OMG! Finally a journalist who got it right!


Great read, and totally spot on.
Something Scott & I have been telling you all this years.



2009 BMW 750Li: Stalin Would Be Proud | Car News Blog at Motor Trend


:t-cheers:

No wonder, it's Angus MacKenzie- who was the editor of the Brit magazine "CAR" until he (so I've heard) was offered more money and the Los Angeles life-style to move to Motor Trend.
A great writer, who sadly, has to author one story after another about Mustangs and Camaros for the MT audience.
This article seems almost like a labor of love and takes advantage of his insider knowledge.
 
Angus MacKenzie said:
The 2009 BMW 750Li is a bit like that: It carefully airbrushes away everything that made its predecessor, the E65, one of the most confronting BMWs ever built. The "Bangle Butt"? Psssht! The tank-like proportions? Psssht! The dash that looks like a piece of furniture; the column-mounted shifter; the odd-ball seat controls: Psssht! Psssht! Psssht! All gone.

He also got it right about the previous model EnI? Cause i don't recall anyone from BMW accepting the truth that indeed the E65 was flawed...:eusa_thin
 
Didn't read the article but he got it right just coz he praises the car? and does that mean that anyone who doesn't praise it is an unworthy journalist?:D
 
Correct. Because Motor Trend is the same outlet that called the X6 "pointless" or "pleasantly pointless" and that article was trashed to say the least.

M
 
No wonder, it's Angus MacKenzie- who was the editor of the Brit magazine "CAR" until he (so I've heard) was offered more money and the Los Angeles life-style to move to Motor Trend.
A great writer, who sadly, has to author one story after another about Mustangs and Camaros for the MT audience.
This article seems almost like a labor of love and takes advantage of his insider knowledge.

Not sure if he worked for "CAR" but he used to be the editor and then contributor for aussie mag "Wheels". I enjoyed reading his articles very much.
 
Not sure if he worked for "CAR" but he used to be the editor and then contributor for aussie mag "Wheels". I enjoyed reading his articles very much.

Check it out....this is Motor Trend's Press Annc...

Primedia Inc. (NYSE: PRM) today announced the appointment of one of the top international automotive editors, Angus MacKenzie, as Editor-In-Chief of Motor Trend magazine. Motor Trend is recognized internationally as one of the world's leading automotive authorities with a circulation of 1.1 million and is part of Primedia's Consumer Automotive Group. Mr. MacKenzie joins Primedia from EMAP's Car magazine, the top UK automotive publication. He enjoys a distinguished career as a print and broadcast reporter and editor covering the industry in some of the world's most competitive markets, having also served as Editor for Australia's top selling automotive magazine, Wheels.


Primedia Lands Angus Mackenzie as New Motor Trend Editor in Chief:)
 
I find it refreshing to find that in the days of internet automotive publication one journalist knows exactly what he wants to talk about it and has the facts to back up his prose.

What is the publication again? might have to send some Bavarian chocolates. ;)

unlike some...:eusa_doh: You will probably guess who so I am not going to reveal who.

To Adrian Van Hooydunk " It's great to see the 7er no longer has a "BangleButt"
Adrian Van Hooydunk's reply : Hey , I designed the E65 also.


But let me say this people who are intent on being hateful might like licking my boots when the time calls for it but be careful as I am more likely to stand on their throat.
 
He also got it right about the previous model EnI? Cause i don't recall anyone from BMW accepting the truth that indeed the E65 was flawed...:eusa_thin



Of course nobody is that stupid admitting a product being a "flaw". Especially during the product's lifecycle. It's much wiser to to it retrospectively - discretely, with a new generation product, addressing all the major issues.

Of course E65 was far from being perfect. We all know it wasn't agile enough for a BMW. Not to mention some engineering "imperfections" inside & outside. It was conceived in very hard times for BMW (ie. Rover fiasco), and a lack of resources led to releasing far from perfect final product.

Design wise: one part depended on engineering (proportions were set by marketing & engineering), while styling was a matter of taste. But mind the clay model looked very good. But many details were lost in production.

BUT ... The car was a clear statement by BMW.

Mind without new approach BMW wouldn't be able to make a breakthrough in Asian markets (eg. China), where MB has an advantage of bigger brand cache, and Audi enjoying the image of state car (at least in China).

Due to design revolution BMW has been exposed more than ever before - and they needed a distraction. Since everybody was talking about Rover fiasco at that time.

And the car was unconventional for a BMW, and very controversial since it broke away from some traditional BMW trademarks: like physically driver oriented cockpit, stick gear shifter, sleek & fluent proportions, elegant details.

Just like E85 Z4, the E65 pre-FL is much more appreciated today then it was at its launch.

The main error was that BMW official didn't communicate the product properly. They threw Chris to the press, let him doing the dirty job, and getting all the punches. Be sure he was awarded for that difficult task!

But with new generation BMWs the current ones are making much more sense - styling wise. And it seems some journalists are starting to realize that.

Design wise: the cars were "flawed" due bad design engineering - due the lack of resources.

Today the situation is much different. Perfection & quality are much more integrated in core values. Design engineering teams are much more dedicated to the projects than ever before.

