Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
I've made aware by people that (possibly) know it's "around the 6.30" mark. Guess we will find out.
AMG ONE [Official] Mercedes-AMG Project ONE
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The Mercedes-AMG One (R50, previously known as Project One) is a limited-production plug-in dual hybrid sports car manufactured by Mercedes-AMG, featuring Formula One-derived technology. The Project One concept car was unveiled at the 2017 International Motor Show Germany by the then three-time F1 world champion and Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 driver, Lewis Hamilton and head of Mercedes-Benz, Dieter Zetsche. The production version of the AMG One was unveiled on June 1, 2022 and production began in August.
I've made aware by people that (possibly) know it's "around the 6.30" mark. Guess we will find out.
Moctecus
Bavarian Cruiser
Well, Misha Charoudin said back in August the car did a 6:32 on a recon lap back. So a maximum-attack lap with a fine-tuned car under better track conditions should be under 6:30.
On another topic, it seems Mercedes-AMG used the last couple of months to work on the reliability of the One. The video I posted earlier is this week's AMG TrackWeek event at Barcelona. Cort Wagner, one of the attendees, on the car:
I'd hazard a guess some higher ups weren't too happy about the well-publicised issues during that Nürburgring event a couple of months ago…
On another topic, it seems Mercedes-AMG used the last couple of months to work on the reliability of the One. The video I posted earlier is this week's AMG TrackWeek event at Barcelona. Cort Wagner, one of the attendees, on the car:
and
[sources: 1, 2]
I'd hazard a guess some higher ups weren't too happy about the well-publicised issues during that Nürburgring event a couple of months ago…
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
Mercedes-AMG One mit Formel-1-Technik: Jetzt auch noch der Monza-Rekord
Mercedes-AMG bringt mit dem One Formel-1-Technik auf die Straße. Wie schnell das Hybrid-Hypercar ist, hat Werksfahrer Maro Engel bereits auf mehreren Rennstrecken bewiesen.
www.auto-motor-und-sport.de
"Maintenance costs: up to 850,000 euros
If you use the One so heavily, you should be prepared for escalating maintenance costs. According to an Instagram user's post, Mercedes-AMG states in the sales contract that the One "requires a service every 31,000 miles (approx. 49,890 km) in addition to the regular service intervals, so that critical powertrain components can be checked and replaced if necessary. " This service CAN cost “up to a maximum of 850,000 euros”, as the manufacturer confirmed when asked. This is a WORST-CASE scenario IF the ENTIRE powertrain had to be reworked. A service in which all fluids are checked and changed, among other things, is due once a year or every 5,000 kilometers. AMG does not provide any information on the costs of this annual inspection."
It reads differently, if you read it differently. Which is ofcourse individual.
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
That's the point my friend.
It was in certain quarters very highly "misconstrued" shall we say.
Bridster
Oversteer Expert
Motor1 - Mercedes Hints At Imminent Nurburgring Record With AMG One Hypercar
Looks like we might get a lap after all... I was wondering what was taking them so long - usually they release it within about a week of the attempt and it's now been 10 days. Let's see if we get it this week or if we have to wait until LA Auto Show (November 17). They might be saving it for then.
Looks like we might get a lap after all... I was wondering what was taking them so long - usually they release it within about a week of the attempt and it's now been 10 days. Let's see if we get it this week or if we have to wait until LA Auto Show (November 17). They might be saving it for then.
Moctecus
Bavarian Cruiser
AMG are not being subtle in their Instagram story:
It took them 14 days to release the lap time for the Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series. Maybe they'll release it during the Brazilian Grand Prix weekend to capitalize on the F1-connection. I expect they will put in some effort to get the biggest marketing benefit from this record lap. Something to counteract the negativity stemming from the long development time and the worse than expected specs on the production car.
Looking at the images, it appears that they did the lap with the teal-less silver car (LB ON 258). That should be the car Chris Harris switched to after the other one (LB ON 175) kept malfunctioning. All other journos and influencers only drove the 175 car. As with the GT R Pro & Black Series laps, it was Maro Engel at the wheel. I actually hadn't noticed him on the images that appeared on Instagram before.
It took them 14 days to release the lap time for the Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series. Maybe they'll release it during the Brazilian Grand Prix weekend to capitalize on the F1-connection. I expect they will put in some effort to get the biggest marketing benefit from this record lap. Something to counteract the negativity stemming from the long development time and the worse than expected specs on the production car.
Looking at the images, it appears that they did the lap with the teal-less silver car (LB ON 258). That should be the car Chris Harris switched to after the other one (LB ON 175) kept malfunctioning. All other journos and influencers only drove the 175 car. As with the GT R Pro & Black Series laps, it was Maro Engel at the wheel. I actually hadn't noticed him on the images that appeared on Instagram before.
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Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
Misha gives his thoughts within, Mercedes actually released the press materials to him prior to their own official announcement. They must respect him very highly.
