86 [Official] Toyota GT 86

[q5s]

I could write a 2000 world essay about how bad the above looks, but I won't, as it seems you lot have gone either totally blind or totally mad (no offence) if you think this looks good!
Same for the plasticky front, 1989 japanese drab interior, engine drone (from the video), pointless rear seats, etc., etc.
And you dare to even compare this to the tt? You don't even have to know anything about cars to see these two are on a different planet. To those who think that they could match a tts either standing start/low end/midrange/top end/cornering/wet or dry keep on having those dreams.
I get the semi-reasonable price, I get rwd, I get manual gearbox, I get n/a, I get japanese design/reliability what I don't get is this car. This car is trying too hard and feels forced, give me an honest car instead. (mx-5 if you want to have fun and live. s2000 if you want to have fun and satisfy your death wish needs at the same time)

 

[conneem]

Okey but are the other reasons than that?

The UK press are stating 1,180kg kerb weight but these leaked JDM spec sheets over on ft86club put it more like 1,210kg & 1,230kg for the low & high spec models respectively. These are Japanese weights so don't include a driver or luggage totally 75kg like EU weights do. Low spec for note includes 16" steel wheels for example, there are coining it, a customising spec for the buyer to start customising the car as soon as they buy it.

Scion FR-S / FT-86 / Subaru BRZ Specs and Options. 200hp / 151 lb-ft tq - Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 Forum | ft86club

So considering it is quite a small car it's not much lighter than a 2.0T TT which comes in at 1,260kg or even a 120i coupe which comes in at 1,300kg

 

[Levi68]

I could write a 2000 world essay about how bad the above looks, but I won't, as it seems you lot have gone either totally blind or totally mad (no offence) if you think this looks good!
Same for the plasticky front, 1989 japanese drab interior, engine drone (from the video), pointless rear seats, etc., etc.
And you dare to even compare this to the tt? You don't even have to know anything about cars to see these two are on a different planet. To those who think that they could match a tts either standing start/low end/midrange/top end/cornering/wet or dry keep on having those dreams.
I get the semi-reasonable price, I get rwd, I get manual gearbox, I get n/a, I get japanese design/reliability what I don't get is this car. This car is trying too hard and feels forced, give me an honest car instead. (mx-5 if you want to have fun and live. s2000 if you want to have fun and satisfy your death wish needs at the same time)

I need a track car but a new one, not second hand. I do agree it is not the best looking car, but I do not want it for looks but for how it drives. The S2000 was a nice car but costed ~40.000 €. Not a problem for. It had no little succes because it had "little torque". I would love to have it, but new, it is no more on sale. The TT is good, but overpriced. 370Z is fare better if to talk about driving experience.

 

[Giannis]

Okey but are the other reasons than that?

Because it's possible. You can opt not to equip a car with certain comfort features like electric and heated seats that add up to the weight. Then, the car's really small and with some clever engineering, you can do miracles!

 

[Levi68]

Its a Toyota with Subaru engine. Newsflash to me.

What is wrong with this? Toyota never had boxer engines? To say the truth it very well fits Toyota. If you look in cars history there were (nearly) no cars with front horizontal engine and rear wheel drive. One of the few ones is the Toyota Sports 800.

 

[Mr. M]

This car is a dream. You know, I've been looking for about a year or two now for a car to replace my VW GTI. I've always thought that it's time for me to go into RWD. But hey, a look at the market quickly reveals that a true sporty RWD car is going to cost me. A lot. You could say I can make do with a 120i, but I don't quite think it fits the bill of a hot hatch, nevermind a sports ccar. How about a RX8, you say? Sure, that's nice, but I'm not going to drive a car daily that does only 8km/l or less and with an engine that's needing a lot of attention with frequent oil top ups and such. Or a 3-Series? Wrong price range bud. An S2000 isn't cheap either, prices are inflated because everybody wants one. So where does that leave me, exactly? Nowhere. (Have to quantify that I have already owned an MX-5 and am looking elsewhere)

Thank God Toyota listened to exactly what drivers needed and gave exactly what we wanted. I never did doubt that they would one day go against convention and offer something for the enthusiast, without the marketing spiel and hogwash extras. Just give me a car I want to drive - RWD, lightweight, not that expensive, LSD, small steering wheel, idiot-proof and hard-wearing interior, good looks, compact size, lightweight, a special engine and just enough power (speed is boring nowadays). Thank you Toyota!

 

[Poverty]

To put the car into perspective I decided to make this list. It is not detailed but to show the "dragracers" what this car is about, and that it is neither under powered nor overpriced. If I can add another car to the list, tell me. By the way, all the prices are base prices, they are prices of the cars in France.


