C-Class (W206) [Official] Mercedes Benz C-Class (W206)

[Rolf]

Shit with all the power generation and black out problems happening worldwide like in China, US and Europe, I would opt for a hybrid more than a full BEV at least for now as it had the best of both worlds. Or would it be better to opt for a bicycle?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Shit with all the power generation and black out problems happening worldwide like in China, US and Europe, I would opt for a hybrid more than a full BEV at least for now as it had the best of both worlds. Or would it be better to opt for a bicycle?

And how does it have the best of all worlds?

 

[leylandi]

Saloon and Estate have an electric range of over 100 km (WLTP)

Stuttgart. Following the recent launch of the new C-Class generation it is now possible to order the C 300 e (combined fuel consumption, weighted: 0.8-0.6 l/100 km; combined CO2 emissions, weighted: 17-13 g/km; combined power consumption, weighted: 23.3-20.8 kWh/100 km)[1] and the C 300 e Estate (combined fuel consumption, weighted: 0.8-0.6 l/100 km; combined CO2 emissions, weighted: 19-14 g/km; combined power consumption, weighted: 24.1-21.6 kWh/100 km)1 as the first plug-in hybrid models. The market launch of the Saloon is taking place immediately, while the Estate will land in dealerships from December. The level control system thanks to air suspension at the rear comes as standard in both models. Prices start at €56,168[2] (C 300 e) and €57,9532 (C 300 e Estate), respectively. An environmental bonus[3] of €5625 in Germany helps to makes both models particularly attractive. Diesel plug-in hybrid models are set to follow in due course.

Considering the electric range increased to more than 100 km and the electric output of 95 kW (129 hp), everyday routes can for the most part be covered in all-electric mode without using the combustion engine. This is the two-litre variant of the ultra-modern M 254 four-cylinder petrol engine. Thanks to recuperation, kinetic energy is recovered when decelerating or driving downhill. The energy recovery output is now over 100 kW.

The intelligent, route-based operating strategy activates the electric driving mode where this is most appropriate for the route. It takes into account such factors as navigation data, topography, speed limits and the traffic conditions for the entire planned route. A driver wishing to influence the energy recovery rate can do so directly in three stages controlled by rocker switches behind the steering wheel. This is possible in all driving modes except SPORT. In the driving mode D-, for example, the driver can experience the "one-pedal feeling": When the driver takes his foot off the accelerator the vehicle slows down, purely by electric means, to such an extent that the hydraulic foot brake is often not needed. The operating strategy communicates with the sensors of the assistance systems and thus efficiently supports the driver in many driving situations.

The positioning of the battery in the vehicle brings advantages on a day-to-day basis compared with the previous model: there is no longer a step in the boot, and through-loading is now possible. This improvement is particularly noticeable in the Estate model: the length of the luggage compartment floor has increased by 63 mm to 1043 mm. Tall drinks crates can be loaded without issue below the cassettes for the roller cover and load compartment net. Compared with the predecessor, the luggage compartment volume has increased by 45 litres to 360 litres, and with the rear seats folded down the Estate can even accommodate 1375 litres (plus 40 l).

 

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[klier]

The new C class is a complete non factor. Already forgotten in its first year. Time of the 3er and C class is over, and they have to move to electric as quickly as possible.

Literally nobody cares about this car outside of a few MB fans. Don't see them much driving around either. For every C class there's 25 Model 3, probably more.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

The battery capacity is almost as big as the one in the first version of the BMW i3.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Literally nobody cares about this car outside of a few MB fans. Don't see them much driving around either.

To my information, even MB fans care that much. You not seeing them much around has a reason: the BR 206 has a very poor price-quality ratio, even die-hards jump off the wagon. MB is asking E-Klasse money for a decent speced C.
Edit: C 300 e sedan weighs 75 kg more than my S-Klasse...

 

[Matski]

The new C class is a complete non factor. Already forgotten in its first year. Time of the 3er and C class is over, and they have to move to electric as quickly as possible.

Literally nobody cares about this car outside of a few MB fans. Don't see them much driving around either. For every C class there's 25 Model 3, probably more.

Dutch numbers, YTD
3 Series: 2761
Model 3: 1482
C Class: 1271

Not sure how popular the Hybrid will be though to be fair.

 

[SKY]

Dutch numbers, YTD
3 Series: 2761
Model 3: 1482
C Class: 1271

Not sure how popular the Hybrid will be though to be fair.

I believe only the leaders of each segment will remain relevant vs EVs. I could see the 3er, 5er and S-Class still selling well.

I would not put my money on C-Class, A4, E-Class, A6, 7er and A8 doing any good going forward.

 

[Big Sam]

And how does it have the best of all worlds?

I've spoken extensively as to why my 330e is the best of both/all worlds. I've been out driving locally this morning and did it entirely using one charge. In two weeks I'll be travelling around 2,000km to areas which are difficult to charge, and I won't have to worry due to the ICE. As an owner I think the 330e PHEV is brilliant.

