P1 [Official] McLaren P1 Supercar

[Mark ANTAR]

This P1 is now at The Collection in Miami for a private showing:

Photo by 'Kaceresm'.

Video: http://bit.ly/HihPFD

Photos and video by 'AM Photography'.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I think this car has now overtaken the F12berlinetta as my favourite car in the world. If only I had space in my garage but I just love my VW Up! too much.

 

[Deckhook]

I think this car has now overtaken the F12berlinetta as my favourite car in the world. If only I had space in my garage but I just love my VW Up! too much.

Like how could a P1 compare to the Up. lol

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Like how could a P1 compare to the Up. lol

It's funny. Many people have asked me why I would drive my Up! when I've got an R8 sitting there. Well, when I've been negotiating heavy traffic and attempting to slot my Up! into a tight parking space, at no point have I thought "I wish I was driving my R8 right now".

 

[Deckhook]

^No explanation needed mate, I was only having a laugh. I got the chance to drive the Up a couple of months ago when I dropped the son's Polo in for a service for him. Cute little car that had me grinning from ear to ear.

 

[Centurion]

What re those two huge caps for, engine and gearbox oil? They look like the type of caps that will void warranty if they are not opened by a £200/hour Mclaren F1 engineer.

 

[Monster]

What re those two huge caps for, engine and gearbox oil? They look like the type of caps that will void warranty if they are not opened by a £200/hour Mclaren F1 engineer.

Those round caps are the back of the electric fans for extracting hot air from the rear mounted radiators.

 

[Mark ANTAR]

Shmee150 gets a ride in one of the first production P1s:

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[RS2000 4X4]

I wish I was the passenger... or even better: the driver

Have to say it looks really spot on in blue!!! Even in this video it looked stunning, pictures dont show it that much.

 

[Mark ANTAR]

That looked like real fun!

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[RS2000 4X4]

I just read on Jalopnik that McLaren ist going to announce a laptime

They just confirmed that it went under 7 minutes, thats it. Due to reasons of security they wont reveal the time so that others wont get hurt in attempting a laptime. Djeezes starting a commotion about the laptime and then refusing to announce it whereas, Porsche has even put a video of their lap on the internet seems very silly to me!!! I could have understood it if they have never given a big deal about the laptime but now???

I am really dissapointed

This will only feed the rumours that they have measured sectors of the lap, but not the whole lap and the best time they got was a 7.04...

Dont know what to think of it, you???

 

[klier]

I'd assume it to be faster than the 918, but who knows? They don't have the Porsche magic?

 

[LaArtist]

I just read on Jalopnik that McLaren ist going to announce a laptime

They just confirmed that it went under 7 minutes, thats it. Due to reasons of security they wont reveal the time so that others wont get hurt in attempting a laptime. Djeezes starting a commotion about the laptime and then refusing to announce it whereas, Porsche has even put a video of their lap on the internet seems very silly to me!!! I could have understood it if they have never given a big deal about the laptime but now???

I am really dissapointed

This will only feed the rumours that they have measured sectors of the lap, but not the whole lap and the best time they got was a 7.04...

Dont know what to think of it, you???

That is such BS..

The discussions are on fire at other forums.. Mclaren fanboys were so confident, and now they try to defend this decision.
When they back in the days criticized Ferrari for never releasing times.
This is Mclaren.. Mclaren where Ron Dennis said the p1 will kill everything, and also Mclaren who partook in various lap time and high speed runs with their past cars..

I call MAJOR BS on this, there is no way in hell you pay money and take out time to go all the way to N ring..and then BEAT the time..and still don't publish it.. Nothing BUT positives can come out of it..

For the safety off others...pfff.. they didn't beat that time is more likely..

And fools thought it would be faster than the Zonda R... i mean the delusions of fan boys..

 

[Sunny]

I just read on Jalopnik that McLaren ist going to announce a laptime

They just confirmed that it went under 7 minutes, thats it. Due to reasons of security they wont reveal the time so that others wont get hurt in attempting a laptime. Djeezes starting a commotion about the laptime and then refusing to announce it whereas, Porsche has even put a video of their lap on the internet seems very silly to me!!! I could have understood it if they have never given a big deal about the laptime but now???

I am really dissapointed

This will only feed the rumours that they have measured sectors of the lap, but not the whole lap and the best time they got was a 7.04...

Dont know what to think of it, you???

Cope out! I agree that the ring time has become a pissing match. But if you are going to claim even "under 7 mins" put a video showing it. Else shut up.

