S-Class (W223) [Official] Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223)

[Merc1]

Range anxiety is perhaps the most prominent factor with regard to the (non) acceptance of BEV drivetrains. The pace of battery development is almost as neck-snapping as the 0/100 km/h acceleration times of the Taycan Turbo S. 700/800km + range will become commonplace far sooner than most initially anticipated. The expansion of BEV-related infrastructure will be progressively fast-tracked as well. Coming from a many decade long petrolhead, I no longer see the ICE drivetrain as sustainable in mass production automobiles from the medium-term future (say 5-to-6 years) onwards.



I see your point, Mick. It is currently legitimate for certain.

Yeah no. ICE will be around in 5 years. You have no concept of what it would take to convert a country like the US to all electric. It won’t happen in 5-6 years. It’s a pie in the sky delusion.

M

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Yeah no. ICE will be around in 5 years. You have no concept of what it would take to convert a country like the US to all electric. It won’t happen in 5-6 years. It’s a pie in the sky delusion.

M

Well, that's...like...your opinion, man.

I will agree that the U.S. may possibly present a totally BEV averse environment in 5-6 years. I reckon that Tesla, Rivian and Lucid will have gotten it really wrong then, huh ? And GMs' efforts, albethem late, regarding electrification are exercises in delusional tomfoolery. The Lyriq and new E-Hummer ? How silly. And Apple wanting some substantial skin in the game ? FOOLS !! Hyundai and VAG solidly committing themselves to electrification ? The utter folly of it all ! I imagine that U.S. customers will be frantically scrambling for those 2026/27 W/V223s' when the model cycle draws near its' end.

 

[Merc1]

Well, that's...like...your opinion, man.

I will agree that the U.S. may possibly present a totally BEV averse environment in 5-6 years. I reckon that Tesla, Rivian and Lucid will have gotten it really wrong then, huh ? And GMs' efforts, albethem late, regarding electrification are exercises in delusional tomfoolery. The Lyriq and new E-Hummer ? How silly. And Apple wanting some substantial skin in the game ? FOOLS !! Hyundai and VAG solidly committing themselves to electrification ? The utter folly of it all ! I imagine that U.S. customers will be frantically scrambling for those 2026/27 W/V223s' when the model cycle draws near its' end.

Yeah it’s opinion based in reality not some fantasy about everyone wanting an EV when the infrastructure is not there yet. You act like the two concepts can’t co-exist. Americans buy millions and SUVs and trucks and there absolutely no way that entire market will just shift to EV in 5 years. Nothing EV is even remotely suitable right now. A Lyriq and Hummer don’t mean squat beyond a few thousand buyers a year. GM’s push into to EVs is partly for to their incompetence at building cars. As all of them are nearly gone now they have to do something like finally get on board with a trend instead of waiting for it to pass them by.

No one is sayIng that EVs aren’t the future and your opinion and panic about the sky falling is just that your opinion so don’t try to pass it off as fact. Every market is not Norway or wherever they’re going EV mad at.

M

 

[lukeswiss]

Take this as an example of ”why” Jimmy.
If I have two days of long distance drives in front of me, I’ll drive up to my gass station, fill it with circa 65 lites of fuel in less than two minutes, and I’m settled for the next 1.100-1.200 kilometers. Try do that with an EQS, any BEV for that matter.

@Mick Briesgau what speed are you sitting at on the autobahn ?

 

[Deleted member 1071]

... As all of them are nearly gone now they have to do something like *finally get on board with a trend instead of waiting for it to pass them by.

No one is sayIng that EVs aren’t the future and your opinion and panic about the sky falling is just that your opinion so **don’t try to pass it off as fact.

M

* Precisely.

** Increasing declarations of commitment to BEVs' and relevant infrastructure by manufacturers as well as providers are documented and broadly pubicized.

I'm not vilifying the modern ICE drivetrain. I'm simply prepared to embrace change that appears-and arguably is- inevitable. Personally, I'm not grudingly embracing the change. I find the possibilities that electrification offers in terms of engineering and design exciting. I find the pace of progress in refining and improving BEV technology far more compelling and economically viable than any further development of ICE drivetrains can possibly present (at least at a reasonable cost).

My 2 Euro cents.

 

[Merc1]

* Precisely.

** Increasing declarations of commitment to BEVs' and relevant infrastructure by manufacturers as well as providers are documented and broadly pubicized.

I'm not vilifying the modern ICE drivetrain. I'm simply prepared to embrace change that appears-and arguably is- inevitable. Personally, I'm not grudingly embracing the change. I find the possibilities that electrification offers in terms of engineering and design exciting. I find the pace of progress in refining and improving BEV technology far more compelling and economically viable than any further development of ICE drivetrains can possibly present (at least at a reasonable cost).

My 2 Euro cents.

Just going in circles. Sure. You completely missed the rest but sure if you keep repeating it.

M

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Just going in circles. Sure. You completely missed the test but sure if you keep repeating it.

M

You're right. Further discussion between you and I on this particular subject is destined to go absolutely nowhere-hence being devoid of any degree of redeeming quality. Peace.

 

[klier]

That is very impressive.

Except it's not. Each and everyone of those criminals, dictators and louche businessmen would have bought one even if the interior was made out of poopoo.
We'll see where this car stands in 3 years or so, and then we'll call it impressive or a failure....

It'll likely be impressive as usual, but this circle jerk here needed to be broken.

You're right. Further discussion between you and I on this particular subject is destined to go absolutely nowhere

Not just you, and not just this subject.

