Model 3 [Official] Tesla Model 3

[Monster]

And don't forget Tesla is a premium brand, offering premium products. At least allegedly.
It's unacceptable products with such poor fit and finish are delivered to customers.

IMO, the lack of manufacturing standards and consistency is not as much of an issue as their misleading marketing term of "Auto pilot".

It's obvious Tesla is counting on early adopters who are less critical to the product'' flaws. And therefore being able to deliver such poorly built cars.

They either don't know or don't care. It is a different type of crowd. I am still absolutely amazed by how Tesla can get away with not putting an actual mechanical interior door handle for the rear passengers.

 

[SCOTT27]

Yes BMW,Mercedes-Benz and the VAG conglomerate would never get away with that.

 

[martinbo]

Tesla, seemingly, can design the future. Sadly, they can't make it.

 

[Sunny]

To open the frunk, where the loop is located, when the vehicle has no power requires sending 12-volts to two cables found behind a plastic trim piece in the bumper (see the diagram below).

I saw that video earlier and was thinking the mechanism the guy is complaining about how to open the frunk in the case of no power is exactly the way it is on a 911/Boxster/Cayman - and probably even worse, because the contacts for jumping the frunk open is hidden inside among the other fuses - probably the last place you want to crawl back in, in the case of an emergency .

 

[Sunny]

So I was also curious about this "cat's paw" thing he complains about next because I remember long back thinking that that same bit looked particularly ugly in my GT4, so I went back and took a second look and lo and behold, it too is a 2 pieces of rubber glued together rather ungainly on to a 3rd plastic piece -

And this is on a 100k sports car vs 50k family sedan. It doesn't distract in any meaningful way from my enjoying the Porsche, and I doubt it does so for the Tesla either.

My point is, unless it is probably a RR or a Bugatti, you can take a magnifying glass to any mass produced car and find these rough edges. I had a rental F430 for a weekend, couple of years ago - it is shocking how bad the fit and finish was. Did these 2 old farts make a video about that?

And I am not trying to absolve Tesla of all it's issues (which it has many serious ones), but by picking little silly things all mass produced cars suffer from to varying degrees, people just sound bitter and frivolous.

 

[sako97]

@Sunny - to the firm's defense, their job is reverse engineer and complain if any element is not properly assembled to the standards they set. If they do consultancy work for Detroit's "big 3", then Autoline should conduct the same review with those products to add some balance. From my airport rental experience, Fiat/Chrysler products (from Dodge to Maserati) also have junk build quality.

I also spent some time with a rosso corsa F430 spider years ago... the only thing keeping it from being a total POS was the fact that it's a Ferrari. With some effort, you can break every interior knob and switch with your fingers, if they haven melted from sunlight exposure already.

The amount of cowl shake and unnecessary attention rosso corsa attracts also ruined the experience.

 

[Centurion]

What's Tesla's car rejection policy? JRL's is pretty good.

The Discovery Sport has had a litany of build quality issues - especially the early ones. I used to follow it on forums and facebook and saw that numerous people rejected their and had they swapped for new ones, occasionally the replacement had quality issues too.

 

[martinbo]

The Discovery Sport is little more than a facelifted Freelander 2.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

So I was also curious about this "cat's paw" thing he complains about next because I remember long back thinking that that same bit looked particularly ugly in my GT4, so I went back and took a second look and lo and behold, it too is a 2 pieces of rubber glued together rather ungainly on to a 3rd plastic piece -

And this is on a 100k sports car vs 50k family sedan. It doesn't distract in any meaningful way from my enjoying the Porsche, and I doubt it does so for the Tesla either.

My point is, unless it is probably a RR or a Bugatti, you can take a magnifying glass to any mass produced car and find these rough edges. I had a rental F430 for a weekend, couple of years ago - it is shocking how bad the fit and finish was. Did these 2 old farts make a video about that?

And I am not trying to absolve Tesla of all it's issues (which it has many serious ones), but by picking little silly things all mass produced cars suffer from to varying degrees, people just sound bitter and frivolous.

