4 Series [Official] BMW 4-Series Convertible (G23)

[Rolf]

The 4-series Convertible looks so better than the coupe. The rear looks much more pleasing with the longer flatter boot.

 

[Rolf]

BMW 4 Series Convertible engines

	BMW 420i convertible	BMW 430i convertible	BMW M440i xDrive convertible	BMW 420d convertible
Type / cylinder / valves	R / 4/4	R / 4/4	R / 6/4	R / 4/4
Displacement	1,998 cc	1,998 cc	2,998 cc	1,995 cc
fuel	min RON 91	min RON 91	min RON 91	diesel
power	184 hp	258 hp	374 hp	190 hp
at speed	5,000 - 6,500 rpm	5,000 - 6,500 rpm	5,500 - 6,500 rpm	4,000 rpm
Torque	300 Nm	400 Nm	500 Nm	400 Nm
at speed	1,350-4,000 rpm	1,550 - 4,400 rpm	1,900 - 5,000 rpm	1,750 - 2,500 rpm
48 volt mild hybrid technology output	-	-	8 kW / 11 PS	8 kW / 11 PS
Performance
Acceleration 0-100 km / h	8.2 s	6.2 s	4.9 s	7.6 s
Top speed	236 km / h	250 km / h	250 km / h	236 km / h
Consumption in the EU cycle
urban	7.1 - 7.4 l / 100 km	7.5 - 7.8 l / 100 km	8.9 - 9.3 l / 100 km	4.7 - 5.0 l / 100 km
extra-urban	4.9 - 5.4 l / 100 km	5.2 - 5.6 l / 100 km	5.8 - 6.2 l / 100 km	3.9 - 4.3 l / 100 km
a total of	5.7 - 6.1 l / 100 km	6.0 - 6.4 l / 100 km	6.9 - 7.4 l / 100 km	4.2 - 4.5 l / 100 km

 

[klier]

I've always had a soft spot for BMW cabriolets, and really it's no different with this one. They've come a long way since the E30 cabrio, and IMO all are great.
I agree with the ones saying it looks better than the coupe. The shape with the roof up is like a traditional old school coupe, and it's gorgeous in profile.

 

[MrRapp]

It’s a great new addition to the line-up and I think she’s beautiful. All the criticism uttered with each introduction of late by some who call themselves enthousiasts reminds me of someone who is utterly surprised that his high school crush has grown older and perhaps less attractive when seeing her again at a reunion 30 years later. However, they just forgot looking in the mirror to see they lost their hair, grown other hair at unusual places and showing some teeth decay.

 

[Serpens]

I'm going to have to see this in person. I'm willing to believe it has to look better in person than it does in these photos.

 

[Matski]

All the criticism uttered with each introduction of late by some who call themselves enthousiasts reminds me of someone who is utterly surprised that his high school crush has grown older and perhaps less attractive when seeing her again at a reunion 30 years later. However, they just forgot looking in the mirror to see they lost their hair, grown other hair at unusual places and showing some teeth decay.

I'm not sure it's that, but I'd agree the more negative (dare I say 'toxic') opinions on the internet, when it comes to anything that has fans - are those from fans turned to haters, and it's really not limited to car forums... though it is very evident on some... umm more brand specific forums, shall we say. But, I can think of multiple other examples, including ones I'm guilty of... if you're a fan of anything that exists for long enough, it's almost inevitable.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

M440i xDrive is 1965kg EU. I could imagine the announced M440d xDrive being 2 tonnes based on the difference between the 420i and 420d being 85kg.

Good handling is not first priority for the buyers of these convertibles, I guess they would buy them even if the weight was 3 tons...

 

[dalab]

That green English is an all time favorite in the right car

 

[Sunny]

It’s a great new addition to the line-up and I think she’s beautiful. All the criticism uttered with each introduction of late by some who call themselves enthousiasts reminds me of someone who is utterly surprised that his high school crush has grown older and perhaps less attractive when seeing her again at a reunion 30 years later. However, they just forgot looking in the mirror to see they lost their hair, grown other hair at unusual places and showing some teeth decay.

So you are saying as people age their standards in cars should also lower? And they should now be okay with less sporty, more ugly cars cause they themselves also look physically less attractive now than they did 20 years ago? I like analogies, but that is one stupid one.

