E-Class (W213/C238/A238) [Official] Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213


The Mercedes-Benz W213 is the fifth generation of the E-Class range. Body styles: sedan/saloon (W213), wagon/estate (S213), long wheelbase (V213), coupé (C238), cabriolet (A238). Production: 2016–2023. Predecessor: W212 E-Class. Successor: W214 E-Class, C236/A236 CLE.
Well IMO there is a meaning to it. No matter the engine, it develops 362hp (367hp European numbers) whether it is the 3L V6 or I6 so keeping it 450 makes sense because the numbers now correlate more to output than engine size. We too have the E450 and S450 with the old V6. I hate that the I6 isn't in the S450 here in the U.S. but I'm sure it will come for the 2020 model year. All E450 models should switch to the I6 at facelift.
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Well IMO there is a meaning to it. No matter the engine, it develops 362hp (367hp European numbers) whether it is the 3L V6 or I6 so keeping it 450 makes sense because the numbers now correlate more to output than engine size. We too have the E450 and S450 with the old V6. I hate that the I6 isn't in the S450 here in the U.S. but I'm sure it will come f...
They need to have their crap together on this EQ and new engine. I'm concerned about Mercedes suddenly jumping in with both feet when they haven't even produced a competitive hybrid, which this essentially is.
 
Hey guys, just a quick update on our E 400. I haven't really had a chance to drive it but I did go for a proper drive today. The twin turbo V6 engine is still extremely refined, smooth and it delivers power and torque effortlessly. I barely had to rev the engine above 2500 rpm to make swift progress. The engine revs quickly too with no lag at all and it works seamlessly with the 9 speed gearbox to deliver effortless performance. I was easily driving at 20km/h over the speed limit without even noticing.

Overall refinement is of course a noticeable step above the C class, especially when it comes to ride comfort. The air suspension does a great job soaking up the horrible surfaces and speed humps on these Sydney roads, however it does struggle sometimes dealing with short sharp bumps.

The steering ratio is well calibrated, it is sharp without being too alert, the weighing is solid and the action is smooth. However there isn't much feedback from the steering though. The car handles very well, especially compare to the W211. Body roll is only evident during quick directional changes, eg when I am going through roundabouts, or taking a tightening corner at speed.

As for the interior build and quality, the W213 lacks the luxurious, solid feeling compare to the W211. The panoramic roof does make a noise when the car goes over rough surfaces.

The E 400 is just fast enough, with an excellent balance between comfort and handling. If you guys have any questions, feel free to ask me.

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Ok ... so a full confession. As most of you know I am a diehard BMW fan and have owned multiple cars over the last 10 years, but it may be time to try something different. What made me change my mind? Read on....

I had driven the 540i sport earlier this summer and wasn’t very impressed. The gear shifts were very aggressive and the steering was a little too artificial for my taste. My 335i brought me into the brand with its very hard and precise steering along with its go-kart handling way back in 2007 and I vouched never to leave the brand, but I find that ethos lacking especially with all the G designated cars.

Fast forward to this weekend and an opportunity presented itself to test drive the E300 4matic. Mind you I went in expecting a very anemic experience but god was I blown away. The steering felt a lot better than benzes past, the motor was surprisingly strong for most occasions and even the base infotainment did not look ‘that bad’.

This puts a damper on what I want as my next car. As much as I want a fire breathing monster that runs 10s 1/4 miles and handles like it is on rails, the reality is that with the quality of roads and strict traffic laws, a daily has to be a cosetting ride and this car ticks most of the boxes.

To all the members on this forum; what’s your owenwrship experience been like? It would really help me with my decision.

Thanks for reading!
 
Ok ... so a full confession. As most of you know I am a diehard BMW fan and have owned multiple cars over the last 10 years, but it may be time to try something different. What made me change my mind? Read on....

