M5 Officially Official: The BMW M5 F10.

[Sunny]

Comparison of S63 power curve with another M engine - I removed the numbers to make it not obvious.

 

[klier]

Sunny? 4.0 V8??? Looks NA?

 

[Giannis]

Keep it on topic please!

 

[Sunny]

Sunny? 4.0 V8??? Looks NA?

Nope, not the 4l V8, but yes, it is a NA engine - probably the longest serving M engine (in one form or another) .

 

[Cashmere]

no mention of KERS on the press release, I am assuming it has been abandoned, or are we maybe going to see it on the hardcore version?

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Is this a joke ? This new turbo engine sounds simply awfull. So awfull infact that they used the old car's sound in the official promo(s). Look at 0:23:

 

[SKY]

no mention of KERS on the press release, I am assuming it has been abandoned, or are we maybe going to see it on the hardcore version?

I always thought and claimed in the forum I doubt we would be seeing the KERS on the new F10 M5. Don´t know, maybe some special edition or something. But it obviously doesn´t have KERS.

 

[mclarenftw]

"at the push of a button, you have a sports car"- wow so at a push of a button this thing transforms from a 4400 lb fat sedan into a 3000 lb coupe ?? or what exactly does bmw understand by "sports car" ? a sports car should be light and have a short wheelbase. this car obviously doesn't. therefore, it is NOT a sports car, and will never be one. By the way, BMW, you're full of crap. What kind of idiot can buy into this marketing non-sense ?!

 

[klier]

^^^ I'd say it's time to ban this person here.

Yes. I distinctly remember Scott saying the M5 will be the first production car in the world to have KERS.

Not even distinctly. More like vividly (or does that mean the same hehe). I could even find a quote (he's said it multiple times over many months), but I'm just too damn lazy. That's why I am always saying it's better to forget things Scott says, particularly when he talks about the future. You'll end up being disappointed if you remember. This here is a clear example of Scott predicting the future by looking through rose tinted glasses..

Nope, not the 4l V8, but yes, it is a NA engine - probably the longest serving M engine (in one form or another) .

S50-S54?

 

[martinbo]

Are you on an anti-BMW M5 crusade mclarenftw? I buy into the idea of the M5 being a sporting saloon because, as with all performance cars, there are varying degrees of sportiness. For its intended audience the M5 might very well be the sportiest thing they've ever owned. Does this make me or them idiots? Your definition of a sports car being light (a great attribute) and having a short wheelbase (in relation to what?) may subscribe to the idiom in the classic sense but the overall thinking about what constitutes a sports car these days is much less definite.

 

[mclarenftw]

no, I just don't think that this 4400 lb beluga-whale can be tranformed into a sports car at the push of a button that is just simply a ridiculous claim...and he didn't say "sporting saloon", he said "sports car". which is just like saying that the x5 M is a sports car lol. why ? because a SUV is a car after all, so therefore a "sporting SUV" is a "sports car". I really don't understand what happened to bmw (and implicitly to it's M division), their cars are getting heavier and crapier and less sportier than ever. what good is that you have 50 bhp more if the car weights 220 lbs more than the previous M5, and therefore handles worse ??? and what good is that the new engine has better mileage and more torque if it sounds like SHITE ? since when were M cars about torque, or fuel consumption ?!

and btw, where is the Motorsport legacy in this car ? because I simply cannot see it. they just took a 550i and tuned it a bit and voila, the new M5 is ready. even the engine is almost the same (just different turbo technology and different engine block but same architecture/displacement/etc), what a shame.

 

[Gene]

"at the push of a button, you have a sports car"- wow so at a push of a button this thing transforms from a 4400 lb fat sedan into a 3000 lb coupe ?? or what exactly does bmw understand by "sports car" ? a sports car should be light and have a short wheelbase. this car obviously doesn't. therefore, it is NOT a sports car, and will never be one. By the way, BMW, you're full of crap. What kind of idiot can buy into this marketing non-sense ?!

Take a chill pill man. It's just a word. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

His English is probably better than your German, so I would get into semantics of the words.

 

[mclarenftw]

ok, chilly willy, I'll take my chilly pilly

 

[EMpower]

^^^ I'd say it's time to ban this person here.



Not even distinctly. More like vividly (or does that mean the same hehe). I could even find a quote (he's said it multiple times over many months), but I'm just too damn lazy. That's why I am always saying it's better to forget things Scott says, particularly when he talks about the future. You'll end up being disappointed if you remember. This here is a clear example of Scott predicting the future by looking through rose tinted glasses..




S50-S54?

See here...and other posts by Scott about KERS in new M5. http://www.germancarforum.com/scott27s-info-channel/31735-bmw-m-division-road-ahead.html#post431292

The new BMW M5 will feature an F1 style KERS brake energy regeneration system with an electric motor located in the cars transmission. Tests carried out within BMW's German testing facility have shown the car to be surprisngly capable , Stored energy is released by a Ferrari style switch on the steering colulm which allows the energy to be unleashed, which causes the car to accelerate like a rocket. The system has been developed so that the driver can feel it instantly.

