5 Series (G60) [Official] The New BMW 5 Series (G60)

[dalab]

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[SKY]

I don't know why you say this, condescension is rude, I understand that two or three here are excited because they found a negative video of the car but try to control yourself a little

I did not found anything. Someone else posted it. I just commented on it. You acused me of inventing things and I provided exact quotes.

You can play with language as much a you want. Anyone watching the video and with a minimum objectivity can understand what Harry means.

There are several other negative stuff the highlights, which you have also conviniently dismissed. Just as with any negative stuff posted about this or any other BMW.

But this is hardly news.

Edit: And having to quickly go and post other reviews that speak well about the G60 is just…

 

[dalab]

I did not found anything. Someone else posted it. I just commented on it. You acused me of inventing things and I provided exact quotes.

You can play with language as much a you want. Anyone watching the video and with a minimum objectivity can understand what Harry means.

There are several other negative stuff the highlights, which you have also conviniently dismissed. Just as with any negative stuff posted about this or any other BMW.

But this is hardly news.

Edit: And having to quickly go and post other reviews that speak well about the G60 is just…

Again, you try to undermine a person for the opinion they have beyond any objectivity, it is an ugly personal resource on your part, which I already mentioned before.

Harry doesn't like it, but Autoexpress (I just posted it) thought it was the best in its class. Also read the previous one from automotorundsport, or are the ones that speak well, which are almost all of them, not worth it?

What you quoted is not accurate to the meaning of the terms used, just that, no one is fighting or defending anything else.

Edit: And having to quickly go and post other reviews that speak well about the G60 is just…

You were quick to highlight Harry's words, isn't that hilarious, drooling over the first negative test?

The ones I posted were published just today, you can go to the link and see the date, but if that amuses you, good for you, enjoy

 

[klier]

@SKY your obsession with Dalab is off the charts. For the sake of the forum just mute him and put him on ignore.

Anyways.... I fully agree with Harry. I can't get over the fact that BMW most important and beloved car (YES THE 5ER!) turns out to be the worst in the entire line up. I still can't wrap my head around it. My dear, dear 5er. Is nothing sacred anymore for Pete's sake?

Sad times for BMW fans at the moment. And even sadder times for 5er fans, which I very much am.
So basically, the NK 5er can't come soon enough. The abomination ought to be replaced by an entirely new car come facelift time on the NK platform. And if they want to sell an ICE 5er next to that they should revert back to the G30 honestly.

I also have little hope for the M5 when the base platform is such a convoluted mess.

 

[Matski]

Anyone watching the video and with a minimum objectivity can understand what Harry means.

FWIW the bottom line is he thinks it doesn't live up to the price tag - but 'cheap' looking fixtures and fittings don't necessarily imply poor fit and finish. Something can be impeccably made, and still look/be cheap - while the opposite is also true, something can look expensive and be badly made. Harry's point is very clearly that BMW are charging a lot of money for something that seemingly didn't cost them a lot of money - you cannot accurately infer anything about actual quality from that.

I've not watched the video, if Harry said it's badly made, that would be a separate issue, and also poor form given the price. BMW could have gold plated exactly the same part, it would objectively be a lot more expensive, subjectively it could look more expensive or look cheaper, and functionally it would likely be worse on account of durability.

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times (and might well have done), the terminology frequently used here around automotive quality is pretty meaningless, even among native English speakers.

 

[klier]

y said it's badly made, that would be a separate issue, and also poor form given the price.

The iDrive controller part squeaks, has flex and is the same unit as a simple FWD 1er econobox. He didn't find it a good look.

For the rest, he does not complain. or even mentions the quality of materials. He simply is thoroughly annoyed the whole expansive UI, and the gimmicky digital art nonsense and lit up light bars.

Basically, for Harry:

1) Too expensive
2) Too heavy
3) Not efficient
4) Poor range

 

[dalab]

is the same unit as a simple FWD 1er econobox.

No actually, it's a completely new design also with different material

 

[SKY]

You were quick to highlight Harry's words, isn't that hilarious, drooling over the first negative test?

The ones I posted were published just today, you can go to the link and see the date, but if that amuses you, good for you, enjoy

In the same way I have said I like the car. Isn’t it more hilarious that someone is unable to say a single negative thing about a company? Or that argues with anyone that is able to do it?

@Matski I know. It’s a BMW, it’s not going to be Citroen cheap on the inside. The point has been raised in other reviews as well. All German manufacturers are doing the same. So it’s hardly a surprise.

@klier, I hardly look after any interactions with these kind of posters. But, as you can see, they cannot avoid open up silly debates. Or acusing you of inventing stuff. Which is worse.

 

[GTA45E]

Anyways.... I fully agree with Harry. I can't get over the fact that BMW most important and beloved car (YES THE 5ER!) turns out to be the worst in the entire line up. I still can't wrap my head around it. My dear, dear 5er. Is nothing sacred anymore for Pete's sake?

Sad times for BMW fans at the moment. And even sadder times for 5er fans, which I very much am.
So basically, the NK 5er can't come soon enough. The abomination ought to be replaced by an entirely new car come facelift time on the NK platform. And if they want to sell an ICE 5er next to that they should revert back to the G30 honestly.