Toyota GT86
200 PS
0-100 km/h: N/A
V-max: N/A
~30.000 €

Renault Mégane RS
250 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,1 sec
V-max: 245 km/h
29.500 €

Peugeot RCZ
200 PS
0-100 km/h: 7,5 sec
V-max: 237 km/h
31.700 €

VW Golf GTI
235 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,6 sec
V-max: 247 km/h
31.130 €

VW Golf R
270 PS
0-100 km/h: 5,7
V-max: 250 km/h
37.430 €

VW Scirocco
210 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,9
V-max: 240 km/h
29.640 €

VW Scirocco R
265 PS
0-100 km/h:6,0 sec
V-max: 250 km/h
36.990 €

Mini Coupé JCW
211 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,4 sec
V-max: 240 km/h
32.700 €

Mazda MX-5 (Hardtop)
160 PS
0-100: 8,9 sec
V-max: 194 km/h
30.300 €

Nissan 370Z
328 PS
0-100 km/h: 5,3 sec
V-max: 250 km/h
40.950 €

Honda Civic Type R
201 PS
0-100 km/h: 6.6 sec
V-max: 235 km/h
31.300 €

Audi TT
160 PS / 211 PS
0-100 km/h: 7,4 sec / 6,1 sec
V-max: 223 km/h / 245 km/h
32.910 € /38.210 €

BMW 120i / 125i (E82)
170 PS / 218 PS
0-100 km/h: 7,8 sec / 6,4 sec
V-max: 224 km/h / 245 km/h
30.350 € / 35.500 €

Hyundai GC 2.0T / 3.8 V6 (MY2011)
210 PS / 303 PS
0-100 km/h: 8,0 sec / 6,3 sec
V-max; 223 km/h / 240 km/h
32.990 € / 35.990 €

Lotus Elise
136 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,5 sec
V-max: 203 km/h
34.620 €




Looking at the list, the Toyota GT86 is the best bang for you buck, yet we do not have all specs, price could be lower, performance quite good. If you want more the only way to go is Nissan 370Z. If you want good german products, pay more for "less".

To me it looks like the renault megane is the best bang for buck.

As for getting young drivers back to toyota, its not gonna work, youngsters dont want this type of car, there is nothing special about it, doesnt look great, on paper performance is poor, and its a toyota. Like I said its a rwd gen 7 celica, and youngsters didnt want that car either. What toyota should be making is a supra, get some respect back from real enthusiasts.

The days of the turbo mr2, supra, turbo 4wd celica, thats when toyota was cool

 

[NarutoRamen]

I could write a 2000 world essay about how bad the above looks, but I won't, as it seems you lot have gone either totally blind or totally mad (no offence) if you think this looks good![/QUOTE]

I could write a 2000 volume encyclopedia on how design is subjective, but I'll leave it at just that. If you don't like it, fine, but to say those of us who think it's fine are blind is purely wrong.

One thing I don't get right now is what the f__k is the deal with all the hate on Japanese cars? It's a cheap RWD coupe, yet everyone is bashing it like it's a F__king M3 competitor.

 

[Centurion]

In my eyes the car has one of the finer interior designs of any recent Asian car. It's neutrality is level with the GTR.

 

[330CIZHP]

UK website for the GT-86

Toyota GT 86 | Toyota UK

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Where is this thing being assembled. The panel gaps and general fit seems particularly poor, especially considering these are PRESS pictures.

 

[Centurion]

A well kitted out GT86:

CAR SPOTLIGHT >> MODIFIED TOYOTA 86 - Speedhunters

 

[Guibo]

I could write a 2000 world essay about how bad the above looks, but I won't, as it seems you lot have gone either totally blind or totally mad (no offence) if you think this looks good!
Same for the plasticky front, 1989 japanese drab interior, engine drone (from the video), pointless rear seats, etc., etc.
And you dare to even compare this to the tt? You don't even have to know anything about cars to see these two are on a different planet. To those who think that they could match a tts either standing start/low end/midrange/top end/cornering/wet or dry keep on having those dreams.
I get the semi-reasonable price, I get rwd, I get manual gearbox, I get n/a, I get japanese design/reliability what I don't get is this car. This car is trying too hard and feels forced, give me an honest car instead. (mx-5 if you want to have fun and live. s2000 if you want to have fun and satisfy your death wish needs at the same time)

"Totally blind or totally mad (no offence)"...right. Let's stop pretending that you do not intend offence, since it's pretty obvious that you do. As styling is subjective, you're going to have to accept that some will like the way it looks.
Wait, why are you placing the TT on a pedestal when you hate 2+2's as a principle? Is it because one of these cars is Japanese while the other is German?
The BMW 1M saw the RS3 off pretty well on a wet track (5th Gear) and so did the E46 M3 against the S4 of the day (Autocar). For the typical driver, it may be safer, yes, but it's not automatically faster under skilled hands. And if you're by yourself on a winding road (which represents probably 99% of real-world driving conditions), what would it matter if another car is a bit faster anyway?
Let's be honest now. Despite all those things you listed in favor of the car (semi-reasonable price, RWD, manual gearbox, n/a, Japanese design/reliability), you simply don't get any of those things if you don't get this car. Even Honda won't give you an S2000 nowadays, so why cry about it?


