5 Series (G60) [Official] The New BMW 5 Series (G60)


The BMW G60 is the eighth generation of the BMW 5 Series. Body styles: G60 (sedan), G61 (wagon/estate), G68 (LWB sedan). Predecessor: 5 Series (G30). Production: 2023-
For the official press release news - World Premiere: The New BMW 5 Series Sedan, see World Premiere: The New BMW 5 Series Sedan
Does it come without leather? that has nothing to do with quality, it will be an optional later surely

There's a fully vegan option, and seemingly no extended leather option. I agree it's not necessarily reflective of quality, and the fact it's not an even an option makes me wonder if it's even about cost saving. BMW have made it clear that they want the future to be 'sustainable', and less leather would seem to be part of that - so it could just be a choice the company has taken on behalf the customer... I'm certainly no leather fetishist, but I can see why it wouldn't be popular with some customers.
 
I must admit that the quality feel of the interior of G60 DOES feel less upmarket than that of G30. I had the opportunity for a closed room preview of the G60 and owned a G30 myself. Whether G60 was a preproduction car or items like leather(-like) dashboard/ doors are offered at a later stage, I don’t know but for know the difference is noticeable. Funds go to development of electric cars obviously but BMW should be careful not to lose reputation as a quality brand just like Audi did.
It was pretty clear just looking at the pictures. You only need to see the lack of trim insertions across the dash or the door panels.
The area in which leather is inserted in the doors is way smaller too.

It all gives the impression of a cheaper interior.
 
It seems to be en vogue, that the latest model line is inferior to it’s predecessor. Mercedes S W223 and C W206 are good examples.
Of course. However, I have a better opinion about the attention BMW gives to its interiors compared to MB.

This seems to be changing now.
 
Of course. However, I have a better opinion about the attention BMW gives to its interiors compared to MB.

This seems to be changing now.
I’ve never had that, better, opinion about BMW.

Whatever that may be, BMW and Mercedes are in the same boat. That boat being Germany, with it’s absurd cost of energy, the ridiculous high costs of manpower and a non-industrial friendly government, to put it mildly. More so than ever, both have to cut costs wherever they can, there’s no way around it. That’s starting to show.
Both have already phased out production capacity and development out of Germany to other countries and will do more so in future. In the meantime, customers, especially the European, are paying very high prices for rather mediocre (new 5 series, apparently and new C class, for sure) products.
 
Whatever that may be, BMW and Mercedes are in the same boat. That boat being Germany, with it’s absurd cost of energy, the ridiculous high costs of manpower and a non-industrial friendly government, to put it mildly. More so than ever, both have to cut costs wherever they can, there’s no way around it. That’s starting to show.
Both have already phased out production capacity and development out of Germany to other countries and will do more so in future. In the meantime, customers, especially the European, are paying very high prices for rather mediocre (new 5 series, apparently and new C class, for sure) products.

There's going to be more of the same in the near future. Whilst the pace of the underlying technology of a car is moving so quickly, I don't see the manufacturers investing the time and the resources on the 'finer' things, at least not without an even further inflated price, and I also imagine that they'll seek to further differentiate themselves using aspects that are less related to 'old money', and that's going to result in decisions that the more traditional buyer may struggle to agree with (accepting of course the influence of different market tastes).
 
There's going to be more of the same in the near future. Whilst the pace of the underlying technology of a car is moving so quickly, I don't see the manufacturers investing the time and the resources on the 'finer' things, at least not without an even further inflated price, and I also imagine that they'll seek to further differentiate themselves using aspects that are less related to 'old money', and that's going to result in decisions that the more traditional buyer may struggle to agree with (accepting of course the influence of different market tastes).
Agreed.
Could you please give some examples of the aspects you are thinking of, less related to old money the manufacturers seek to further differentiate themselves? Are you thinking of aspects like the vegan upholstery in the new 5er?
 
Could you please give some examples of the aspects you are thinking of, less related to old money the manufacturers seek to further differentiate themselves? Are you thinking of aspects like the vegan upholstery in the new 5er?

Yeah, I think that's one specific example that's representative of a push towards more progressive and sustainable material choices. Agree or not with the ethical choices, but if an increasing number of people want to buy into the warm & fuzzy feeling they get from believing (sometimes right, sometimes wrongly) that what they're buying is better for the environment and life on this planet, versus the warm & fuzzy feeling that sinking into a car interior where a leather trimmed steering column exists, then some manufacturers will obviously seek to exploit that.