I also have little hope for the M5 when the base platform is such a convoluted mess.

Agree 100%
The glowing reviews are for those "new-generation" fans who love the direction BMW has taken. This new 5er has steered away from what BMW stood for in the past as a laser-focused driving tool. It is aimed at the Chinese market for sure as it is too luxurious, artificial, and fluffy IMO.
There should have been a balance with the hard-core traditionalist in the overall design process.

It is just a polarizing time for BMW.

 

[dalab]

In the same way I have said I like the car. Isn’t it more hilarious that someone is unable to say a single negative thing about a company? Or that argues with anyone that is able to do it?

Nobody argued with you, you were wrong in the terminology used and I highlighted it just like Matski and that results in inventing arguments that are not such.

I hardly look after any interactions with these kind of posters.

What kind of "poster" are you, one better than the rest?

 

[SKY]

Agree 100%
The glowing reviews are for those "new-generation" fans who love the direction BMW has taken. This new 5er has steered away from what BMW stood for in the past as a laser-focused driving tool. It is aimed at the Chinese market for sure as it is too luxurious, artificial, and fluffy IMO.
There should have been a balance with the hard-core traditionalist in the overall design process.

It is just a polarizing time for BMW.

I would rather say that the entire brand has moved one step in the ladder. The 5er is now what the 7er used to be. It’s a true boat. So for those wanting a more driver-focused experience, the 3er remains the best option. The G20 must be close to the E39 in size.

The pitty is the polarizing design. It’s hard to nail it when your platform is compromised as it tries to suit all kind of drivetrains. And, on top of it, BMW has been experimenting a lot with its design lately.

The solution of all this remains what Harry hints in the video: Neue Klasse.

 

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[klier]

"Your journey just got elevated. Get ready for the M model of the new BMW i5 Touring, 100% electric."

I mean, it quite literally did get elevated in the new 5er. I blame the double floor lol

 

[Matski]

Basically, for Harry:

1) Too expensive
2) Too heavy
3) Not efficient
4) Poor range

So basically, the NK 5er can't come soon enough.

In a recent test, the i5 was cheaper, lighter and more economical than the dedicated platform EQE - it also stopped better, went quicker, was faster through the slalom, and was quieter through nearly all the speed range. There's little reason to believe that NK will necessarily solve the issues Harry has with the car, it's entirely possible they arrive at the same issues as Mercedes did - and it's entirely possible - if not demonstrably probable - that the production Neue Klasse cars will not look anything like as good as the concept did either.

I'm looking forward to NK too, but I think it's important to not build unrealistic expectations.

 

[klier]

I'm looking forward to NK too, but I think it's important to not build unrealistic expectations.

They're completely sky high at this point. Nothing is stopping my hype train.

 

[SKY]

In a recent test, the i5 was cheaper, lighter and more economical than the dedicated platform EQE - it also stopped better, went quicker, was faster through the slalom, and was quieter through nearly all the speed range. There's little reason to believe that NK will necessarily solve the issues Harry has with the car, it's entirely possible they arrive at the same issues as Mercedes did - and it's entirely possible - if not demonstrably probable - that the production Neue Klasse cars will not look anything like as good as the concept did either.

I'm looking forward to NK too, but I think it's important to not build unrealistic expectations.

But how many of those issues in the EQE are due to MB’s poor job with its EV line up?

I would say a dedicated platform done right will for sure improve things. Proof is, the best EVs run on a dedicated platform.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

In a recent test, the i5 was cheaper, lighter and more economical than the dedicated platform EQE - it also stopped better, went quicker, was faster through the slalom, and was quieter through nearly all the speed range. There's little reason to believe that NK will necessarily solve the issues Harry has with the car, it's entirely possible they arrive at the same issues as Mercedes did - and it's entirely possible - if not demonstrably probable - that the production Neue Klasse cars will not look anything like as good as the concept did either.

I'm looking forward to NK too, but I think it's important to not build unrealistic expectations.

Well I think we can all agree that the EQE is bad.
But that doesn't make the i5 good.

Also I'm pretty sure the EQE 53 has a lot more power and is a lot faster than the i5 M60.

More broadly, the i5 and EQ-series cars suffer from very obvious first-generation problems. A proper dedicated EV platform will probably still be heavy, unless lighter battery technology comes to bear, but it should also be physically smaller, whilst having greater interior volume.

 

[Cashmere]

I closely follow Harry’s channel and I have never seen a more negative review of a car.

Ironically, the last time I saw Harry disappointed with a car, it was also an electric BMW, (the i4 he reviewed on his channel). There's a lot of overlap in the criticisms and I'm assuming this elevated disappointment is a result of BMW not listening.

 

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[dalab]

Ironically, the last time I saw Harry disappointed with a car, it was also an electric BMW, (the i4 he reviewed on his channel). There's a lot of overlap in the criticisms and I'm assuming this elevated disappointment is a result of BMW not listening.

Well, at BMW they must not be able to hear him, too busy counting the money from the huge sales of the i4 you mention, which has proven to be a much appreciated favorite among the people, public opinion and especially buyers, lots of buyers, so maybe Harry......