 

[Zafiro]

Differences between M5 and X5M engine

M5
- M TwinPower Turbo technology with cross-bank exhaust manifold, twin-scroll turbocharging, direct petrol injection, (High Precision Injection), VALVETRONIC and Double-Vanos
- Compression ratio: 10.0:1
- Maximum Boost Pressure (absolute): 1.5 bar
- 560hp@5,750 – 7,000 rpm
- Torque: 501 lb-ft@1,500 – 5,750 rpm
- 7200 rpm redline

X5
- M TwinPower Turbo with exhaust gas manifold connecting both rows of cylinders. Twin Scroll Twin Turbo technology. High Precision Injection. double-VANOS
- Compression ratio: 9.3:1
- Maximum Boost Pressure (absolute): 1.2 bar
- 555hp@6,000 rpm
- Torque: 501 lb-ft@1,500 – 5,650 rpm
- 7,000 rpm redline

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Differences between M5 and X5M engine

M5
- M TwinPower Turbo technology with cross-bank exhaust manifold, twin-scroll turbocharging, direct petrol injection, (High Precision Injection), VALVETRONIC and Double-Vanos
- Compression ratio: 10.0:1
- Maximum Boost Pressure (absolute): 1.5 bar
- 560hp@5,750 – 7,000 rpm
- Torque: 501 lb-ft@1,500 – 5,750 rpm
- 7200 rpm redline

X5
- M TwinPower Turbo with exhaust gas manifold connecting both rows of cylinders. Twin Scroll Twin Turbo technology. High Precision Injection. double-VANOS
- Compression ratio: 9.3:1
- Maximum Boost Pressure (absolute): 1.2 bar
- 555hp@6,000 rpm
- Torque: 501 lb-ft@1,500 – 5,650 rpm
- 7,000 rpm redline

That's all well and good but it's my understanding the X5/X6 M will get the new M5 engine very soon. If that's the case then there will be zero differences.

See here...and other posts by Scott about KERS in new M5. http://www.germancarforum.com/scott27s-info-channel/31735-bmw-m-division-road-ahead.html#post431292

I'd love to hear Scotts response to the passages you quoted. No doubt it will be "things change". Well, don't write anything until it's 100% confirmed or else you may end up looking a little bit silly.

 

[LaArtist]

 

[Zafiro]

That's all well and good but it's my understanding the X5/X6 M will get the new M5 engine very soon. If that's the case then there will be zero differences.

Of course its going to. Its a logical way and more economical.

 

[Sunny]

S50-S54?

Yup, S54.

It is remarkable how S63TU is strong right upto the redline like the S54. Here is the vanilla S63 vs S63TU.

S63:

S63TU:

Differences between M5 and X5M engine

M5
- M TwinPower Turbo technology with cross-bank exhaust manifold, twin-scroll turbocharging, direct petrol injection, (High Precision Injection), VALVETRONIC and Double-Vanos
- Compression ratio: 10.0:1
- Maximum Boost Pressure (absolute): 1.5 bar
- 560hp@5,750 – 7,000 rpm
- Torque: 501 lb-ft@1,500 – 5,750 rpm
- 7200 rpm redline

X5
- M TwinPower Turbo with exhaust gas manifold connecting both rows of cylinders. Twin Scroll Twin Turbo technology. High Precision Injection. double-VANOS
- Compression ratio: 9.3:1
- Maximum Boost Pressure (absolute): 1.2 bar
- 555hp@6,000 rpm
- Torque: 501 lb-ft@1,500 – 5,650 rpm
- 7,000 rpm redline

Few interesting things:

1. S63Tu has valvetronic? Didn't know that. That will make it the first turbocharged BMW to use it? Probably N55 already has it, but N54, N63 nor vanilla S63 has it.

2. How the heck does the compression ratio go up compared to S63 if capacity, bore and stroke stays exactly the same? Someone got the math wrong or something changed.

3. So the boost pressure goes up from 1.2 to 1.5 bar and it makes only 5 extra HP and no additional torque. I don't believe that for a sec - either it is massively underrated or highly restricted and begging for a ECU reprogramming. For reference, the .3 bar difference is the same difference the power package adds (1bar to 1.3bar) in AMG's M157 and it that case it nets what? 30HP and 100NM of torque.

 

[mclarenftw]

what does the "TU" mean in "S63 TU" ? twin-ubercharged ?

and I see the torque goes way down at around 6000 rpm or so, is that normal ? what is the reason for that sudden drop in torque at high rpm, is it in order to prepare for the next gear (so that the transmission doesn't explode from the huge torque) ?