Model 3 [Official] Tesla Model 3

[kiki voinea]

a. Are you saying if I register an M5 in Europe, I have to state the actual HP it makes and not the manufacrer's understated ~600 whatever HP?

b. Even if so, what we have now is the equivalent of 455HP - a published number. Maybe later when the car is registered in Europe we will have the new actual HP. Almost reviews say the new car makes "22 percent in continuous power, 32 percent in peak power, and 16 percent in peak torque".

Wait for the new vs old videos comparing the power....This will make light

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Good to see that Tesla finally understands that horsepower is not the only thing that is important in a sporty car, they have now learnt that upgraded suspension is also important. If they could start removing all functions from the stupid screen and give us back physical buttons and stalks, maybe I could begin to like this brand….

 

[klier]

a. Are you saying if I register an M5 in Europe, I have to state the actual HP

Absolutely not. More like the minimum. Like you said, brands often downplay the actual power.

 

[mini_cooper4]

a. Are you saying if I register an M5 in Europe, I have to state the actual HP it makes and not the manufacturer's understated ~600 whatever BMW claims?

b. Even if so, what we have now is the equivalent of 455HP - a published number. Maybe later when the car is registered in Europe we will have the new actual HP. Reviews say the new car makes "22 percent in continuous power, 32 percent in peak power, and 16 percent in peak torque". Maybe Tesla is lying but I am sure someone will dyno it soon enough.

No, the 513HP/PS comes from Tesla.
It's not down to the customer registering the car to determine the power. Every new model launching in a certain EU market needs to be "pre-registered" with authorities by the importer and then every unit sold has to have documentation for customer registration which in most cases states weight, power etc.

 

[TopspeedPT]

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[Centurion]

^^
Why the discrepancy in performance?

 

[Tuffode]

^^
Why the discrepancy in performance?

Larger packs can output more power, seems like the US pack is 3% larger and there is around 3% more power.

 

[martinbo]

Also for what it's worth, 0-60 mph isn't quite 0-100 km/h.

 

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[Matski]

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Musk hates trains, maybe it's programmed to seek and destroy!

 

[martinbo]

Didn't get the compensation he wanted? That's what's known as a missed carriage of justice.

Sorry - I can't help myself. One track mind.

 

[kiki voinea]

That is why this is in Beta , and it DOES say that YOU are in full control of the car when you activate it , and FULL attention is required .

This is why we don't deserve tech. This idiot say the train for enough time to see that the car won't stop. And still did not act , but too late.

By the way , any Tesla driver , that uses AP/FSD , knows that if the screen does not show what is in front ( in this case , the train ) , it will NOT brake.

So , you take control...

Didn't get the compensation he wanted? That's what's known as a missed carriage of justice.

"The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates."

This is right in front of any FSD buyer. Not "*" , not in the bottom of the page , not hidden . Is in plain sight.

You are told about this. If you don't act , it is just the driver's fault.

PS: I still think it's stupid that they charge that much for it . Not because I don't think it's worth it ( I would love to have FSD in Europe , even in this stage ) , but because people are too dumb to use it.

PS2: Tesla should change the title to FSD At-Your-Own-Risk , just for the sake of it...

PS3: Now Tesla offers a 30day trial. What more do you want? Don't like it , say good-bye and that's it.

 

[martinbo]

"The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates."

Thanks - I know this. I was being tongue-in-cheek, having no sympathy whatsoever for any driver that displays such reckless inattention, regardless of the level of automation. It's no different to modern airliners which are able to carry out a flight on autopilot. But if the plane crashes during the operation of autopilot - whose fault is that? That's right - the pilots'.

 

[kiki voinea]

Thanks - I know this. I was being tongue-in-cheek, having no sympathy whatsoever for any driver that displays such reckless inattention, regardless of the level of automation. It's no different to modern airliners which are able to carry out a flight on autopilot. But if the plane crashes during the operation of autopilot - whose fault is that? That's right - the pilots'.

Exactly.

Having that said , even if I am a high user of this systems , I still feel like we are far from any fully automated autopilot .

And since you have mentioned airlines , the recent news that some airlines want to only keep 1 pilot in the cockpit , is very alarming....

 

[Matski]

Tesla should change the title to FSD At-Your-Own-Risk , just for the sake of it...

I'd go with...

 

[kiki voinea]

I'd go with...

You can go with whatever you want.

