Model X [Official] Tesla Model X

[LaArtist]

Any info to backup your claim? EVO magazine drove the Tesla Model S across the snowy Norway without any problems. There are SUV for the rough conditions such as the G-class, Land Cruiser, and there are the city based SUV such as the X5, ML, which are clearly the targeted by the Tesla Model X.


All that can be said to ICE vehicles as well, if your vehicle is going to break down, it will break down, ICE or electric. Failed fuel pump, frozen fluid..etc etc.

Must say that ive seen videos of owners in Norway reporting that it drops range when its cold.
So his argument holds some merit.

Also
http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-...test/2013-tesla-model-s-real-world-range.html

 

[Monster]

Must say that ive seen videos of owners in Norway reporting that it drops range when its cold.
So his argument holds some merit.

I suspect the drivers have the heater on, and the systems designed to keep the batteries at its operating temperature are working at higher capacity as well?

Also
http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-...test/2013-tesla-model-s-real-world-range.html

To be fair the real world range can't really be reliably predicted, just like the battery in my phone, it will say it has 12 hours left, but after heavy useage, it will say it has around 6 h left.

 

[martinbo]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

By no means is this technology 100% viable to the extent of the ubiquity-of-application that present-day ICE technology provides. Realistically, to name some (but not all) :

• current electric automotive technology is in its infancy and lacks maturity
• it is a long way off from being globally relevant
• it's unproven in the long term from a battery life perspective
• electric car application is limited relative to the plethora of applications currently catered for by ICE-based engineering and tech

But the fact remains: electric cars are exciting and set to play a much greater role in the future.

 

[Monster]

Tesla offers 10 year warranty for their batteries, and their cars are designed in a way that the batteries can be easily swap for an upgraded unit.

The automotive industry will need to adapt to the electric drive, and what better way it is to have a new comer, lead by the genius visionary, to bring in new approaches to solve existing problems.

 

[MikeJ]

On my way home from work, I was driving behind a Model S taxi. I suppose at least some people have faith in their technology functioning in colder climates.

As for the Model X, I see those doors being a problem in the winter. They might work in the cold, but snow is going to be an issue in more ways than one.

 

[LaArtist]

I also saw a taxi model S the other day.

Monster and Martin , no one in their right mind would diss the Electric system.
It has huge potential, and i applaud tesla for being unknown and still showing the way.
But they can't have my money yet, and a pure electric car from any brand can't have my money yet. For the reasons you stated, you should be able to use the cars AC and all systems and still get descent range out of it. I think that we will be able to in the future.
For now i think the really nice option are Hybrids, for eg the Porsche E hybrids, they are amazing.
And you can fuel up once needed to continue your trip. Also you get to make some sound and pollute the air abit, and we petrolheads appreciate such things..haha

 

[Marc-1]

You can live with electric cars in sunshine states with sufficient superchargers. You can't live with electric cars in US winter, as the last one. Winter storms causes power outages for days. Supercharger were buried under some meter of snow. Only ICE cars can withstand these severe conditions. You'll realise the immense value of an AWD with 35 gallon fuel tank, bringing kids safely home. My point is, that developping an SUV, which isn't, looks at the characteristics of an SUV, don't make sense.
BTW, test at -7°C found 150 miles range, driven on flat tarmac, not driven through US cold winter snow (Model S).

The automotive industry will need to adapt to the electric drive,

Why, because of CO2?
Cleaner than what? Why an electric car may be much dirtier than a petrol one
http://www.economist.com/news/scien...r-may-be-much-dirtier-petrol-one-cleaner-what

 

[Monster]

You can live with electric cars in sunshine states with sufficient superchargers. You can't live with electric cars in US winter, as the last one. Winter storms causes power outages for days. Supercharger were buried under some meter of snow. Only ICE cars can withstand these severe conditions. You'll realise the immense value of an AWD with 35 gallon fuel tank, bringing kids safely home. My point is, that developping an SUV, which isn't, looks at the characteristics of an SUV, don't make sense.
BTW, test at -7°C found 150 miles range, driven on flat tarmac, not driven through US cold winter snow (Model S).
Why, because of CO2?
Cleaner than what? Why an electric car may be much dirtier than a petrol one
http://www.economist.com/news/scien...r-may-be-much-dirtier-petrol-one-cleaner-what

Tesla isn't for everyone, and there are plenty of options out there to cover every possible needs. There may well be parts of the world that is not suitable to own a Tesla, but for the rest of the world, countries like Australia for example, owning a Tesla is a realistic prospect.

