Hypercars on the right track. The hypercars are too quick for the public Road and too fully appreciate their head snapping performance you have to take them to an airstrip or race track.
boyko23
Precision Pilot
Regarding this whole Lanzante marketing excersise, I would quote an open minded and very honest P1 GTR owner, because it's spot on imv:
A West:
i'm just utterly unimpressed with this whole exercise. The car might be street legal, but it most definitely is not a Production Car. Lanzante spends two years, creates a new engine, takes out everything possible out of the car, uses a set of tyres which i highly doubt you can buy (same as with the Huracans lap time IMHO), for a total cost of what 3mn quid and Kenny (who is an excellent driver) manages to go 9 secs faster than a Huracan. A car with almost 400BHP less, costing 1/10 of this car. And 9 seconds over a lap that long is probably within the margin of error considering time of day, ambient temperature, track temperature, what type of rubber on the track etc etc. whoopidoodaa
Not taking anything away from Kenny driving that thing at sub 7 minutes, god knows i couldnt and wouldnt want to try it, but this whole exercise leaves me stone cold.
Just as doing a FOS run on supersticky tires that will last 4 miles at best...
A West:
i'm just utterly unimpressed with this whole exercise. The car might be street legal, but it most definitely is not a Production Car. Lanzante spends two years, creates a new engine, takes out everything possible out of the car, uses a set of tyres which i highly doubt you can buy (same as with the Huracans lap time IMHO), for a total cost of what 3mn quid and Kenny (who is an excellent driver) manages to go 9 secs faster than a Huracan. A car with almost 400BHP less, costing 1/10 of this car. And 9 seconds over a lap that long is probably within the margin of error considering time of day, ambient temperature, track temperature, what type of rubber on the track etc etc. whoopidoodaa
Not taking anything away from Kenny driving that thing at sub 7 minutes, god knows i couldnt and wouldnt want to try it, but this whole exercise leaves me stone cold.
Just as doing a FOS run on supersticky tires that will last 4 miles at best...
A.P.
Autobahn Explorer
I think that`s where the difference is. We have to divide these Ring lap times into different categories. I personally think that Huracan P still holds the record for production cars, especially mass produced vehicles. P1 LM in my opinion falls under the non-series/not road legal vehicles category in my opinion. Basically cars that aren`t produced by official car manufacturers (in other words they are produced by the likes of tuners, other modifiers etc) or that are production car based non road legal vehicles.
kingjr9000
Das Beste Enthusiast
The GTR should be treated the same way the Zonda R was. Porsche would admit how it was done, like they did with the turbo S.
WBarnes
Subscriber
You mean by using a non-identical prototype with a fixed roof and a battery discharge rate that last 3x longer than on production models. Even Porsche and its customers have admitted changes to the car since the 'ring lap.
And the LM is not merely a GTR made road legal, this has been done to death.
Compared to the P1 GTR (being the track only one or the road converted one it doesn't matter, the LM is superior to both), the LM has:
Watch The McLaren P1 LM’s Record-Setting 6:43 Nurburgring Lap
Now, few more details..
P1 GTR Engine
P1 LM Engine
And the LM is not merely a GTR made road legal, this has been done to death.
Compared to the P1 GTR (being the track only one or the road converted one it doesn't matter, the LM is superior to both), the LM has:
- more downforce
- bigger displacement
- more power
- more torque
- less weight
- new wheels
- air con
- Cup 2 tyres
Watch The McLaren P1 LM’s Record-Setting 6:43 Nurburgring Lap
Now, few more details..
- P1 GTR seat:
- Road legal P1 GTR seats:
- P1 LM seats (dervied from those of the F1 LM), also note steering wheel:
P1 GTR Engine
P1 LM Engine
WBarnes
Subscriber
It isn't a GTR.
Zonda R used slicks and wasn't road legal and didn't have air-con, so complete non-equivalence.
kingjr9000
Das Beste Enthusiast
Like Matski said all hypercars are very illogical, it's possible to go way faster for far less money on track, and these cars can't really be pushed close to their limits on the road...
Still, i'm kind of a car guy and personally find them interesting, there are people that spend 500k on pulse watches, if i had the money to buy like 200 hyper cars i would consider to have a couple...
As for the validity of this lap, i give them credit for it and i found the time relatively impressive.
If i was in the market for one of the fastest hyper road cars, the p1 lm would be on my short list, and to me, it would be as much of an official/mclaren/road car/production car as it needed to be.
But i'll admit that at this time, the huracan's lap is the most impressive of all...
Still, i'm kind of a car guy and personally find them interesting, there are people that spend 500k on pulse watches, if i had the money to buy like 200 hyper cars i would consider to have a couple...
As for the validity of this lap, i give them credit for it and i found the time relatively impressive.
If i was in the market for one of the fastest hyper road cars, the p1 lm would be on my short list, and to me, it would be as much of an official/mclaren/road car/production car as it needed to be.
But i'll admit that at this time, the huracan's lap is the most impressive of all...
tieftaucher
Diesel Dynamiker
The P1 LM didn't have a front number plate in the Nurburgring lap video. Aren't they required by law both in Britain and Germany for street legality ?
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