The point is simple : Full Self Driving can ONLY be done with mega user data , gathered from actual FSD beta users , and all the possibilities a driver can occur .

Just like that clip above. High fog , not perpendicular train cross , slight curvature , a pretty hard scenario.

You , and others , really don't understand that human mind and it's ability to prevent things is absolutely hard to replicate....

 

[Matski]

You , and others , really don't understand that human mind and it's ability to prevent things is absolutely hard to replicate....

I think you're mistaken. I've previously put proper widespread autonomous driving adoption at after 2037 but before 2067, I've never doubted that it's difficult... this dipshit on the other hand, was faking videos to convince people it was easy, before finally admitting it wasn't.

Full Self Driving can ONLY be done with mega user data

I wouldn't disagree, but I'd also say full self driving can't ONLY be done with user data. Over reliance on probability models will give a false impression of deductive ability. You can call this guy out for not paying attention or whatever, but 22.5 Billion miles of training and this guy's car didn't realise it had to stop despite a massive object, a barrier with lights and a stop line being in the way, that is fundamental, there's no excuse for that... if you want to put liability on him then fine - but the system still failed, it failed in an unsafe manner, and him not paying attention doesn't negate that.

 

[kiki voinea]

I think you're mistaken. I've previously put proper widespread autonomous driving adoption at after 2037 but before 2067, I've never doubted that it's difficult... this dipshit on the other hand, was faking videos to convince people it was easy, before finally admitting it wasn't.

I wouldn't disagree, but I'd also say full self driving can't ONLY be done with user data. Over reliance on probability models will give a false impression of deductive ability. You can call this guy out for not paying attention or whatever, but 22.5 Billion miles of training and this guy's car didn't realise it had to stop despite a massive object, a barrier with lights and a stop line being in the way, that is fundamental, there's no excuse for that... if you want to put liability on him then fine - but the system still failed, it failed in an unsafe manner, and him not paying attention doesn't negate that.

Don't quote Elon. By this time , he is on another world (smoking or taking some pills )

Sometimes he acts like a kid , others like a moron , mostly normal...This is Elon. Take it as it is.

For me , personally , I have absolutely nothing to say against him. He is one of the very few who kept the prices of the cars at a pretty low price. Delivers many things , even if he is bonkers in others.

And mostly , he is NOT the only guy in that company , you know?

People think at him like every possible thing that happens at Tesla it is just his fault.

He has a massive team , board , directors , engineers , chiefs , etc etc etc. He can't be present in every decision made at Tesla .

By the way , here is a free trick I will share with you:

When you see a article online , and you have 2-3 extra minutes available , click on the publisher/author , to see his other articles.

Why am I saying that?

Because this days , most media is over paid by "the big" . And I always take any "news" with a grain of salt .

This Andrew J Hawkins , if you click on his name ( purple ) , you will see that he has ONLY bad articles about Tesla , like he has some sort of vendetta with them .

Do you know how many articles he wrote about Tesla in the PAST MONTH ? 21 ! And absolutely NONE of them are positive

Would you call that a obsession?

 

[Matski]

Would you call that a obsession?

I'd call it an irrelevant deflection...

Elon said it, it was reported by many outlets at the time, I wanted an image to use so I googled it and that was the first one that came up - that fact doesn't change even if someone's publishing 50 articles per hour on Tesla. It's representative of the facts and you're only attempting to undermining it's validity because...

I have absolutely nothing to say against him.

... rather than just accepting that the the person you have absolutely nothing to say against, is guilty of the failure in understanding that you were accusing others of (including me) as part of your defence of Tesla lack of competence.

 

[kiki voinea]

I'd call it an irrelevant deflection...

No . It's an obsession. Paid obsession. 80% of his articles are Tesla based. And not in a good way.

This is not objective. This is 100% subjective

Elon said it, it was reported by many outlets at the time, I wanted an image to use so I googled it and that was the first one that came up - that fact doesn't change even if someone's publishing 50 articles per hour on Tesla. It's representative of the facts and you're only attempting to undermining it's validity because...



... rather than just accepting that the the person you have absolutely nothing to say against, is guilty of the failure in understanding that you were accusing others of (including me) as part of your defence of Tesla lack of competence.

He is guilty of having the best sold car in Europe in March , even in this EV slowing market.

Very guilty...


PS: That "journalist" could have had , in that pool of almost daily news regarding Tesla , at least one article saying that Tesla Y is the best car sold in Europe in March...

But I guess is "irrelevant deflection"....Haha