Utopia [Official] Pagani Utopia

[Tourbillon]

Prototype 0 - Pagani on Instagram: "Under the skin Great work by @huydrawingcars 🙌🏼 #Prototype0 #Pagani #PaganiUtopia #Utopia"

735 Likes, 3 Comments - Prototype 0 - Pagani (@prototype0official) on Instagram: "Under the skin Great work by @huydrawingcars 🙌🏼 #Prototype0 #Pagani #PaganiUtopia #Utopia"

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Art. Uncovered.

 

[Tourbillon]

Pagani Social Media. Pagani Utopia engine! AMG ofcourse.

Some talk "art" some personify it. Wow!

 

[dalab]

Pagani Social Media. Pagani Utopia engine! AMG ofcourse.

Some talk "art" some personify it. Wow!

Just making the exhaust bends should take days and days, for the personal satisfaction of the builder + extra performance and more pure sound, for the owner and the photos, because I think they are hidden from the eye...

 

[Tourbillon]

Just making the exhaust bends should take days and days, for the personal satisfaction of the builder + extra performance and more pure sound, for the owner and the photos, because I think they are hidden from the eye...

The engineering is exquisitely designed and executed! Unbelievable!

 

[martinbo]

Still a SOHC 3 valve engine though. So, mechanically, not that exquisite.

 

[LaArtist]

Still a SOHC 3 valve engine though. So, mechanically, not that exquisite.

Only you and those like you care about that , customers couldn’t give less of a f#ck.

The exhaust is made by arrow now, used to be MHG for the zonda and huayra.

 

[duesy]

Still a SOHC 3 valve engine though. So, mechanically, not that exquisite.

The disproportionate praise for this car is purely an ideological reaction. Like, some need to believe that "Pagani still exists," "meritocracy is still a thing," etc.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Still a SOHC 3 valve engine though. So, mechanically, not that exquisite.

In fact 3 valves ensure bigger opening area than 4, but different ratio between inlet and exhaust.

 

[Tourbillon]

Still a SOHC 3 valve engine though. So, mechanically, not that exquisite.

You're not wrong at all. I've never really delved into the AMG powerplants that Pagani use obviously I know there's twin turbocharged and naturally aspirated units. V12's. But when the Huyara debuted there was a reason this was so.

I've forgotten the engine designations but I believe that the 6.0 litre 4VPC DOHC engines, the naturally aspirated ones were phased out. I concede however I could be completely wrong we're talking 13 years ago.

Well it's Sunday tomorrow and I'm slowy moving away from other projects (hypercar), maybe it's time to look at them!

 

[Bridster]

In fact 3 valves ensure bigger opening area than 4, but different ratio between inlet and exhaust.

No, they don't. For 3 valves it's max 64% of the bore, while with 4 valves it's 68%.

The reason Mercedes went with 3 valves was to pass cold start emissions. With only 1 exhaust valve they could make the exhaust manifolds smaller and that got catalytic convertors up to temperature faster.

Let's face it, the engine is the car's main weakness. Not only does the 3 valve design limits revs and therefore power, the engine itself is also very heavy. 262kg dry, which is gonna be like 280kg real weight. Compare that to the 206kg of the Valkyrie V12 which also makes 150PS more, or even to the Revuelto V12, which weighs 218kg and only makes 25PS less. Not brilliant!

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

No, they don't. For 3 valves it's max 64% of the bore, while with 4 valves it's 68%.

The reason Mercedes went with 3 valves was to pass cold start emissions. With only 1 exhaust valve they could make the exhaust manifolds smaller and that got catalytic convertors up to temperature faster.

Let's face it, the engine is the car's main weakness. Not only does the 3 valve design limits revs and therefore power, the engine itself is also very heavy. 262kg dry, which is gonna be like 280kg real weight. Compare that to the 206kg of the Valkyrie V12 which also makes 150PS more, or even to the Revuelto V12, which weighs 218kg and only makes 25PS less. Not brilliant!

Why do you think that the three valves should be with equal size. Obviously you don't have enough practice with engines, because it's long known that three valves (one bigger and two small) have bigger area than any combination of four valves.

 

[Bridster]

Why do you think that the three valves should be with equal size. Obviously you don't have enough practice with engines, because it's long known that three valves (one bigger and two small) have bigger area than any combination of four valves.

