Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari

[WBarnes]

If you're talking about the quote i posted with CJ, then that was pointing out the times that Salmon did at thermal.

If you're talking about us mentioning the name "Sroser", we were merely stating that he had alternate names on different sites that would probably confuse the average person as to who he is, and that he (Mycroft) is back at it again.

So long story short, we were just doing amateur detective work. And don't worry, we know he can't be banned right now, so we are trying as hard as we can to keep it clean by simply knocking down and debunking or ignoring his arguments for the P1.

I think you actually helped prove my arguments to be honest.

We both agree that the tests at Thermal have been anything but 'definitive', or even serious, or even tests really. They can be broadly summarised as a 7/10ths cruise around a track for a laugh. That was all I ever intended to point out.

Hope you all enjoyed Christmas BTW, this is only a conversation, don't take it so seriously.

 

[kingjr9000]

I think you actually helped prove my arguments to be honest.

We both agree that the tests at Thermal have been anything but 'definitive', or even serious, or even tests really. They can be broadly summarised as a 7/10ths cruise around a track for a laugh. That was all I ever intended to point out.

Hope you all enjoyed Christmas BTW, this is only a conversation, don't take it so seriously.

Technically, thats what CJ had said over at RL. Another guy said something similer over at Mclife and Fchat. Ive also said the same thing or something along the lines of what they said, over here, that Salmons tests shouldn't be taken as the definitive all because their "customer cars", which is what a lot of the "Intranet" fanboys want, all because of that old Harris piece about ferrari. Ever since then, regardless of what ferrari does, their cheating. So its hard for them to win anything on the internet.

And the same to you and everyone else about christmas.

 

[WBarnes]

Some very interesting analysis on this. A little anorak, but.....



Note pit exit, kink in lane before exit and checkpoint 1.

Note distance.

Note speed - 147mph (236kph) just before 200m marker (thick white line on left). Same speed as on Grand Tour given it's just before line. 143mph (~230kph) at line.

Note distance from alleged Grand Tour start point - 460m. It represents about 11s of acceleration. So all 3 cars should be well above 150mph (241kph) by this point, if accelerating, yet none were.

 

[boyko23]

Simple as that - you put (manipulate) the markers, where you like them to be in order to "fit" your theory...

 

[WBarnes]

It's exactly where Grand Tour showed them to be. You can even measure the distance with a ruler on their diagram. ~0.8cm to checkpoint 1 from corner. Full straight is 4.0cm. Google Earth says full straight is 1000m.

(1000m/4.0)*0.8 = 200m

'4.1' and '0.8' will vary with screen size but ratio will remain the same at 4/0.8 = 5.

Myth Busted!

 

[Monster]

Myth Busted!

There is no myth busting, just more myth being created. The discussions are going nowhere.

 

[WBarnes]

918 speedometer question:

The green bar under the speedo, above which it says zero emission. When that drops down to half, is that when the front e-motor kicks out?

I think the bit under charge is when it's charging from engine or brakes right?

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Seems to be some variance on the speed it does it.

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[kingjr9000]

918 speedometer question:

The green bar under the speedo, above which it says zero emission. When that drops down to half, is that when the front e-motor kicks out?

I think the bit under charge is when it's charging from engine or brakes right?

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Seems to be some variance on the speed it does it.

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You'd have a much better chance asking this on fchat than on here. There used to be a couple of owners on here, but I'm not sure if they're still on here. Then @boyko23 is still here, so he'd probably know. But if you want an owner, you're better of asking on fchat about this question.

 

[kingjr9000]

BTW GCF, Heres what an ancient member @Unotaz, stated over on fchat to Mycroft:
No I'm sorry, that wasn't the case. I know the producer on the Chris Harris shows and the lap times set on that show was all from CH alone. Franchitti and Needell made much faster lap times than CH did, but they were not used or published.

In all honesty, CH is a good driver, but he's not in the same league as d'Ambrosio, as poorly as he did in F1. When I had dinner with CH last year after the PZero store grand opening, he was very open and candid regarding his personal preference on the P1. He felt the most comfortable in the P1 of the 3 hypercars, so it was logical (according to him) that he went the fastest in the P1. He never got comfortable in the 918 due to the all wheel system acting unnatural at the limit (this is also true of the car's handling characteristic) and he admits that the LaFerrari fitted with the Trofeo R would destroy the P1. He also said that another colleague of his, Jethro Bovingdon, loved the 918 and lapped it much faster than what was posted on the Evo leaderboard but couldn't post it due to political reasons.

There are tons of behind the scene stuff that you don't know about. Even the drag race done by SCD-TV is "modified" (ask Apolo1, he was there).

 

[WBarnes]

Since you bring it up (which I was trying to avoid), another owner also claimed to have braked down from 300kph at the 150m marker downhill on Portimao before T1 just to try support the allegation that checkpoint 1 was before the braking zone in the GT test. Apparently he can brake better than an LMP1 driver.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145123688-post20654.html

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Then there was the claim by another about slowing from 160mph to 80mph in 80m in a GT3 RS even though it means wiping off 25% more energy than a 124-0mph stop, which consistently takes magazine pros 120m or more. Videos show that even 458 Challenge Evos on slicks take longer.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145124240-post20669.html

This was to try support the case that slowing from 300kph in 150m downhill in a 918 was possible.

I believe they would say anything and everything to try further their case. I don't believe the owner in question has ever spoken to Chris Harris, and I don't believe Harris would present a false case on video if those were really his feelings. Why would he say that a LaF could easily win on Trofeos, if it was slower with both on Corsas when he drove?