Styling wise: it was said zillion times by Bangle & van Hooydonk the design revolution / experience was needed to break away from old traditional restrains. It was cathartic, and opened some very fresh & new perspectives in BMW culture. Not only in design department, but through the entire company. Mind GINA project for example. Or X-coupe etc.
And it was announced already in 2002 the new generation of cars will be an evolution & refinement of the revolutionary designs - which had a task to push styling boundaries as far as possible. Ver. 2.0 is now having task to refine the current solutions. Therefore new designs & stylings will be a mix of traditional (as seen in old generations; eg. shark nose, L-shaped tail lamps, driver-oriented cockpit, sleek proportions etc) & revolutionary cues (seen in current generation; eg. flame-surfacing, shark-fin antena, eyebrows, etc).

We can say BMW is back on track with traditional BMW engineering & design (general proportions, sporty-elegance appearence, driver-oriented ergonomics), while styling is still contemporary (flame-surfacing, contemporary details like shark-fin antena, eybrows etc). Yet all typical BMW design / styling trademarks are (re)incorporated:
- sporty proportions
- quad round headlights
- L-shaped tail lamps
- Hofmeister kink
- driver-oriented cockpit
- shark-nose


****

Cars like E65, E85, E83, E87, E63, E60 won't be cherished as "classic beauties", but will be cherished as "the generation" who helped to revive BMW company, brand & design.

Without them the following generation (F01 7er, E89 Z4, E84 X1, F07 PAS, F25 X3, F10 5er etc) won't be possible. A mix of new & old, without being retro.

:t-cheers:


As Chris said when introducing E65:

"We have a whole new car here. We're really, realy confident that we have here a real winner, and not just a "blub" on a horizon. It's something that's really a powerful long-term statement for BMW. And a basis by which we'll make a whole new generations of BMWs available."

Yet nobody listen to the idea behind, but just focusing on clumsy details & execution.

Just adding: the idea is indeed really great, but the execution wasn't as perfect as expected (engineers just made the car too tall - damaging the proportions etc, while designers went too far with the fascia & tail: incorporating very inelegant details - eg. kidneys, headlights, tail lights etc). With better design engineering (with better resources) many imperfections wouldn't be there, and much less noise would be made. Yet press exposure was enormous, and gave BMW huge secondary & tertiary publicity - putting the brand & the products in the very much spotlight of automotive industry. An once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
 
Didn't read the article but he got it right just coz he praises the car? and does that mean that anyone who doesn't praise it is an unworthy journalist?:D


Please read the article before commenting. :usa7uh:
The article is more about E65 than F01. How F01 puts E65 in a much different perspective.

Read it.

Correct. Because Motor Trend is the same outlet that called the X6 "pointless" or "pleasantly pointless" and that article was trashed to say the least.

M


It applies to you as well: Please read the article before commenting. Otherwise you'll just appear ignorant.

By, the mags do not write articles, people ("journalists") do. For a same mag author A can write a trash, while author B on the other hand can write an excellent write-up. And in the end it's all up to the editor what he is publishing, and what not. But that's another story.
 
To Adrian Van Hooydunk " It's great to see the 7er no longer has a "BangleButt"
Adrian Van Hooydunk's reply : Hey , I designed the E65 also.


Yeah. I find it very funny ... reading eg.:

"Thank God Bangle wasn't in charge for the new 7-series as well. It was designed by Adrian van Hooydonk".

or

"The new 7-series: Thank you BMW for putting Bangle aside, and engaging van Hooydonk instead."

or

"This time Adrian van Hoydonk & Chris Bangle weren't responsible for the new 7er design. It was designed by a freshman named Karim Habib."



:t-crazy2::t-crazy2::t-crazy2::t-crazy2::t-crazy2:



It's like me writing about nuclear physics. Having absolutely no clue about the topic but writing about it nevertheless.

Yet .. Today is a time, when everybody can be a singer, an actor, an idol, a celebrity etc ... And obviously a "journalist" as well. Or a president of a superpower.
 
Please read the article before commenting. :usa7uh:
The article is more about E65 than F01. How F01 puts E65 in a much different perspective.

Read it.

Well that's what the title of the thread pushes one to think of.
 
Didn't read the article but he got it right just coz he praises the car? and does that mean that anyone who doesn't praise it is an unworthy journalist?:D

Well, plenty have been praising the car already, so, obviously not...
 
It applies to you as well: Please read the article before commenting. Otherwise you'll just appear ignorant.

By, the mags do not write articles, people ("journalists") do. For a same mag author A can write a trash, while author B on the other hand can write an excellent write-up. And in the end it's all up to the editor what he is publishing, and what not. But that's another story.


Oh man please, no it does not. I don't comment on these type of articles anywhere near as much as you do, especially when it doesn't favor your brand. I read Motor Trend all the time and saw this article before you got the idea to post it. What continues to make you look ignorant is that one minute Motor Trend is a bunch of idiots (when they said the X6 is pointless) and the next moment they're brilliant, all depending on what they say about BMW. Nothing could be more lame IMO. Now they get it, but when actually test the new 7-Series and say something you don't like, they'll become idiots again. YAWN. More predictable than rain on a cloudy day.


EDIT: You're right the magazine doesn't write an article. This is common sense. However your new excuse won't work here because this is the same guy (Angus MacKenzie) that wrote that the X6 was pointless, whom you called "stupid" then, but this time he gets it. Next time he won't. The fact is that you'll endorse Daffy Duck if he posted the "right" viewpoint on BMW, but a well seasoned and travelled journalist is stupid one minute and brilliant the next. Hilarious.

2009 BMW X6: Perfectly pointless | Car News Blog at Motor Trend

M
 
Hey eni would there be any images of the clay e65 anywhere? I'm interested in seeing how it looked and what exactly was lost in translation.
 

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