The electric car offers packaging benefits, mechanical simplicity and refinements that ICE cars struggles to match, an no please don't say RR Phantom or S class coupe is quieter than any Tesla.

Tesla certainly doesn't have the answer or the solution for everything either, but it represents the start of the next phase of automotive evolution, don't shift the blame on electric cars being dirtier than petrol cars when the energy sector has been resisting change for the better. Tesla also offers their power wall which allows owner to store energy collected from their home solar panels, and recharge the batteries of their car when needed.

It will take another 10 years or so of development, both in automotive and battery technology, and in power supply and charging infrastructure before electric cars become widely accepted.

Other automotive companies have had various failed attempts, so far Tesla is the only one offering viable solutions.

 

[sanpt7777]

This is not really something I'd call good looking, but Tesla is the future. This is what I consider the future of the daily driver. Teslas are the perfect cars, something I also happen to think of Volvos.

They are safe, fast, comfortable and practical. Tesla is taking all of this to the next level, and this is what I consider the best thing for the future of both society and the ICE. Why? We all win with cleaner cars, it's good to breathe clean air and have cars with less parts and less fluids, but also, ICE will probably become a thing aimed mainly for the enthusiast (in cars, obviously), hence we will probably get the best ICEs in the future when they don't have to cut costs in their manufacture. Hopefully there will be a price tag for every pocket tho

EDIT: I'm talking about a couple of decades from now, before anyone rants

 

[sanpt7777]

I also saw a taxi model S the other day.

Monster and Martin , no one in their right mind would diss the Electric system.
It has huge potential, and i applaud tesla for being unknown and still showing the way.
But they can't have my money yet, and a pure electric car from any brand can't have my money yet. For the reasons you stated, you should be able to use the cars AC and all systems and still get descent range out of it. I think that we will be able to in the future.
For now i think the really nice option are Hybrids, for eg the Porsche E hybrids, they are amazing.
And you can fuel up once needed to continue your trip. Also you get to make some sound and pollute the air abit, and we petrolheads appreciate such things..haha

Weird. I would put my money on a Tesla, but would skip the hybrid tbh. If I'm going to burn fuel, I think it's more eco friendly to buy an old car or build a used car (E39 with the hated LS engine comes to my mind) and drive it efficiently. I know this is not a viable option for a lot of people, but if I had the $$ for a hybrid, I sure as hell would be able to afford building my own car.

This is not to disagree with you, your points are valid. Just saying I think this would work better for me. I like old cars and I like the V8 rumble


You guys may find this interesting. For me, the Tesla is the kind of car I want my neighbors to drive. Anyone who doesn't care for cars, for that matter. That's not to say an electric car can't be enjoyed by an enthusiast, so please don't get me wrong. But I'd still go with the Cat:

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EDIT: Sorry for derailing the subject. I forget.

 

[Marc-1]

But that is not the entire truth of the matter, here is the other half:
'700 HP' Tesla Models S P85D vs only about half the power BMW M4

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[martinbo]

Consider the pace of aviation development in the 20th century; from fixed prop biplanes in the 1910's to jet-powered prototypes in the late '30s and jet fighters entering combat service toward the end of WWII. From Sopwith Camel to Me262 in just 30 years. Fûck sakes!

Automotive progress in comparison is recalcitrant. Notice how early jet planes were slower than their piston-engined contemporaries for some time. And then the Me262 came along and blew away all notions of piston-engined superiority. I'm not saying it's going to happen - I'm no soothsayer.