What political reason for not posting the 918 time would that be, seriously? This is Evo we're talking about here. You know, the magazine where a Porsche wins ECOTY every single year. That post was garbage on garbage. They couldn't post the LaF's time for political reasons, namely Ferrari prohibited lap times but the time got out anyway, just as these things have a suspicious habit of doing.

http://fastestlaps.com/tests/tl6j6bt26udk

 

[kingjr9000]

I believe they would say anything and everything to try further their case. I don't believe the owner in question has ever spoken to Chris Harris, and I don't believe Harris would present a false case on video if those were really his feelings. Why would he say that a LaF could easily win on Trofeos, if it was slower with both on Corsas when he drove?

What political reason for not posting the 918 time would that be, seriously? This is Evo we're talking about here. You know, the magazine where a Porsche wins ECOTY every single year. That post was garbage on garbage. They couldn't post the LaF's time for political reasons, namely Ferrari prohibited lap times but the time got out anyway, just as these things have a suspicious habit of doing.

http://fastestlaps.com/tests/tl6j6bt26udk

1. If the talk of Harris short-shifting the lafa, then thats where those .7 seconds came from. It was bare a tenth of a second slower than the 918. Thats really either equipment, or simply driver reactions.
2. Same reason they lapped the 918 without the roof
   
   . Not to mention Jethro said that with more time and tire pressure tweaking, more time could be made.
3. The anglesey lafa time was on worn corsas and was a customer car. If it was a second off the P1's time after four laps, then imagine if it had fresh corsas or trofeos.

 

[WBarnes]

1. If the talk of Harris short-shifting the lafa, then thats where those .7 seconds came from. It was bare a tenth of a second slower than the 918. Thats really either equipment, or simply driver reactions.
2. Same reason they lapped the 918 without the roof
   
   . Not to mention Jethro said that with more time and tire pressure tweaking, more time could be made.
3. The anglesey lafa time was on worn corsas and was a customer car. If it was a second off the P1's time after four laps, then imagine if it had fresh corsas or trofeos.

1. Seriously, the LaF has been slower than the P1 in a straight line in every test, hence why it made slower speeds on the straights. There was no short-shifting, that is some BS excuse made up by fchat. I mean JFC, lose a test then just say the driver was short-shifting, works every time right. I guess it was the only excuse they had left. It was a couple of tenths down on the 918 in both tests. Coincidence?

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Go check the video, he changes up from 3rd at 100+mph, 4th at 130+mph and 5th at 160+mph. That is the exact time the shift light comes on. Some people are just world-class BS merchants I'm afraid. In fact, since you mention it, the only car he short-shifts is the P1 into 5th at 105mph going onto the main straight.

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2. That was because it was about to rain and they didn't have time, they have even said this. For the same reason the 675LT only got in 2 hot laps at Bugatti Le Mans. Again, this is Evo we're talking about, the most pro-Porsche magazine on the planet. I suspect the 918 can run faster. Anglesey is a traction dominant circuit (in the words of Evo), so it should be able to at least beat the LaF.

3. I suspect the LaF is faster on the same compound on Anglesey. But the difference between Anglesey and Portimao is huge. Anglesey is a traction dominant circuit, Portimao is not. Based on SCD and Autocar drag race times I estimate that the P1 would pull >0.75s out on the 918 on the main straight alone, and probably a 2-3 tenths on the straight down to Torre VIP and a little on the section with the fastest bend. It's wouldn't have been noticeably slower around the likes of T1, T2, T10 and T13 either. So that only leaves a few hairpins for the 918 and LaF to make back a lot of time. Whereas Anglesey is hairpin, short straight, hairpin all the way. Average speed ~75mph vs ~91mph for Portimao. But it's the main straight on Portimao that kills the 918.

http://www.germancarforum.com/threa...vs-570s-vs-911-turbo-s-the-other-tests.55829/

 

[kingjr9000]

The most ridiculous thing is that they claimed to have set a faster lap time around the Ring than the 918, and then tell others that they shouldn't try because it will be "too dangerous" and they are suddenly concerned about the safety of others.

Heres the interesting though, an owner over at fchat or RT said the prototype itself (the record car) could have done an additional 10secs. Then the actual production car itself is even faster still.

Supposedly, the P1 did a 6:47 on the old track, while the Huracan performance did a 6:52, but, on the newly pave track which is about a second or two faster than the old track. Regardless, if the little lambo did that time on the old or new track, its still a seriously commendable feat.

 

[WBarnes]

Heres the interesting though, an owner over at fchat or RT said the prototype itself (the record car) could have done an additional 10secs. Then the actual production car itself is even faster still.

Supposedly, the P1 did a 6:47 on the old track, while the Huracan performance did a 6:52, but, on the newly pave track which is about a second or two faster than the old track. Regardless, if the little lambo did that time on the old or new track, its still a seriously commendable feat.

Is the production car faster that the pre-prod on short laps or on the 'ring though? Short laps, certainly, see Laguna, 1s faster, 'ring, not so sure.

As regards the P1, this is an amateur 2up on Corsas and arsing about.

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[gtaqv]

I guess it is related...

The P1 LM posted a record lap on the ring:

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It is a road car on road tyres.

It's kind of a production car, although extremely limited...

 

[TopspeedPT]

"road car"

 

[A.P.]

It doesn`t come like that straight from McLaren`s factory does it?

 

[gtaqv]

"road car"

It is no toyota yaris, but suposedly after setting the record the car was driven from Nurburgring back to the uk...

 

[gtaqv]

It doesn`t come like that straight from McLaren`s factory does it?

Well... Lazante Motorsport is responsible for the creation of the LeMans winning mclaren, and provide a service center for road and race mclarens.

Apparently all cars have been directly supllied by mclaren which also suppported the whole operation.

 

[Frankie G]

It doesn`t come like that straight from McLaren`s factory does it?

No, not that I'm aware of. But the lap time is still mega though because of its setup I'm not really that surprised.