P1 [Official] McLaren P1 Supercar

[Betty Swollocks]

If McLaren had taken the moral high ground from the start then I would have respect for them. To do it this way then I can only assume it didn't beat the Porsche. Nurburgring lap times are a bit naff so I would have preferred the former.

Still think the P1 is gorgeous.

 

[Sunny]

Either they didn't beat Porsche time or they are waiting for Ferrari to reveal LaFerrai's time.

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[Monster]

Either they didn't beat Porsche time or they are waiting for Ferrari to reveal LaFerrai's time.

Love the way the active diffuser flaps were constantly adjusting themselves from corner to corner.



I guess they might be waiting, but given what they have said already, Mclaren will look like a huge hypocrite if they do release the time if..Ferrari ever release the lap time of their car. I am quite impressed by how Ferrari has handled the launch of the LaFerrari, they didn't drip feed the information over a painfully long period of time, and they gave us a feature packed press release at the time of the launch. There were no messing around, and they definitely didn't make any hyperbolic claims.

 

[LaArtist]

Ferrari are not new to this game..they have everything planned from start to finish..

I just want them to surprise us this time around, and post a lap time..to make fools shut up..

Gotta love the Lafer.. hope its hybrid system can hold 1 lap..without it i dont think any of these cars are much faster than the Huayra

 

[Mark ANTAR]

That is such BS..

The discussions are on fire at other forums.. Mclaren fanboys were so confident, and now they try to defend this decision.
When they back in the days criticized Ferrari for never releasing times.
This is Mclaren.. Mclaren where Ron Dennis said the p1 will kill everything, and also Mclaren who partook in various lap time and high speed runs with their past cars..

I call MAJOR BS on this, there is no way in hell you pay money and take out time to go all the way to N ring..and then BEAT the time..and still don't publish it.. Nothing BUT positives can come out of it..

For the safety off others...pfff.. they didn't beat that time is more likely..

And fools thought it would be faster than the Zonda R... i mean the delusions of fan boys..

Those "fools" are still confident that the P1 went faster than the 918 around the 'Ring. I'm not making things up, just stating what I've been told by one of the heads at McLaren Automotive and I do trust them.

P.S. Someone tweeted this 2 hours ago:

‏@RacingPuma
2h
@harrismonkey Today's Autocar #McLaren P1 supplement hints P1 has done 'Ring time c. 6min 40ish but McL want better before going public

 

[Mark ANTAR]

Now this sounds like a proper explanation, i can buy this.. all day over the safety concern BS

So rumors of failure are in full swing. My personal favorite is that McLaren's hybrid system isn't capable of providing power through the whole 12.9-mile circuit. This post on the the seriously devoted McLarenLife forum explains that the Porshe 918 may have more battery capacity than the P1. Beyond that, the 918 may be better at recharging its battery than the P1. The 918 can recharge its batteries with its brakes, whereas the P1 can only recharge with engine braking, as this other McLarenLife post points out.1
I've heard personally that the P1 might require two recharges for it to deliver full electric power over a single lap of the 'Ring.
Many on McLarenLife presume the car is running hot laps sector-by-sector rather than attempting full laps.

German engineering wins it again.. according to rumors Ferrari is also struggling with the KERS..
Big up to Porsche!

PS
THIS!

Horacio Pagani, who arguably builds the most 'super' supercars in the business these days, was right when he said that the P1 is missing the emotion you expect from it. Its carbon tub is too similar to the one in the 12c. Its engine is too similar, too. It's not as pretty as the old F1.

Wow, that is pure ignorance!
P1's battery DOES NOT run out of juice on the 'Ring. It actually recharges and discharges twice in a full hot lap on the Nurburgring.

What Horacio said is wrong in so many ways. Maybe he was busy cutting some slick tires in his backyard.

 

[Monster]

Mark, do you know if Mclaren will officially release the Ring time in the future, even after what has been said by them from just a few days ago?

 

[Mark ANTAR]

Mark, do you know if Mclaren will officially release the Ring time in the future, even after what has been said by them from just a few days ago?

I was told that they had a target, it was well below 6:57 and that they know they can achieve it. That was a few days before they went back to the 'Ring in October. I never expected them to not release a lap time, I was disappointed when I heard the news to be frank. We might hear something official from McLaren regarding all of that soon, not expecting it to be the lap time though.

 

[RS2000 4X4]

When you start with A make sure you end at Z. One cannot start a commotion over we have the best car and we will prove it with a superior laptime, to finish with:"we arent going to reveal it because of safety concers for our competion".

They will only feed the gossip even further that they have not succeded in their mission. I guess there could be truth in the rumours of the batterie in the P1 and the sector times...

If the laptime was beaten like they say they have, they would announce it.

 

[Soup]

 

[LaArtist]

Those "fools" are still confident that the P1 went faster than the 918 around the 'Ring. I'm not making things up, just stating what I've been told by one of the heads at McLaren Automotive and I do trust them.

P.S. Someone tweeted this 2 hours ago:

Lol at that tweet and those Heads.. if your a head of Mclaren Automotive, you should know better than to f#ck up a public boast by your cheif..and instead running around telling Mr. Antar your business..
Tell him that from me, and say hi.

