S-Class (W222/C217/A217) [Official] Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W222)

[Star&Car]

I don't get it, gas is cheap in China and very little care about environmental protection at the moment.

No,gas is far from cheap in China,in fact due to molopoly gas price is more expensive in China than that in USA,most of which is tax.We need liberation from autocracy.

 

[Sonder]

i want some pictures of a white amg!!

 

[PINHEAD]

i want some pictures of a white amg!!

Here you are:

 

[DjordjeC63]

^ with interior like this one:

 

[Betty Swollocks]

i want some pictures of a white amg!!

How about in the S-Class picture thread?

http://www.germancarforum.com/commu...-w222-picture-thread.49039/page-2#post-647865

 

[Monster]

Comments from Mercedes head of product management for the S-class series Lutz Regelmann, a very interesting read. So basically Mercedes believes the new S-class is good enough to tempt buyers away from their ultra top end cars such as the Bentley and RR. It doesn't seem like there will be a super S-class with its own unique styling.

Replacement for the ill-fated Maybach brand is continuing to be assessed internally, with an expanded from within Mercedes-Benz S-Class line-up the most likely option to stretch back towards seven-figure ultra-exclusive limousine territory.
It has long been rumoured that the Maybach successor will be the revival of the S-Class Pullman (above), a stretched version of the S-Class with hugely expanded rear legroom, but executives within Mercedes-Benz insist it won’t be a direct replacement.
“The Pullman is the successor of the Pullman,” contends Mercedes-Benz head of product management for S-Class and roadsters Lutz Regelmann.
“I don’t think the Pullman is the successor to the Maybach.”
Regelmann instead believes that the new S-Class itself can fulfil the wants of Maybach buyers for a much lower price, refuting the notion that Mercedes-Benz needs to find a successor to the Maybach to fill a higher price bracket.
In a rare case of a brand seeking to bring previous customers from higher-priced models into lower priced ones, Regelmann wants to do exactly that with previous Maybach customers by introducing them to the S-Class.
“You can bring the car to a value,” he admits.
“The S-Class cannot fully replace the Maybach but it could come very close. It could come substantially close.
“Of course we should target these [Maybach] customers, and we know we can get the Bentley Flying Spur customers. Internally when I talk to my markets, I say [about the new S-Class] ‘outside S-Class, inside Maybach’, because when you look at the features, the leather quality, reclining seats, footrests, the only thing you don’t get is the separation wall…
“Yes we are not in the top, top league of the segment anymore. But with an S-Class you can get a similar standard. Maybe you don’t get the top premium … but you can easily get a Maybach customer in that car.
“We want to gap the part to the Maybach segment and bring them [buyers] into the S-Class. [But] the intention is not to replace the Maybach.”
The intention is, however, to move the S-Class significantly more upmarket, something that new derivatives such as the long-wheelbase V12 versions, new Coupe and Pullman will do.
Regelmann contests that, in volume terms based on previous sales figures, the possibilities with an expanded S-Class range far exceed those of a potential dedicated Maybach replacement.
“You know we are thinking about derivatives … separate versions of the S-Class, but again it’s an S-Class, it’s the S-Class family we’re going to open up, we are going to extend the wheelbase again [with Pullman], but it’s an S-Class.
“Of course we want to touch that segment, we don’t want to lose our customers, but it’s not completely covering the segment. The S-Class is the S-Class, it’s a business and luxury limousine in a large scale.
“We have sold over 500,000 [units] of the W221 [S-Class]; for Maybach we have sold a couple of thousand. It [S-Class] is not a one-by-one replacement, but of course it’s a … very good value solution for Maybach customers.”

http://www.caradvice.com.au/240745/mercedes-benz-mulls-maybach-replacement-pullman-on-guard/

 

[Kilcrohane]

So basically Mercedes believes the new S-class is good enough to tempt buyers away from their ultra top end cars such as the Bentley and RR.

- and they're right.

'Regelmann instead believes that the new S-Class itself can fulfil the wants of Maybach buyers for a much lower price, refuting the notion that Mercedes-Benz needs to find a successor to the Maybach to fill a higher price bracket.'​

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- the significantly lower-priced S-Class will puncture the balloon of the overpriced, trading on image Rolls Royce Ghosts, Bentley Spurs and even Mulsannes and Phantoms.