The new C class is a complete non factor. Already forgotten in its first year. Time of the 3er and C class is over, and they have to move to electric as quickly as possible.

Literally nobody cares about this car outside of a few MB fans. Don't see them much driving around either. For every C class there's 25 Model 3, probably more.

Is it possible you don't see them driving around much because of the chip shortage? I won't be getting mine until next March for this very reason.

I'm a BMW fan and I think the C-Class is a great car, and very competitively priced (leasing is over €100 less than my 330e) and the same as a lower spec and performance A4 S-line. Most of the options you need are standard, and the addition of just one package gives you everything you'll ever need.

To my information, even MB fans care that much. You not seeing them much around has a reason: the BR 206 has a very poor price-quality ratio, even die-hards jump off the wagon. MB is asking E-Klasse money for a decent speced C.
Edit: C 300 e sedan weighs 75 kg more than my S-Klasse...

Chip shortage? In the NL the price-quality ratio is excellent.

Dutch numbers, YTD
3 Series: 2761
Model 3: 1482
C Class: 1271

Not sure how popular the Hybrid will be though to be fair.

The MB 300 e PHEV hasn't been available yet in the NL, although it may have just gone on sale. I was going to wait until it was on sale, but I ordered a C 200 instead a few months ago. I suspect next year the MB figures will be higher.

 

[Matski]

I believe only the leaders of each segment will remain relevant vs EVs. I could see the 3er, 5er and S-Class still selling well.

I would not put my money on C-Class, A4, E-Class, A6, 7er and A8 doing any good going forward.

Technically I think the different strategies employed by the companies will dictate which nameplates you see go first. Realistically BMW will call NK1 a 3 series even if it's a BEV version. Mercedes have split their top tier between S, and EQS. The total sales may not shift much, but on paper at least this could mean S-Class sales appear to fall where the likes of the 3-er don't.

I appreciate your comment was more about the 'natural selection' element of the segment leaders surviving, but I do think Mercedes decision to have two separate model lines, platforms and even factories essentially competing with each other for (potentially) the same "S" segment customers is a drawback.

 

[Matski]

The MB 300 e PHEV hasn't been available yet in the NL, although it may have just gone on sale. I was going to wait until it was on sale, but I ordered a C 200 instead a few months ago. I suspect next year the MB figures will be higher.

They list 301 PHEV C-Class sales in NL, 913 PHEV's for the 3-Series. So, roughly a quarter to a third of model sales come from the Hybrids. I would hope MB figures get better next year anyway, but I'm not sure the e models will move the needle much in terms of overall volumes.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I've spoken extensively as to why my 330e is the best of both/all worlds. I've been out driving locally this morning and did it entirely using one charge. In two weeks I'll be travelling around 2,000km to areas which are difficult to charge, and I won't have to worry due to the ICE. As an owner I think the 330e PHEV is brilliant.




Is it possible you don't see them driving around much because of the chip shortage? I won't be getting mine until next March for this very reason.

I'm a BMW fan and I think the C-Class is a great car, and very competitively priced (leasing is over €100 less than my 330e) and the same as a lower spec and performance A4 S-line. Most of the options you need are standard, and the addition of just one package gives you everything you'll ever need.




Chip shortage? In the NL the price-quality ratio is excellent.




The MB 300 e PHEV hasn't been available yet in the NL, although it may have just gone on sale. I was going to wait until it was on sale, but I ordered a C 200 instead a few months ago. I suspect next year the MB figures will be higher.

I thought you'd prefer the X5 for long journeys, and is the luggage compartment of the 330 enough for such a trip?

 

[Big Sam]

They list 301 PHEV C-Class sales in NL, 913 PHEV's for the 3-Series. So, roughly a quarter to a third of model sales come from the Hybrids. I would hope MB figures get better next year anyway, but I'm not sure the e models will move the needle much in terms of overall volumes.

I assume those 301 PHEV C-Class sales are for the previous model (W205) which I guess ended some time earlier this year. The prices for the W206 PHEV have only just been announced and I think it actually went on sale today, as it is now on the MB.NL website and there's a press release here on GCF. I would expect the W206 sales to be much higher.

C-Class - The new C-Class can now also be ordered as a plug-in hybrid

The new C-Class can now also be ordered as a plug-in hybrid Following the recent launch of the new C-Class generation it is now possible to order the C 300 e (combined fuel consumption, weighted: 0.8-0.6 l/100 km; combined CO2 emissions, weighted: 17-13 g/km; combined power consumption...

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I'm surprised the hybrid sales don't make up a bigger proportion of overall sales due to the favourable tax breaks PHEVs get in the Netherlands. The 320i has over €6,000 of extra tax on them, as well has having higher road tax. In my chosen spec, the 330e Touring wasn't that much more than the equivalent 318i. One aspect could be the boot on the saloon is next to useless.