Here is the whole shebang per Jalopnik - http://jalopnik.com/did-the-mclaren-p1-get-beaten-at-the-nurburgring-1458393775

 

[LaArtist]

Now this sounds like a proper explanation, i can buy this.. all day over the safety concern BS

So rumors of failure are in full swing. My personal favorite is that McLaren's hybrid system isn't capable of providing power through the whole 12.9-mile circuit. This post on the the seriously devoted McLarenLife forum explains that the Porshe 918 may have more battery capacity than the P1. Beyond that, the 918 may be better at recharging its battery than the P1. The 918 can recharge its batteries with its brakes, whereas the P1 can only recharge with engine braking, as this other McLarenLife post points out.1
I've heard personally that the P1 might require two recharges for it to deliver full electric power over a single lap of the 'Ring.
Many on McLarenLife presume the car is running hot laps sector-by-sector rather than attempting full laps.

German engineering wins it again.. according to rumors Ferrari is also struggling with the KERS..
Big up to Porsche!

PS
THIS!

Horacio Pagani, who arguably builds the most 'super' supercars in the business these days, was right when he said that the P1 is missing the emotion you expect from it. Its carbon tub is too similar to the one in the 12c. Its engine is too similar, too. It's not as pretty as the old F1.

 

[Sunny]

^May be McLaren should take a page from Horatio's "How to cheat on lap times" book?

Its engine is too similar, too.

P1's engine is as different from P12 as the Huayra is from SL65 or Zonda's is from it's Mercedes donor engines.

 

[LaArtist]

^ Atleast they would have a lap time to show for then

Probably true about the engine, but then again im not really educated to know which one is more altered from their original form..

Maybe you are with such a claim?

 

[Monster]

Just went through the Nick Trott's article, and the link from Jalopnik. What a load of BS it is from EVO and from Mclaren. First Mclaren made bold claims about the car's performance on track, then it won't walk the walk by not backing up the claim with evidences. Instead Mclaren took the arrogant approach by taking the "moral high ground", saying "Oh our car did meet our own internal targets" without any further clarification besides the vague sub 7 min prediction announced earlier. Now they don't want anyone else to try and match their mythical time because they don't want others to hurt themselves. This is just soft. So Mclaren "Don't want to encourage competition" it is more like they want to discourage competition because they can't do the times and they don't want anyone else to add further embarrassment to them. Mclaren also claimed they have the support from the car's owners. Their customers can do whatever they want but it won't stop some from taking their cars to the track or hiring a professional driver to test their cars on the Ring.

EVO is just as soft, in fact as a fan of motor sport and car enthusiasts, I am disgusted by this comment

"After Sean Edwards’ death, and evo columnist Dario Franchitti’s terrifying accident last month, the world of performance motoring – and the Nordschleife – does not need any more tragedy or any more controversy."

Sean Edwards died while he was instructing another driver on the track, the cause of the accident was unknown at this stage, Dario Franchitti's accident occurred in a race, it is not comparable to lapping a car on an empty circuit. Should we simply stop all forms of racing then?

Some might argue that Ring times are irrelevant, and I agree as well but when a manufacturer made such bold claims before the car was launched then they should have the balls to back it up. Ferdinand Piech did it with the Veyron and he dam well delivered the car in the end.

 

[Bridster]

So rumors of failure are in full swing. My personal favorite is that McLaren's hybrid system isn't capable of providing power through the whole 12.9-mile circuit. This post on the the seriously devoted McLarenLife forum explains that the Porshe 918 may have more battery capacity than the P1. Beyond that, the 918 may be better at recharging its battery than the P1. The 918 can recharge its batteries with its brakes, whereas the P1 can only recharge with engine braking, as this other McLarenLife post points out.1
I've heard personally that the P1 might require two recharges for it to deliver full electric power over a single lap of the 'Ring.
Many on McLarenLife presume the car is running hot laps sector-by-sector rather than attempting full laps.

That would probably be my guess as well. The abilities of the electric power systems have been left relatively mysterious with respect to how long they are able to work at full power and how quickly they recharge on all the three new supercars. A bit too mysterious really, considering that for the most part everyone tends to think of them as having the full combined hybrid power at their disposal at all times, the acceleration times are no doubt achieved using the full power, and overall when anyone talks about how fast they are, they most likely think about how fast they are with 903, 887 or 950bhp and not just using their combustion engines and carrying an extra weight around.

Either way, seeing how many people had Mclaren's PR department convinced P1 could post miraculously quick laptimes, like equaling Zonda R's 6:47 time achieved on slick tires, I would expect of them something more than claiming they are not posting their lap time because they care about safety of other companies' test drivers. Doesn't that go against the spirit of racing and competition Mclaren is supposed to be the embodiment of? Maybe they have scored their 12 F1 championships by instructing their drivers to let other drivers pass - or not to pass them - rather than putting either of them in some perceivable danger, perhaps?

But yeah, there surely aren't that many options when you've been telling everyone for the past several months about how fast and capable the P1 is, and you are, in fact, a company that has based all of its prestige on, and stated all of its goals to be, achieving the greatest performance possible and beating, by numbers, all your rivals.

 

[martinbo]

Fascinating - one of the more interesting discussions in a long time. I know jack about hybrid-energy recovery and battery charging so I'm looking to learn some cool stuff from this discussion. Oh, and McLaren... WTF?