I had driven the 540i sport earlier this summer and wasn’t very impressed. The gear shifts were very aggressive and the steering was a...
I have driven both the 540i and the E 400 before deciding on the E 400, here is the link of my impression and comparison between the two, I hope you find this useful!

https://www.germancarforum.com/threads/bmw-5-series-g30.56265/page-92#post-881315
 
Given the 14 year gap in development, the W211 is still holding its own quite well in terms of overall comfort and refinement. The interior quality is actually better. Over 13 years of driving and it is still rattle free, not a single squeak from the suspension or from the door seals. It still drives and ride unbelievably smoothly. Every time I drive the W211 I grow to appreciate it more and more. While the W211 isn't a small car, the W213 completely overshadows it in every possible dimension. Also you can see how some of the styling elements have evolved from the W211 to the W213.

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yes, first second i thought it was a compare between old e class and the current S class....the dimensions are visible
But god, i love how mercedes design gets old...ok, interior is another thing, but even now the W211 is a classic
 
Given the 14 year gap in development, the W211 is still holding its own quite well in terms of overall comfort and refinement. The interior quality is actually better. Over 13 years of driving and it is still rattle free, not a single squeak from the suspension or from the door seals. It still drives and ride unbelievably smoothly. Every time I drive th...

Actually the W211 was ‘small’ comparatively. Per my understanding, at least the cabin was more compact than the W210. Plus it’s gorgeous silhouette makes it the best proportioned E class after the W124 up to this day.

If you were to line up all late model BMWs, Audis and Mercs from the late 90s onwards, it is difficult to guage their vintage :)
 
Ok ... so a full confession. As most of you know I am a diehard BMW fan and have owned multiple cars over the last 10 years, but it may be time to try something different. What made me change my mind? Read on....

I had driven the 540i sport earlier this summer and wasn’t very impressed. The gear shifts were very aggressive and the steering was a...

@empower77

Hi mate I have owned the new E from Spetmeber 2016 so over 2 years now I absolutely love my car Its a diesel so powerwise I can not say much compared to what you looking at the drive is good and handles very very well in my opinion for a car of this size on UK road yoy do feel the bumps bit roads are crap here and i have low profile run flats the gearbox is excellent the interior is very quiet and I am very happy with quality and the seats are supreme on long rides especially.

Touch wood I have not had any issues just general service and normal Mercedes software updates.

The only negative for me is the ride on bumps and bad roads I am not sure where You live but here in My area in UK on my street I counted I have 8 to 10 potholes and my two rims are buckled also I thought I left potholes in SA lol but UK have them ..
 
Given the 14 year gap in development, the W211 is still holding its own quite well in terms of overall comfort and refinement. The interior quality is actually better. Over 13 years of driving and it is still rattle free, not a single squeak from the suspension or from the door seals. It still drives and ride unbelievably smoothly. Every time I drive th...

Geez. In that photo you'd think the W213 is an S-Class.

It's good to know that the car is still good to drive. The only W211s I have driven are an E500 about 10 years ago and a friend's tuned E55 two years ago which he replaced with an CL500.

My biggest peeve with the current E and C is the feel on the door panels and a few other areas. I wish they were more solid, but the interior design of the E is so welcoming that I can overlook some aspects of the quality.
 
Geez. In that photo you'd think the W213 is an S-Class.
That was my first thought too when I parked them side by side. The rims alone on the W213 is almost bigger than the entire rim+tyre combination on the W211.
 
That was my first thought too when I parked them side by side. The rims alone on the W213 is almost bigger than the entire rim+tyre combination on the W211.
Alloys sizes are ridiculous these days. 10 years ago rappers bragged about 20 inch alloys on Cadillac Escalades. Today, you can order a jaguar F-Pace withe 22s from factory.
 
Given the 14 year gap in development, the W211 is still holding its own quite well in terms of overall comfort and refinement. The interior quality is actually better. Over 13 years of driving and it is still rattle free, not a single squeak from the suspension or from the door seals. It still drives and ride unbelievably smoothly. Every time I drive th...
Look so sleek, really like these two gens of E-class in terms of look department
 
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