I thought you'd prefer the X5 for long journeys, and is the luggage compartment of the 330 enough for such a trip?

Well, I sold the X5 one week ago. I was planning to keep it for a long time but I was offered silly money for it. The chip shortage has kept values of second hand X5s at high levels. It only lost 9% of its value in two and a half years, which is bonkers. Our second baby has now reached six months, which means he can now switch to the smaller YoYo pushchair, and therefore we need much less luggage space. The 330e Saloon boot would be too small, but the Touring, although tight, will be enough space. We'll find out for sure in two weeks.

At the same time our 318i (F30) has gone too, so we're down to the 330e Touring and the R8. Our C-Class C 200 AMG Line is due next Feb/March. Having been sat in a BMW showroom drinking coffee in the vicinity of a Skyscraper Grey M3 all afternoon, it's going to be very difficult not to place an order. I am trying to hold out until the Touring is launched.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I assume those 301 PHEV C-Class sales are for the previous model (W205) which I guess ended some time earlier this year. The prices for the W206 PHEV have only just been announced and I think it actually went on sale today, as it is now on the MB.NL website and there's a press release here on GCF. I would expect the W206 sales to be much higher.

C-Class - The new C-Class can now also be ordered as a plug-in hybrid

The new C-Class can now also be ordered as a plug-in hybrid Following the recent launch of the new C-Class generation it is now possible to order the C 300 e (combined fuel consumption, weighted: 0.8-0.6 l/100 km; combined CO2 emissions, weighted: 17-13 g/km; combined power consumption...

germancarforum.com

I'm surprised the hybrid sales don't make up a bigger proportion of overall sales due to the favourable tax breaks PHEVs get in the Netherlands. The 320i has over €6,000 of extra tax on them, as well has having higher road tax. In my chosen spec, the 330e Touring wasn't that much more than the equivalent 318i. One aspect could be the boot on the saloon is next to useless.





Well, I sold the X5 one week ago. I was planning to keep it for a long time but I was offered silly money for it. The chip shortage has kept values of second hand X5s at high levels. It only lost 9% of its value in two and a half years, which is bonkers. Our second baby has now reached six months, which means he can now switch to the smaller YoYo pushchair, and therefore we need much less luggage space. The 330e Saloon boot would be too small, but the Touring, although tight, will be enough space. We'll find out for sure in two weeks.

At the same time our 318i (F30) has gone too, so we're down to the 330e Touring and the R8. Our C-Class C 200 AMG Line is due next Feb/March. Having been sat in a BMW showroom drinking coffee in the vicinity of a Skyscraper Grey M3 all afternoon, it's going to be very difficult not to place an order. I am trying to hold out until the Touring is launched.

The situatiin reminds me of my childhood in a comunist country when if you wanted a new car you had to pay the advance payment and depending on the brand wait for - a Lada 15 years, a Skoda 10 years and so on. People who had received their new car could sell it for four times more and a 10 years old car cost the same amount as a new one.
Anyway the high price of the second hand cars is not a good sign for the availability of new cars. I don't want to be a bad oracle but the delivery of a new C class could be as long as an year or even more.

 

[Matski]

The situatiin reminds me of my childhood in a comunist country when if you wanted a new car you had to pay the advance payment and depending on the brand wait for - a Lada 15 years, a Skoda 10 years and so on. People who had received their new car could sell it for four times more and a 10 years old car cost the same amount as a new one.

I remember my Dad mentioning that in the 1980's Lada's UK importer would often just sell everything they couldn't shift here, back to car 'dealers' in Eastern bloc countries.

 

[J.E]

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[Big Sam]

I don't want to be a bad oracle but the delivery of a new C class could be as long as an year or even more.

We'll see. I wouldn't mind if it goes beyond March to be honest. I'm not in a rush for it, and our 330e Touring is approaching one year old and it only has 3,600km on it, so it still feels like a brand new car. I'm looking forward to getting know it over the next few months!

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

We'll see. I wouldn't mind if it goes beyond March to be honest. I'm not in a rush for it, and our 330e Touring is approaching one year old and it only has 3,600km on it, so it still feels like a brand new car. I'm looking forward to getting know it over the next few months!

Up to what milage you consider a car like new? I always felt the cars which I drove from new to be at their best at about 40-50 000 km.

 

[Big Sam]

Up to what milage you consider a car like new? I always felt the cars which I drove from new to be at their best at about 40-50 000 km.

To be honest, my X5 felt like new even after two and a half years. That's because I drive with leather driving gloves now and it keeps the steering wheel nice and fresh looking, because the oils from my hand never made it look all shiny.

You're right that you need to get the engine all loosened up.

When I say it's "like new", I mean it doesn't even have any stone chips on the bonnet, the alloys are flawless (my wife has never driven it ), and the tyres still have their full tread. You could clean it and almost sell it as a brand new car. That's what I mean by "like new".