718 Boxster/Cayman (982) [Official] Porsche 718 Spyder and the 718 Cayman GT4

[mihc]

Yes, and last but not least - price increase. Will cost 100k base now. That is huge jump from 85k base. Before you could handsomely spec a car and still stay just south of 100k. But now will be close to 120k car.

Also curious what the real weight gain is. US Porsche page says curb weight of 3200 lbs (Euro page says 3130lbs). 981 GT4 was 2955 lbs. Some of...

1420kg is stated for both.

 

[mihc]

1379kg was meassured weight in sport auto supertest for the previous GT4 and 1337kg for previous Spyder.

 

[Sunny]

1420kg is stated for both.

Yes, but the Porsche US site states curb weight of 3200lbs (~1450kg). Wonder why the discrepancy.

1379kg was meassured weight in sport auto supertest for the previous GT4...

That is on the lighter side, but still consistent with real worlds 981 GT4 weights I know of when you consider options.

ps. FWIW, .2 GT3 RS with PCCB weighs 3220 lbs with full standard tank (16.9 gal). So not too far off the 3200 lbs for a GT4 with similar sized tank.

 

[boyko23]

The difference in weight comes from the new method of doing measurements. Now manufacturers aren't allowed to quote the lightest possible spec - PCCB, etc...
The real weight difference will be 30kg apples to apples...

 

[Porsche Guy]

Quibbling over a 30kg increase on a car that weighs 1350kg is comical. We have a warped perception of what constitutes a lightweight car.

While I'm not happy about any form of incremental weight gain, most cars (718 included) are not objectively light to start with.

The 718 & 911 are more GT than outright sports car. They are designed for how a majority of people will use them: casual city driving with occasional track or B road work. Nothing wrong with that. Just manage your expectations accordingly.

If you want something truly lightweight, buy an Elise or Atom.

 

[Sunny]

^I agree with you - 30kg doesn't matter. But the worrying prospect is the trend - 30kg every gen, will soon be 100kg.

ps. I would hold on to your 981 spyder tightly, probably the last sub 3000 lbs car from Porsche.

 

[LaArtist]

30kg per generation one generation 6-7 years. You might see 10 generations before you leave earth minus your years as a child.
300kg gain in weight and 7 decades of technological advancements.. to counter the weight.
Good deal !

Sometimes people get to obsessed with weight I belive. So in a protest I just returned from a visit to Burger King lol

 

[donkeykong]

It seems a PDK option will be available in late 2020 for both.

 

[martinbo]

It seems a PDK option will be available in late 2020 for both.

Makes sense, too many lost prospects otherwise.

 

[Sunny]

PDK info on right top corner.

Also read RS version later and possibly a non GT version with 6 cyl - 718/6 ala 914/6. Not sure how accurate any of this is.

 

[rollo]

Makes sense that Porsche would find a way to get the 6 cyl back into the mainstream 718 lineup. From what I can tell, the 4 cyl change adversely affected sales, at least in the states.

 

[boyko23]

It's good to learn from mistakes, unlike many other companies .

 

[martinbo]

Nothing really will change though. The 982 mainstream models will remain turbo fours.

 

[donkeykong]

Nothing really will change though. The 982 mainstream models will remain turbo fours.

I can foresee a touring version of the GT4 in trying to cash in on another niche,but I agree,the 4 pots are here to stay despite the abysmal sale numbers.

 

[Sunny]

Nothing really will change though. The 982 mainstream models will remain turbo fours.

Yes. Funny thing, in US at least, during the years they produced GT4, they sold more GT4 than any version of Cayman. Same applies now to GT3 - sold more GT3 than other version of 911 during the year GT3 was produced (the base Carrera 4 is rarest version, way more rarer than GT2 RS). The GT cars are actually a volume seller now, and a major profit center, not some niche halo thing they do on the side. Given that, it serves Porsche to just pump out even more higher margin GT4 to address poor 718 sales than actually fix 718.

 

[rollo]

Yes. Funny thing, in US at least, during the years they produced GT4, they sold more GT4 than any version of Cayman. Same applies now to GT3 - sold more GT3 than other version of 911 during the year GT3 was produced (the base Carrera 4 is rarest version, way more rarer than GT2 RS). The GT cars are actually a volume seller now, and a major profit center, n...

Maybe that will change if the C8 provides additional hurt. I didn't realize that the GT's sold that well. I was thinking (more like hoping) that incorporating the ability to deactivate cylinders might address the fuel economy problem and provide them with a path to reintroduce the 6 into the 718 base and S models. Probably wishful thinking I suppose.

 

[Sunny]

I didn't realize that the GT's sold that well

2018 US sales by model - GT3 is by far the most selling model. And GT3RS and GT2RS is 3rd and 4th right behind base Carrera. Of course GT3 was on sale only in 2018 and few in 2019 before production ended, so over the lifespan of 991.2, other models might catch up?

 

[Centurion]

The allocation of GT3 that the US gets is nuts. I am genuinely shocked by the low sales of the Turbo.

 

[rollo]

2018 US sales by model - GT3 is by far the most selling model. And GT3RS and GT2RS is 3rd and 4th right behind base Carrera. Of course GT3 was on sale only in 2018 and few in 2019 before production ended, so over the lifespan of 991.2, other models might catch up?

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That 911 data certainly supports Porsche opting for a GT strategy for the 718 as well. I do wonder however, if it would be as effective since this is their entry-level car?

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Even if you grouped the 911's as such

- Turbos: S and Non-S
- GT3's: GT3, GT3RS
- GT2RS
- Mainstream: Carrera, S, Carrera 4, 4S, GTS, T and those respective trims that apply to the cabrio and targa

The GT3 and GT3 RS sales numbers are impressive. Truly eye-opening.

EDIT: I guess one can classify the GT2RS as being part of the GT series car. I think that's a more accurate representation of the impact of the GT series production car program.