There's a now almost discernible trend in the auto industry to reversing the escalation of pricing for the sake of it, the once tacitly saying to the customer, 'the higher the price, the more desirable and better it is', by offering more performance and features at a lower price.

The S-Class makes the Maybach look like a mad bygone age. Similarly, products like the M135i and A45 AMG challenge dinosaur sports cars at twice the price; the new Corvette takes it to the blue-blood Europeans at half the price, the new Mercedes SLC/GT will offer SLS AMG bettering performance at nearly half the price, the new M3/M4 will humble £100k plus sports cars, ... . This is how it should be.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

I'd love to see this finished, but will Designo actually use materials other than what they offer? Mercedes hasn't offered Zebrano wood since the 90's.

Here's a picture of Zebrano wood, as used for the W126

 

[Betty Swollocks]

- and they're right.

'Regelmann instead believes that the new S-Class itself can fulfil the wants of Maybach buyers for a much lower price, refuting the notion that Mercedes-Benz needs to find a successor to the Maybach to fill a higher price bracket.'​

​

- the significantly lower-priced S-Class will puncture the balloon of the overpriced, trading on image Rolls Royce Ghosts, Bentley Spurs and even Mulsannes and Phantoms.

There's a now almost discernible trend in the auto industry to reversing the escalation of pricing for the sake of it, the once tacitly saying to the customer, 'the higher the price, the more desirable and better it is', by offering more performance and features at a lower price.

The S-Class makes the Maybach look like a mad bygone age. Similarly, products like the M135i and A45 AMG challenge dinosaur sports cars at twice the price; the new Corvette takes it to the blue-blood Europeans at half the price, the new Mercedes SLC/GT will offer SLS AMG bettering performance at nearly half the price, the new M3/M4 will humble £100k plus sports cars, ... . This is how it should be.

The Maybach failed because ultimately is just wasn't good enough as a product (based on old technology) and the brand "Maybach" just doesn't have the cache of Rolls-Royce and Bentley.

The new S-Class certainly looks stunning, but whether it can compete with Rolls-Royce and Bentley, I'm not so sure. People who buy Rollers care a lot about the badge, and I can't see them driving a car which shares a badge with a small hatchback. It doesn't matter one jot whether the S-Class is actually as good as the RR and Bentley (and in fact from the photos it's certainly coming close).

The M3 has always humbled £100,000 sports cars.

The Subaru Impreza has always humbled £50,000 sports cars.

Yet people still buy £100,000 sports cars.

 

[Human]

^
+1 And however brilliant, stunning and a true masterpiece the W222 is, it just changes nothing about perception nor the cache of at least the Mulsanne and Phantom and only time will tell if it can actually touch the Ghost. The latter still has more charisma and the Spirit of Ecstasy + a presence seldom equaled, especially amongst the worlds Billionaires and Sheik's.

The S-class is a tech fest for the M-B traditionalist and could hurt F01 and A8 sales until BWW & AUDI retaliate with similar new offerings (come model changeover). But the Burj Al-Arab is not going to change it's fleet of Phantoms for W222's, no siree!

Call me a snob or a a-hole if you like but I for one would not even think of purchasing a GT-R, no matter how good performance or how good the chassis is. I'd rather have the Beemer I can afford than buy a fast Datsun. If my 'ship comes in' I'd have my 458,GT3,R8 or Aston but not the Datsun.

 

[klier]

Human, sssssh, it's best to let the MB fanboys believe the W222 operates on Bentley an RR levels

BTW, I saw my first real life W222 at the Nurburgring GP yesterday

 

[Kilcrohane]

^ Okay, there are plenty who doubt the S-Class can challenge a Ghost or a Spur, but only time will tell who's right.

I maintain a 'first class rear' seat package equipped S500(/550) LWB <£100k S-Class is superior in every way to a 'base' £200k Ghost or £150k Flying Spur, and the as-yet unseen Pullman, based on the XWB model, will be superior to a Mulsanne or Phantom.

A lot of the perceived ultra-premium brand appeal of Bentley and Rolls-Royce is just a function of the stratospheric pricing. If Mercedes can show that they have a truly better car at half the price that perceived appeal will melt away, in similar fashion to Maybach's.

 

[Human]

Human, sssssh, it's best to let the MB fanboys believe the W222 operates on Bentley an RR levels

BTW, I saw my first real life W222 at the Nurburgring GP yesterday

And?