Edit if I heard right they ONLY had four laps? That means room for possible improvement and conditions were hardly ideal.
Grosser
Stuttgart Specialist
So, I just cued up that lap and an on board from a Mercedes-AMG GT GT3 (Team Getspeed).
The One pulls out a small lead (1-2 seconds) on the run from Hatzenbach to Aremberg, the GT3 then catches up slightly by Berwerk, but then drops back a bit on the long run towards the Carousel, it's then caught back up by the mini-carousel and goes under the gantry at about the same time, if not in the lead. Then, it looses out to the tune of about 5 seconds along the Dottinger by the time they go under the bridge. The GT3 would have been running with a BoP.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
Exactly as much as 6:20 and much closer than 6:15.So close brother
leylandi
Nürburgring Navigator
Maro Engel beats previous record for road-legal production cars by a remarkable eight seconds despite less-than-ideal track conditions.
Based on the track variant known from the sport auto Super Test, the lap time is 6:30.705 minutes.
That was really an unforgettable experience,” said Maro Engel after completing the record lap. “I didn’t expect that we would be able to set such a lap time with these track conditions. In some crucial areas of the track, it hadn’t dried completely yet and was therefore tricky. That was a special challenge. We tried to find the optimal deployment strategy during the pre-tests. Like Lewis Hamilton and George Russell on their race weekends, I also had to deploy the electrical energy of the hybrid drive in the best possible way. That’s not easy, especially with this length of track. In addition, the DRS function had to be used optimally.
At first, it didn't look like a new record. The weather was sunny with a light wind, but the track was – typical of the Nürburgring in autumn – still damp and partly dirty in some areas. In some sections, such as the fast “Kesselchen” section, the ideal line had not yet completely dried. All in all, they were not ideal conditions – especially for a vehicle in this extreme performance class. By the time the track was passable for a first fast lap, the remaining time had whittled down to less than an hour. With air and asphalt temperatures of just under 20 degrees Celsius, this was only enough for a maximum of four fast laps.
Mercedes-AMG brought two ONEs to the Ring, which meant that the limited time could be used effectively. According to the specifications of Nürburgring 1927 GmbH & Co. KG, both vehicles were inspected and documented by TÜV Rheinland to ensure that they were in series production. A notary confirmed the proper condition of the vehicles and the correct execution of the record runs.
The record lap in the hybrid super sports car with Formula 1™ technology required not only driving skills, but also an intelligent driving style: Maro Engel used special energy management for the lap of the 20.8 km Nordschleife. This means that he could not accelerate to the maximum possible speed on all sections of the track, but also had to manage his energy. To do this, he used the four-stage Energy Flow Control (EFC) of the AMG ONE and let off the gas a little earlier in some sections, known as “lift and coast” in technical jargon. In addition, Maro also used energy recovery in the braking phases. Thus, even on the long Döttinger Höhe, the high-performance battery still offered enough power for a 338 km/h top speed.
group-media.mercedes-benz.com
Based on the track variant known from the sport auto Super Test, the lap time is 6:30.705 minutes.
That was really an unforgettable experience,” said Maro Engel after completing the record lap. “I didn’t expect that we would be able to set such a lap time with these track conditions. In some crucial areas of the track, it hadn’t dried completely yet and was therefore tricky. That was a special challenge. We tried to find the optimal deployment strategy during the pre-tests. Like Lewis Hamilton and George Russell on their race weekends, I also had to deploy the electrical energy of the hybrid drive in the best possible way. That’s not easy, especially with this length of track. In addition, the DRS function had to be used optimally.
At first, it didn't look like a new record. The weather was sunny with a light wind, but the track was – typical of the Nürburgring in autumn – still damp and partly dirty in some areas. In some sections, such as the fast “Kesselchen” section, the ideal line had not yet completely dried. All in all, they were not ideal conditions – especially for a vehicle in this extreme performance class. By the time the track was passable for a first fast lap, the remaining time had whittled down to less than an hour. With air and asphalt temperatures of just under 20 degrees Celsius, this was only enough for a maximum of four fast laps.
Mercedes-AMG brought two ONEs to the Ring, which meant that the limited time could be used effectively. According to the specifications of Nürburgring 1927 GmbH & Co. KG, both vehicles were inspected and documented by TÜV Rheinland to ensure that they were in series production. A notary confirmed the proper condition of the vehicles and the correct execution of the record runs.
The record lap in the hybrid super sports car with Formula 1™ technology required not only driving skills, but also an intelligent driving style: Maro Engel used special energy management for the lap of the 20.8 km Nordschleife. This means that he could not accelerate to the maximum possible speed on all sections of the track, but also had to manage his energy. To do this, he used the four-stage Energy Flow Control (EFC) of the AMG ONE and let off the gas a little earlier in some sections, known as “lift and coast” in technical jargon. In addition, Maro also used energy recovery in the braking phases. Thus, even on the long Döttinger Höhe, the high-performance battery still offered enough power for a 338 km/h top speed.