 

[Merc1]

You're right. Further discussion between you and I on this particular subject is destined to go absolutely nowhere-hence being devoid of any degree of redeeming quality. Peace.

Yeah because it’s almost propaganda trying to be passed off as facts.

M

 

[chonkoa]

Well, that's...like...your opinion, man.

I will agree that the U.S. may possibly present a totally BEV averse environment in 5-6 years. I reckon that Tesla, Rivian and Lucid will have gotten it really wrong then, huh ? And GMs' efforts, albethem late, regarding electrification are exercises in delusional tomfoolery. The Lyriq and new E-Hummer ? How silly. And Apple wanting some substantial skin in the game ? FOOLS !! Hyundai and VAG solidly committing themselves to electrification ? The utter folly of it all ! I imagine that U.S. customers will be frantically scrambling for those 2026/27 W/V223s' when the model cycle draws near its' end.

I don't see it happening inn the next 20 years either.

 

[J.E]

Electric cars will only become commonplace when manufacturers figure out a way to make recharging a five minute or less job (hint: hydrogen fuel cell). Until then, ICE will reign supreme as it has always reigned.

 

[martinbo]

We have several threads appropriate for EV topics. This discussion has gone off topic. Please re-focus on the W223. Thanks.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

@Mick Briesgau what speed are you sitting at on the autobahn ?

Luke, there is a great difference between the speed I'd like to drive and the speed one actually can drive, given circumstances. If possible, cruising speed is anything between 160-180 Km/h. Reality shows that I'm happy when I can cruise at a speed of more than 120-130 Km/h.

 

[lukeswiss]

Luke, there is a great difference between the speed I'd like to drive and the speed one actually can drive, given circumstances. If possible, cruising speed is anything between 160-180 Km/h. Reality shows that I'm happy when I can cruise at a speed of more than 120-130 Km/h.

Yeh - keeping your average speed high is not that easy... depending when you’re driving. I find the constant acceleration and deceleration annoying if anything, and not that good on fuel either.
I guess when the safety measures for corona are relaxed, I’ll just start flying between Berlin and Basel again. Goodbye Benz - hello EasyJet

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Yes-I no longer miss various previous vehicles solely based on their ability to cruise at 200+ km/h when traffic conditions permitted. 130-140 km/h is just fine in my "non car" KIA Sportage. And my next vehicle, which is another 2-3 years down the road if at all, will in all likelihood be an electric MEB-underpinned VAG car or a BEV KIA/Hyundai product.

 

[lukeswiss]

Yes-I no longer miss various previous vehicles solely based on their ability to cruise at 200+ km/h when traffic conditions permitted. 130-140 km/h is just fine in my "non car" KIA Sportage. And my next vehicle, which is another 2-3 years down the road if at all, will in all likelihood be an electric MEB-underpinned VAG car or a BEV KIA/Hyundai product.

Are you in Italy ? It’s one place where I never know what speed to do, if I follow the recommendation all the locals are overtaking me by 30-40km/h -

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Are you in Italy ? It’s one place where I never know what speed to do, if I follow the recommendation all the locals are overtaking me by 30-40km/h -

Nööö-Deutschland.

 

[MichiB]

Daimler calls 1400 luxury sedans

A few months after the market launch of the most important Mercedes model, Daimler has to recall up to 1,400 luxury sedans of the new S-Class worldwide. With so many vehicles, the correct tie rod had not been installed in the front axle steering, said a Daimler spokesman, confirming a report by the "Business Insider" magazine on Tuesday. As a result, "the required minimum screw-in depth to the outer tie rod is not given". Ultimately, the steering of the vehicle could be impaired and the risk of an accident increased. In a letter to the customers, the models delivered were ordered "immediately" to the workshops, the magazine reported. The seventh generation of the luxury sedan, which came onto the market in autumn, is not only an important image carrier, but also one of the most profitable models of the Swabians. Mercedes-Benz always emphasizes that it places the highest safety demands on vehicle technology. At more than 40,000, the number of orders is, according to Daimler, higher than the level reached by the previous model when the model was launched.

Source: https://www.msn.com/de-ch/finanzen/...limousinen-zurück/ar-BB1cGN8h?ocid=entnewsntp

 

[J.E]

Daimler calls 1400 luxury sedans

A few months after the market launch of the most important Mercedes model, Daimler has to recall up to 1,400 luxury sedans of the new S-Class worldwide. With so many vehicles, the correct tie rod had not been installed in the front axle steering, said a Daimler spokesman, confirming a report by the "Business Insider" magazine on Tuesday. As a result, "the required minimum screw-in depth to the outer tie rod is not given". Ultimately, the steering of the vehicle could be impaired and the risk of an accident increased. In a letter to the customers, the models delivered were ordered "immediately" to the workshops, the magazine reported. The seventh generation of the luxury sedan, which came onto the market in autumn, is not only an important image carrier, but also one of the most profitable models of the Swabians. Mercedes-Benz always emphasizes that it places the highest safety demands on vehicle technology. At more than 40,000, the number of orders is, according to Daimler, higher than the level reached by the previous model when the model was launched.

Source: https://www.msn.com/de-ch/finanzen/top-stories/schraube-locker-daimler-ruft-1400-luxuslimousinen-zurück/ar-BB1cGN8h?ocid=entnewsntp

Oh shit... John Cadogan and Scotty Kilmer will have a field day with this piece of news. Even if it's only 1,400 cars.

 

[Soup]