^ Okay, there are plenty who doubt the S-Class can challenge a Ghost or a Spur, but only time will tell who's right.

I maintain a 'first class rear' seat package equipped S500(/550) LWB <£100k S-Class is superior in every way to a 'base' £200k Ghost or £150k Flying Spur, and the as-yet unseen Pullman, based on the XWB model, will be superior to a Mulsanne or Phantom.

A lot of the perceived ultra-premium brand appeal of Bentley and Rolls-Royce is just a function of the stratospheric pricing. If Mercedes can show that they have a truly better car at half the price that perceived appeal will melt away, in similar fashion to Maybach's.

IMO, the upcoming Pullman may just be the tool for the task.

 

[Gianclaudio]

The Maybach failed because ultimately is just wasn't good enough as a product (based on old technology) and the brand "Maybach" just doesn't have the cache of Rolls-Royce and Bentley.

The word you are looking after is cacheT (ie: prestige), not cache.

I'm so happy to help improve your english, as well.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

The word you are looking after is cacheT (ie: prestige), nor cache.

I'm so happy to help improve your english, as well.

Good point, well presented. I have no issue with someone correcting my mistakes.

To correct YOUR statement, it's "the word you are looking FOR is cachet, NOT cache".


I get the impression you got enormous pleasure from correcting me. For the record I've never claimed my English is perfect, in terms of punctuation or spelling, and I do make mistakes. I never put myself up as the forum's English grammar and spelling expert, and in fact there are many people on here with a far better command of the English language than me. Kilcrohane and Martin to name but two, and Martin may even speak Afrikaans as a mother tongue. However, I don't see the benefit of letting obvious and common mistakes like "could of" instead of "could have", and misplaced apostrophes, go unchecked. It doesn't benefit the person making the mistake, and it doesn't benefit people reading it who may think that is the correct English. I work with many different nationalities on a daily basis (I'd say around twenty as a low estimate), in an environment where good communication is vital, and I'm constantly being asked to correct their English if I hear people making a mistake. The truth is I rarely do because I have a lot of respect for people who speak a language other than their mother tongue.

It's not a competition to see who can outdo the other person. It's about learning something along the way.

 

[Monster]

And?

He saw this

 

[Betty Swollocks]

He saw this

Jessica Michibata is one very sexy lady, but she really shouldn't get in the way of an S-Class like that.

 

[Gianclaudio]

Good point, well presented. I have no issue with someone correcting my mistakes.

To correct YOUR statement, it's "the word you are looking FOR is cachet, NOT cache".


I get the impression you got enormous pleasure from correcting me. For the record I've never claimed my English is perfect, in terms of punctuation or spelling, and I do make mistakes. I never put myself up as the forum's English grammar and spelling expert, and in fact there are many people on here with a far better command of the English language than me. Kilcrohane and Martin to name but two, and Martin may even speak Afrikaans as a mother tongue. However, I don't see the benefit to letting obvious and common mistakes like "could of" instead of "could have", and misplaced apostrophes, go unchecked. It doesn't benefit the person making the mistake, and it doesn't benefit people reading it who may think that is the correct English. I work with many different nationalities on a daily basis (I'd say around twenty as a low estimate), in an environment where good communication is vital, and I'm constantly being asked to correct their English if I hear people making a mistake. The truth is I rarely do because I have a lot of respect for people who speak a language other than their mother tongue.

It's not a competition to see who can outdo the other person. It's about learning something along the way.

Thanks for the correction.
And again, I DO like when you correct my english. Really.
We could disagree in everything else, but I absolutely; heartly like your grammar and how you help improve my and everyone's english. I do enjoy Martin and Kilcrohane write ups as well.

 

[Human]

Indeed our Martinbo's English teacher(s) has to be proud of him, he is a English speaking person (Afrikaans also), nevertheless his grammar is perfect. Kilchrohane the same, they could start their own motoring mag....poor JLR

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Indeed our Martinbo's English teacher(s) has to be proud of him, he is a English speaking person (Afrikaans also), nevertheless his grammar is perfect. Kilchrohane the same, they could start their own motoring mag....poor JLR

I'm sure as soon as JLR start offering Kilcrohane £20 and a bag of chips he'd soon change his viewpoints.