My points:
- At first jet-engine technology was deemed inferior and incapable of delivering the desired performance results.
- Given the comparatively slow progress in automobile technology, these are still very early days for electric cars relatively speaking.

 

[DjordjeC63]

Looks like an egg.

 

[sanpt7777]

Consider the pace of aviation development in the 20th century; from fixed prop biplanes in the 1910's to jet-powered prototypes in the late '30s and jet fighters entering combat service toward the end of WWII. From Sopwith Camel to Me262 in just 30 years. Fûck sakes!

Automotive progress in comparison is recalcitrant. Notice how early jet planes were slower than their piston-engined contemporaries for some time. And then the Me262 came along and blew away all notions of piston-engined superiority. I'm not saying it's going to happen - I'm no soothsayer.

My points:
- At first jet-engine technology was deemed inferior and incapable of delivering the desired performance results.
- Given the comparatively slow progress in automobile technology, these are still very early days for electric cars relatively speaking.

But also consider that batteries are the weak link, usually, and they have a vast field of applications. So it's safe to say, the way technology is starting to up it's pace (see computer's and Moore's law not necessarily applying anymore) maybe this weak link could get a boost and so the power and range would grow even more. So maybe the progress would be not so slow.

Also, hybrid tech is just the bridge to go fully electric. I think Tesla is scaring manufacturers a bit, and this competition will benefit the electric car, as others will want their piece of the cake in the market. So maybe the progress will not be so slow. 20 years and maybe 30% of cars will be electric. That's my guess.

 

[sanpt7777]

But that is not the entire truth of the matter, here is the other half:
'700 HP' Tesla Models S P85D vs only about half the power BMW M4

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That M4 looks way too fast, I guess from a rolling start, when the ICE is working more efficiently the handicap vs. the Tesla's broad torque curve is smaller? The advantage is at the start of a drag race and going from 0-60.

 

[Sunny]

Oh wow, I know few non-English speaking members have said GCF has helped their English. But I never realized it was this effective - in the span of just few posts, this individual's English went from this broken gibberish -

Emissions at max power, I don't want to check, fuel consumption either. Out of the maximum power, you will not find water inside the engine.

or this

So, Model X is a nice driving something special, in the summer, avoiding rough conditions.

to this fluid articulate sentence -

But that is not the entire truth of the matter, here is the other half:

Freaking amazing! Well done GCF and congrats @Marc-1.

As for Model X, it sucks. Electric is in the past. TDI is the future!!

 

[Gianclaudio]

Freaking amazing! Well done GCF and congrats @Marc-1.

As for Model X, it sucks. Electric is in the past. TDI is the future!!

I've a few very nice cousins and nieces, besides my sisters, gf and Arnoud's sister, Sunny

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Tech may be impressive, but the that's no excuse for the fact it looks like a Jag has mated with a Ssanyong.

 

[SDNR]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

By no means is this technology 100% viable to the extent of the ubiquity-of-application that present-day ICE technology provides. Realistically, to name some (but not all) :

• current electric automotive technology is in its infancy and lacks maturity
• it is a long way off from being globally relevant
• it's unproven in the long term from a battery life perspective
• electric car application is limited relative to the plethora of applications currently catered for by ICE-based engineering and tech

But the fact remains: electric cars are exciting and set to play a much greater role in the future.

OMFG!

You obviously work for Big Oil!
Do you really hate the planet that much Martin?

....and what about the dolphins? ....THE DOLPHINS MARTIN?

 

[Marc-1]

Freaking amazing! Well done GCF and congrats @Marc-1.

As for Model X, it sucks. Electric is in the past. TDI is the future!!

You are right, diesel engines will disappear. In future, Kenworths and Peterbilts with integrated Li-ion battery with 4000 kWh capacity will transport loads over 1 or 2 miles?

Model X is the future. Ideal SUV for rough environments, mud terrain, offroad and snow; seems to be made for the tundra. Range in the land of stretching blue skies on flat tarmac: 280 miles, mud and snow: 28 miles.