Wow, that is pure ignorance!
P1's battery DOES NOT run out of juice on the 'Ring. It actually recharges and discharges twice in a full hot lap on the Nurburgring.

According to whom?

 

[Soup]

 

[klier]

I said damn.

The mighty F1 still holds it's own.

 

[Bridster]

237bhp/liter - Well, that is impressive. However, not quite as good as the Bloodhound SSC - Cosworth F1 2.4l V8 engine + Eurojet EJ200 jet engine + custom hybrid rocket = 55415bhp/liter.

 

[Sunny]

 

[emve]

Yet another marketing fail for McLaren. I reckon the car will fail just like 12C did and market prices will drop like a rock in 3 years from 1M EUR to about 300-400K EUR. Which is reasonable price for a rebodied 12C with KERS.

All in all, the P1 is more like a kit-car, reminds me of old SSC Aero. Whereas 918 is a proper masterpiece. The attention to detail and the amount of work Porsche did is amazing.

 

[paxah]

Yet another marketing fail for McLaren. I reckon the car will fail just like 12C did and market prices will drop like a rock in 3 years from 1M EUR to about 300-400K EUR. Which is reasonable price for a rebodied 12C with KERS.

All in all, the P1 is more like a kit-car, reminds me of old SSC Aero. Whereas 918 is a proper masterpiece. The attention to detail and the amount of work Porsche did is amazing.

I am a big fan of the 918, but you cannot call P1 a rebodied 12C with KERS. I know the amount of work McLaren spent developing the P1 is immense. It will be monumental. Just watch.
P.S: The P1 only shares 10% of the engine, the monocoque (Heavily modified) and few other small things. The decision to make the P1 hybrid was taken in 2009 by McLaren, so they are real innovators here, as well as Porsche, unlike Ferrari.

 

[Monster]

I am a big fan of the 918, but you cannot call P1 a rebodied 12C with KERS. I know the amount of work McLaren spent developing the P1 is immense. It will be monumental. Just watch.
P.S: The P1 only shares 10% of the engine, the monocoque (Heavily modified) and few other small things. The decision to make the P1 hybrid was taken in 2009 by McLaren, so they are real innovators here, as well as Porsche, unlike Ferrari.

Have to disagree with your point about Ferrari, they have shown they have started their research of hybrid power in their Millechili concept car in 2007. The electric motor was designed to power the rear wheels in between gear shifts. The application might be different at the time but it showed Ferrari has started their development of performance enhancing hybrid tech already. Ferrari might have taken a different path with their development but you can't say they aren't a real innovator.

Yet another marketing fail for McLaren. I reckon the car will fail just like 12C did and market prices will drop like a rock in 3 years from 1M EUR to about 300-400K EUR. Which is reasonable price for a rebodied 12C with KERS.
All in all, the P1 is more like a kit-car, reminds me of old SSC Aero. Whereas 918 is a proper masterpiece. The attention to detail and the amount of work Porsche did is amazing.

The P1 is more than just a rebodied 12C with KERS, if you are actually interested you can read through all the information about the P1 posted in the earlier pages of this thread, because it seem like you haven't.

 

[paxah]

Tbh Ferrari are quite innovative at times, you are right. Although Luca di montezemolo said that the 918 was a real influence on the decision they took (to use electric motors the same way Porsche did). I read it in Autocar when they interviewed him at Geneva 2013. But I agree with you on all the points you've made

 

[Mark ANTAR]

Yet another marketing fail for McLaren. I reckon the car will fail just like 12C did and market prices will drop like a rock in 3 years from 1M EUR to about 300-400K EUR. Which is reasonable price for a rebodied 12C with KERS.

All in all, the P1 is more like a kit-car, reminds me of old SSC Aero. Whereas 918 is a proper masterpiece. The attention to detail and the amount of work Porsche did is amazing.

No Sir, you're wrong! Marketing fail? Maybe. Rebodied 12C? Not the slightest.

The engine is 90% new (the block is completely different, redesigned cylinder heads, combustion chambers, exhaust valves. Oil and water pumps are new, the oil tank is different and the turbochargers are bespoke). the MonoCage is way more complex than that of the 12C (it is a one piece carbon tub, it incorporates the roof structure, the roof snorkel with the air tunnels inside it and the IPAS battery and power electronics, while also meeting full FIA loads and all world crash requirements). A new groundbreaking suspension, a heavily revised gearbox, a state of the art hybrid system and the electric motor was developed by McLaren Electronics. Bespoke brakes (new type of ceramic carbon disc, never before used on a road car). The wheels are made from a new type of aluminium alloy (first time to be used for wheels on a road car, having previously been used for military applications, it is as light as magnesium but stronger). Bespoke tyres, world leading aerodynamics, the interior is also totally bespoke (expect for the few shared buttons) and it only weighs 65kg, it only has 5 body panels (front clamshell which includes the boot, rear clamshell which includes the air tunnels for the side radiators, front bonnet and the 2 doors), the full carbon fiber body structure weighs only 90kg.