If we are talking unrealistically different sizes, then the difference would be even bigger in favor of 4. Imagine a circle filled with 3 circles - however you arranged that to fill the space the best, you could always add a fourth circle somewhere and that would increase the area further. So in that scenario, more is simply always better.

Either way, the point is that a 3-valve is not a as good a design airflow wise as a 4-valve. If that's actually in dispute, then point me to some source claiming that. I actually read a lot of stuff on engine design and I have only ever seen people saying that a 4-valve flows better than a 3-valve and not once the opposite.

 

[Tourbillon]

Pagani says the Utopia could have been a 1,000bhp hybrid

Apparently AMG offered its twin-turbo, twin e-motor GT 63 unit for Pagani's latest hypercar!

Pagani says the Utopia could have been a 1,000bhp hybrid

Apparently AMG offered its twin-turbo, twin e-motor GT 63 unit for Pagani's latest hypercar

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"Horacio Pagani has revealed that the Utopia could have used a 1,000bhp hybrid V8 instead of the V12. In initial discussions about powerplants for the new hypercar, Mercedes-AMG suggested using the twin-turbo 4.0-litre V8 with twin electric motors as featured in the GT 63 e-Performance.

The plan was for it to be uprated from 831bhp to 1,000bhp. It would also have meant adopting 4WD, as the system mounts the electric motors on the front wheels.

Pagani got as far as running lap time simulations using both set-ups. These revealed that although the hybrid was considerably more powerful than the 852bhp 6.0-litre twin turbo V12, it would actually be 4-5 seconds a lap slower around the Nürburgring. The reason? The significant weight penalty.

"Pagani cars are meant to be lightweight," Horacio told TG. "So [although] we will continue to invest in developments for electrification, the biggest goal for us is to find a way to make the car more enjoyable, more fun, more Pagani."

And that, for now, means the V12 gets a stay of execution – likely until the end of the Utopia’s life in a decade or so. Beyond that Horacio confirmed that Pagani is still working on electric, but that the exact template and ideas have yet to be finalised.
"We've had a team only focusing on full electric, but at the same time they’re also evaluating all the other options that could be also hybridization. I own a Porsche 918 and I love it on electric driving from my house to Modena which is probably 15 kilometres, [but then] the battery's gone. So when I’m driving back home, I carry all the weight of things that are completely discharged."

"But we need to do this research. It doesn’t matter if the client doesn’t ask for it, because you have to be ready for what's next. Don’t ask me when that might be – we'll only launch it when it's ready."

First I read of this researching other things. Engines are very obviously one primary component of a car. So yes he absolutely did the right thing ditching hybrid drive electric assistance.

We will see final kerb weights independently measured at some point. Anyway the current engine has a lineage dating nearly 20 years that I can see. So it cannot be compared with contemporary units designed entire engine generations later. Cannot period.

Anyway at this level you can buy a Pagani Zonda R or Pagani Huyara R or both LOL! He knows his clientele better than anyone and apparently some do, lucky individuals!

 

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Yup. In a politically correct way he says: the Utopia's design is gimmicky, piecemeal and tacky, basically.

 

[Tourbillon]

Yup. In a politically correct way he says: the Utopia's design is gimmicky, piecemeal and tacky, basically.

I haven't watched it yet. I'm going to bloody delete it, LOL!

I appreciate his word ofcourse. But it isn't the only one and nowhere near a final one. This journey hasn't even started.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

If we are talking unrealistically different sizes, then the difference would be even bigger in favor of 4. Imagine a circle filled with 3 circles - however you arranged that to fill the space the best, you could always add a fourth circle somewhere and that would increase the area further. So in that scenario, more is simply always better.

Either way, the point is that a 3-valve is not a as good a design airflow wise as a 4-valve. If that's actually in dispute, then point me to some source claiming that. I actually read a lot of stuff on engine design and I have only ever seen people saying that a 4-valve flows better than a 3-valve and not once the opposite.

Read the presentation of the 3 valve per cylinder engines of the 1998 S class.

 

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[Tourbillon]

What an incredible day for production hypercars!

But DAMN the Pagani Utopia hits hard for me individually. If God said choose a Pagani or Bugatti?

I'd be like BOTH unquestionably. But I'd probably get sent to hell too LOL!

 

[dalab]

If God said choose a Pagani or Bugatti?

Pagani for its interiors.....and its exteriors