Thanks for the Picture. However, what Autoline is describing is that Tesla added a plastic piece to take care of wind noise, water leakage, etc. by hand after the car had left the assembly line. Porsche seems to be designed that way from the production line without hand labor.

This manual (hand) labor was cited as the #2 reason Tesla is struggling to make money on the product as the cars after leaving the production facility are just sitting around in “the lot” awaiting fixing of all quality issues. Source German Manager Magazine

I have a (31 page) 2017 Tesla Model X PDI that is confidential but I could share it via pm. The lack of quality and finishing is absolutely unimaginable. It looks much worse than what you would expect even taking into consideration tens of hours of hand fixing in the back of a plant.

*Edit: .pdf available here:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/potential-tesla-x-issues_web-2-pdf.168870/

 

[TheNewBATMAN]

Thanks for the Picture. However, what Autoline is describing is that Tesla added a plastic piece to take care of wind noise, water leakage, etc. by hand after the car had left the assembly line. Porsche seems to be designed that way from the production line without hand labor.

This manual (hand) labor was cited as the #2 reason Tesla is struggling to make money on the product as the cars after leaving the production facility are just sitting around in “the lot” awaiting fixing of all quality issues. Source German Manager Magazine

I have a (37 page) 2017 Tesla Model X PDI that is confidential but I could share it via pm. The lack of quality and finishing is absolutely unimaginable. It looks much worse than what you would expect even taking into consideration tens of hours of hand fixing in the back of a plant.

Tristatez28lt1, I would like to have the Model X PDI by PM. Thanks

 

[tristatez28lt1]

I oversold this .pdf haha. It isn't confidential but still an interesting read:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/potential-tesla-x-issues_web-2-pdf.168870/

 

[Yaz]

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Nice. They are the ones supposed to ensure the quality of their product, not the customer at delivery.
That's why a manufacturer has hundreds of quality gates, checks, and inspections...

 

[Monster]

Tesla gave them a "hard time" for not reporting manufacturing issues at the time of delivery?? What the? Not only were these paying customers being treated with contempt, they then go back to buy another one?

Meanwhile another Tesla S owner found this "issue" with his car.

Help, A-Pillar Defect Found

 

[tristatez28lt1]

I know we're detracting from the op a bit but just look at the .pdf of the Model X. It is truly shocking to see 31 pages of (grave) quality issues with one car.

 

[EnI]

Tesla "production" is a joke ... Not only that QC isn't working properly but it's obvious the design engineers & production engineers are sub par compared to the industry average. Too much emphasis on software & drive trian development, while all other aspects seem to be completely underrated. Skipping production prototyping is an utter non-sense, and such failures on series production cars prove that. Not everything can be successfully "tested" by computer simulations only. Musk thought car production was easy and other couldn't optimize it because they were incompetent. Yeah, sure. All the know-how in more than century old car companies is incompetent & useless, and all it takes is one elon to revolutionize it. It's soooo easy. Just like hyperlooping, inter-city rocketing, inter-planetary rocketing ... All it takes is one Elon. What a megalomaniac!

 

[Sunny]

Ha, that made instantly look for one of my bookmarks I had made for things to watch out for when picking up my car - Porsche Factory Screw Up / Gap from Hood to Bumper - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums

Again, I am not knocking Porsche or absolving Tesla, it is just that Porsche happens to be the company I chose to focus my lense on (for the obvious reason I want to buy them) and the amount of issues I know of that Porsche has will flabbergast anyone but I doubt it is out of the norm for the industry, probably even far better. But if you look close enough, they are there.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

You’re making a very valid point sunny. EVERY manufacturer has problems. It’s not possible to build the perfect car. Just like in life, perfection cannot be reached.

I’m neither wearing my Porsche hat nor my Tesla hat, and objectively speaking, the gap problem with the Porsche seems to be quite different than the misalignment of the Tesla. The Tesla cannot be fixed with two ghetto towels

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that Tesla QC is worse than Porsche even though Porsche builds 2.4 times more cars than Tesla.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Tesla should hire this guys

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[DjordjeC63]

That Porsche has waaaay better gaps than this Tesla. But I understand, you have to defend honour of Tesla, whatever reason may be...