Just because a Megane might look better by on-paper stats, that doesn't make another car pointless. Not everyone wants a Miata. The nerve of Toyota/Subaru to develop something clearly different! What, do they suddenly think people want variety or something? BTW, I don't think anyone on this forum even knows if a hotter variant might come down the line anyway.
As for the talk about the Supra, I don't think Toyota wants to repeat how poorly that car fared in the market near the end of its life, at which point it was knocking on $50k (hardly within the realm of affordability for college grads and equivalent to $66k in today's money).

 

[Soup]

Toyota GT 86 'less than £28k' - Autocar.co.uk

Toyota sources have indicated that the all-new Toyota GT 86 coupé will cost less than £28,000 when it reaches the UK next summer.

Earlier this week Autocar learned that the Japanese manufacturer was considering a £28k price tag for its coupé, which was significantly more than the £22,000 cost that had been originally expected.

Now company insiders suggest that a mid-£20k price is more likely for the 155mph rear-drive machine, which will be launched at the Tokyo motor show this week.

GT 86 is the name for the coupe in Europe, as a tribute to the Corolla Levin AE86. In Japan the new car will simply be known as ‘86’ and US models will be called FR-S and sold under Toyota’s Scion sub-brand. The rear-drive coupe had been known as FT-86 throughout its development.

Full technical details of the GT 86, which makes its world debut at this week’s Tokyo motor show alongside its co-developed Subaru BRZ sibling, reveal its 2.0-litre four-cylinder boxer engine produces 197bhp at 7000rpm and 151lb ft at 6600rpm. Top speed for the 1180kg front-engined coupe is likely to be around 155mph.

The GT 86 can be ordered with either a six-speed manual or six-speed auto gearbox, the latter being controlled via steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters. A limited-slip differential also features.

Toyota claims the GT 86’s dimensions of 4240mm in length and 1285mm in height (no width figure has been released) make it the most compact four-seater car in the world. It has an ultra-low centre of gravity, rated at just 475mm.

The powertrain and driving position have been set as low and as far back as possible to optimise balance, giving the car a 53/47 weight distribution. The GT 86 features MacPherson strut front suspension and rear double wishbone suspension, and will ride on 17in wheels.

 

[Centurion]

Pricing is the cliff hanger as the car must be comfortably under £28k to fend off car buyers ogling a 1-series Coupe.

The 135i M is(306hp): £31,000
The 125i M is(218hp): £26,000

 

[Poverty]

I could write a 2000 volume encyclopedia on how design is subjective, but I'll leave it at just that. If you don't like it, fine, but to say those of us who think it's fine are blind is purely wrong.

One thing I don't get right now is what the f__k is the deal with all the hate on Japanese cars? It's a cheap RWD coupe, yet everyone is bashing it like it's a F__king M3 competitor.

The issue is that at 28k stirling its not cheap, and its on paper specs is below par with a low cost interior to boot. 18k and it would make sense.

 

[Poverty]

"Totally blind or totally mad (no offence)"...right. Let's stop pretending that you do not intend offence, since it's pretty obvious that you do. As styling is subjective, you're going to have to accept that some will like the way it looks.
Wait, why are you placing the TT on a pedestal when you hate 2+2's as a principle? Is it because one of these cars is Japanese while the other is German?
The BMW 1M saw the RS3 off pretty well on a wet track (5th Gear) and so did the E46 M3 against the S4 of the day (Autocar). For the typical driver, it may be safer, yes, but it's not automatically faster under skilled hands. And if you're by yourself on a winding road (which represents probably 99% of real-world driving conditions), what would it matter if another car is a bit faster anyway?
Let's be honest now. Despite all those things you listed in favor of the car (semi-reasonable price, RWD, manual gearbox, n/a, Japanese design/reliability), you simply don't get any of those things if you don't get this car. Even Honda won't give you an S2000 nowadays, so why cry about it?


Just because a Megane might look better by on-paper stats, that doesn't make another car pointless. Not everyone wants a Miata. The nerve of Toyota/Subaru to develop something clearly different! What, do they suddenly think people want variety or something? BTW, I don't think anyone on this forum even knows if a hotter variant might come down the line anyway.
As for the talk about the Supra, I don't think Toyota wants to repeat how poorly that car fared in the market near the end of its life, at which point it was knocking on $50k (hardly within the realm of affordability for college grads and equivalent to $66k in today's money).

the scooby version actually looks cool though. Shame about the weedy engine though.

The supra was a halo car even if it didnt sell well. Its still highly desirable to this day.

 

[NarutoRamen]

The issue is that at 28k stirling its not cheap, and its on paper specs is below par with a low cost interior to boot. 18k and it would make sense.

Once again, on paper MANY cars seem like crap and that interior seems fine to me. Hell, the standard interior for 1er is pretty damn horrid and plasticky, I don't see people crying about that car. Honestly, the main issue that this car is running against is that people think that since it's japanese it should be considerably lower than european cars.

 

[Levi68]

Pricing is the cliff hanger as the car must be comfortably under £28k to fend off car buyers ogling a 1-series Coupe.

The 135i M is(306hp): £31,000
The 125i M is(218hp): £26,000

What? Here in France a 125i costs 35.500 €.

 

[Centurion]

What? Here in France a 125i costs 35.500 €.

Anything wrong with that?