I'm not suggesting that BMW are the only ones going down this route, but it's the easiest for me to give examples of. So, take for example BMW project-i, on the surface it was about electrification, but from the inception of the MCV (which became the i3), they were pressing home the sustainability aspects of material, design and manufacturing choices all the way back in 2012, and the Vision iCircular is further pressing home the point 10 years later, and here we are with a vegan 5 series option.

Beyond that one element though, consider the evolution from customisation of cars (exterior colours, different woods and trim colours), to personalisation of cars (extended options where you're changing the form of the car, things like M-performance parts for example - they may be easy to hate, but you can get an M3 from the factory that looks very different to the M3 next door) or enhanced personalisation such as 'Mini Yours' where 3D printed parts are made specifically for your car, with your name on them... to the future, where it's gone beyond personalisation (... this is mine), to personification (... this is my friend), with digital assistants, that are growing beyond simple voice interaction, to fully blown 'characters'.

Two of those examples are based around MINI, but at the other end of the spectrum, Rolls-Royce, perhaps the ultimate in customisation and personalisation, showed their Next 100 concept, and they didn't focus on those things, nor the materials, nor extreme luxury, but on having a car with which you formed a personal bond, as you might your own chauffeur.

Taking the Next 100 cars in 2016 as a jumping off point, the MINI allowed for simple images to be displayed in the exterior panels for personalisation purposes, and here we are several years later, with e-Ink exteriors then showing up on the iX iFlow, and further enhanced in full colour on the Dee. Linking back to the R-R Next100, the Dee also focuses on being a 'digital companion', and we're seeing 'Spike' in the Mini.

Even going back as far as the GINA concept, whether or not you perceive the ideas as novelties and gimmicks, the underlying drive is to make a car that you bond with more like a pet or a person, than a piece of furniture that's available in a range of fabrics... it's a living thing more than it's an inanimate object.

Refinement of an inanimate object to the nth degree may be less valued than a car being personified as a friend, and traditional markers of quality or luxury such as wood, leather, and chrome (for example, which falls in and out of favour), disappear in favour of perhaps more vulgar, but emotionally inspiring personalisation. A combination of both has existed for a long time, for those of fabulous wealth. People can criticise the likes of the Boat tail, or the Sweptail from Rolls-Royce, as being gaudy, vulgar, outdated are just flat out ugly, but the truly luxurious aspect of these cars has never really been about the looks, materials or price - it's been about getting something entirely unique... it's a reflection of the customer that no options list can compete with.

I'm not saying any of this is objectively better or worse, or right or wrong, and my preferences lay somewhere in the middle. I don't really care about wood or leather that much in principle, so long as it looks good, but I absolutely love the idea of a bespoke Phantom with a gallery commission. I don't want the automotive equivalent of clippy the f#cking paperclip bothering me when I'm driving down to the shops, but a completely customisable interface that happens to talk at me like it's John Steed from the Avengers, that might be nice.

Sorry for the long post, I was trying to be specific, if failing.
 
Very interesting post with lots of food for thought @Matski 🍻
The thought of driving a car with more or less unique interface, to only pick up one of your thoughts, is quite thrilling. Oh and by the way, I’d opt for Joanna Lumley talking to me, as Patsy Stone 😉
 
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No I6 diesel announced as far as I know, I6 for Europe will 550e PHEV, Spring 2024. US gets 540i MHEV 6 cylinder, but I don't think that's for the EU.
Because there is a 740d, I was thinking the 5er would get a I6 diesel as well. As far as I know, the 530d of the past generation was selling rather good. So maybe BMW want to continue that. If it doesn’t come with a I6 diesel, I would miss it; belongs somehow to the 5 series.
 
Can we expect the double bubble (scaloped) roof on the new m5? none of the prototypes show it. Not even the new M3 has it.

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old M5 did have it during final testing.

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Not early on though.

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Maybe the M5 will follow M3 and have a flat roof?
 
Can we expect the double bubble (scaloped) roof on the new m5? none of the prototypes show it. Not even the new M3 has it.

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old M5 did have it during final testing.

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Not early on though.

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Maybe the M5 will follow M3 and have a flat roof?
The Roof lines on M3 and M4 follow the centre lines of the bonnet.
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Americans still desire a Sunroof option too.
 
For the official press release news - World Premiere: The New BMW 5 Series Sedan, see World Premiere: The New BMW 5 Series Sedan

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Bayerische Motoren Werke AG, abbreviated as BMW is a German multinational manufacturer of luxury vehicles and motorcycles headquartered in Munich, Bavaria, Germany. The company was founded in 1916 as a manufacturer of aircraft engines, which it produced from 1917 to 1918 and again from 1933 to 1945.
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