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Bridster
Oversteer Expert
Alright, so some analysis of the lap:
First off, the conditions weren't perfect, one section was still slightly damp, so maybe they could find another second or so.
As far as cornering speeds go, it was very close (slightly faster actually) to 991.2 GT3RS/GT2RS MR. Which is very good as that would put it third among production cars (after Radical SR8 RX and 992 GT3RS) and fifth among all road legal cars (after those two, 992 GT3 MR and 991.2 GT3RS MR).
I also looked at acceleration. 100-200km/h times were: 4.3s, 4.5s, 4.4s, 4.2s. Mercedes claims 4.1s, which is likely achievable if the car has and can deploy full electric power. The only 200-300km/h time was 8.5s (slightly downhill). Mercedes claims 8.6s. So their acceleration claims seem quite legit (and their 0-100km/h is likely very conservative).
Overall, it's pretty much what I expected. The lap record could stand for a couple of years, as I don't see many cars that could break it and those that perhaps could (like the Valkyrie) will probably never be sent around the track by the factory. The next hypercars from Mclaren and Ferrari coming in 2024/25 might be able to, but neither manufacturer participates in the N-ring game. Lamborghini does and the Aventador successor is being revealed next year, but I don't think it will be faster. The 992 GT2RS, if it exists, might be able to beat it, but with the AMG ONE being 13s faster than the 992 GT3RS, it's not a done deal.
First off, the conditions weren't perfect, one section was still slightly damp, so maybe they could find another second or so.
As far as cornering speeds go, it was very close (slightly faster actually) to 991.2 GT3RS/GT2RS MR. Which is very good as that would put it third among production cars (after Radical SR8 RX and 992 GT3RS) and fifth among all road legal cars (after those two, 992 GT3 MR and 991.2 GT3RS MR).
I also looked at acceleration. 100-200km/h times were: 4.3s, 4.5s, 4.4s, 4.2s. Mercedes claims 4.1s, which is likely achievable if the car has and can deploy full electric power. The only 200-300km/h time was 8.5s (slightly downhill). Mercedes claims 8.6s. So their acceleration claims seem quite legit (and their 0-100km/h is likely very conservative).
Overall, it's pretty much what I expected. The lap record could stand for a couple of years, as I don't see many cars that could break it and those that perhaps could (like the Valkyrie) will probably never be sent around the track by the factory. The next hypercars from Mclaren and Ferrari coming in 2024/25 might be able to, but neither manufacturer participates in the N-ring game. Lamborghini does and the Aventador successor is being revealed next year, but I don't think it will be faster. The 992 GT2RS, if it exists, might be able to beat it, but with the AMG ONE being 13s faster than the 992 GT3RS, it's not a done deal.
TopspeedPT
Track Technician
..........................Mercedes-AMG ONE: 6:35.18 (20.831Km)
................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS MR: 6:40.33 (20.6Km)
......Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: 6:43.62 (20.6Km)
............Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 6:44.97 (20.6Km)
..........................Porsche 992 GT3 RS: 6:44.84 (20.6Km)
.......................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS: 6:47.30 (20.6Km)
......Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: 6:48.05 (20.831Km)
...........................Porsche 992 GT3 RS: 6:49.33 (20.831Km)
................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS MR: 6:49.66 (20.6Km)
.Lamborghini Huracán Performante: 6:52.01 (20.6Km)
.................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS MR: 6:54.34 (20.831Km)
.................................Porsche 992 GT3: 6:55.20 (20.6Km)
........................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS: 6:56.40 (20.6Km)
............................Porsche 918 Spyder: 6:57.00 (20.6Km)
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 6:59.73 (20.6Km)
..................................Porsche 992 GT3: 6:59.93 (20.831Km)
................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS MR: 6:40.33 (20.6Km)
......Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: 6:43.62 (20.6Km)
............Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 6:44.97 (20.6Km)
..........................Porsche 992 GT3 RS: 6:44.84 (20.6Km)
.......................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS: 6:47.30 (20.6Km)
......Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: 6:48.05 (20.831Km)
...........................Porsche 992 GT3 RS: 6:49.33 (20.831Km)
................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS MR: 6:49.66 (20.6Km)
.Lamborghini Huracán Performante: 6:52.01 (20.6Km)
.................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS MR: 6:54.34 (20.831Km)
.................................Porsche 992 GT3: 6:55.20 (20.6Km)
........................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS: 6:56.40 (20.6Km)
............................Porsche 918 Spyder: 6:57.00 (20.6Km)
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 6:59.73 (20.6Km)
..................................Porsche 992 GT3: 6:59.93 (20.831Km)
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
From Brixworth, amongst others? Never doubted them at all, but they've taken some beatings metaphorically speaking in other places. Hopefully this will re address that situation. An amazing feat of engineering but extremely complex to bring to fruition.
Hopefully the production final specifications ones live up to their clients expectations. I'm sure they will!
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