 

[dalab]

It’s a great new addition to the line-up and I think she’s beautiful. All the criticism uttered with each introduction of late by some who call themselves enthousiasts reminds me of someone who is utterly surprised that his high school crush has grown older and perhaps less attractive when seeing her again at a reunion 30 years later. However, they just forgot looking in the mirror to see they lost their hair, grown other hair at unusual places and showing some teeth decay.

I'm not sure it's that, but I'd agree the more negative (dare I say 'toxic') opinions on the internet, when it comes to anything that has fans - are those from fans turned to haters, and it's really not limited to car forums... though it is very evident on some... umm more brand specific forums, shall we say. But, I can think of multiple other examples, including ones I'm guilty of... if you're a fan of anything that exists for long enough, it's almost inevitable.

This is on the right track and explains in part all the absurd manifestations that are ruining the forums today, which were once places of expression and consultation.
One would have to ask a millennial if he likes the handling of an E30 325i ... he will say that it is rubbish in comparison, it is a matter of being open-minded and that is seen less and less.
Welcome the fact that many find it horrible and others like it, but it is being saturating and totally irrational in many cases.

 

[dalab]

I like analogies, but that is one stupid one. You are saying as people age their standards in cars should also age? And they should now be okay with less sporty, more shitty cars?

He is saying that people are clinging to what set their tastes in a moment of time and they are not being able to see beyond that, criticizing without contempt or opportunity anything that does not fit their parameters.
Now, how many 70-year-olds do you see buying an Ariel Atom, of course, as the years go by, tastes change, you can continue to like the usual things, but you will also see what pleases and adapts to your age, whatever makes you feel comfortable, that's why there is a target by age, I always love certain cars in which at this point I would not feel comfortable, because the moment is over, therefore I would not buy them.

 

[Sunny]

He is saying that people are clinging to what set their tastes in a moment of time and they are not being able to see beyond that, criticizing without contempt or opportunity anything that does not fit their parameters.

But why should my taste in cars change as I age? I liked BMW in my 20s and got one cause they were fantastic handling cars with great steering feel while at the same time being practical and usable. Things I still value when I am in my 40s now. Why should that change just cause I am 40 now?

And if BMWs stop being what I liked it in the first place, why should I continue to be a fan or pretend to like it?

Now, how many 70-year-olds do you see buying an Ariel Atom,

That is a case of physical limitation, that is not what we are talking about here - I was not expecting BMW to be an Ariel Atom when I was 20, I am not expecting it to be one now.

 

[martinbo]

Well, I'll be 49 in a month's time and I haven't let myself go yet. So why should I lower my standards?
The slapped-on piggy schnozz still looks daft. I can't bring myself to get over it. Results in me dipping back into the G8x thread to find an iota of consolation in the, still very weird, M3/M4 frontal graphic - at least I'm warming to that!

Moreover the G23 Convertible inadvertently shows how the rising beltline of the G22 both doesn't work and is a superfluous design concession.
Who the heck at BMW thought "hey, let's give our coupé pillars the same motif as our SACs"?
Funny how both the 4 Series and 8 Series Convertibles are the best looking cars in their respective ranges.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

how many 70-year-olds do you see buying an Ariel Atom,

old age is the thing that forbids the pleasure of youth with a death threat

 

[Swiss_ZH]

is it just me or are they using a new type of steering wheel?

 

[Matski]

This is on the right track and explains in part all the absurd manifestations that are ruining the forums today

Hyperbole seems to go hand in hand with people wanting to get their opinions heard. It can be frustrating when it's negative, and almost laughable when it's positive (the W223 thread, for example), better get used to it though... it's teh interwebz.

Funny how both the 4 Series and 8 Series Convertibles are the best looking cars in their respective ranges.

I agree on the 4-er, but the 8-er convertible looks somewhat heavy arsed.

 

[MrRapp]

So you are saying as people age their standards in cars should also lower? And they should now be okay with less sporty, more ugly cars cause they themselves also look physically less attractive now than they did 20 years ago? I like analogies, but that is one stupid one.

You totally missed the point. People in their 20s now have different standards and wishes for their cars, markets are just shifting and new demands have to be met. If BMW would not have adapted they would probably be where Alfa Romeo is now. I think they are beautiful and great cars but nobody is buying them anymore. Remember SAAB? Dodo! I have also noticed that my taste has evolved over time and I'm happy that BMW has grown with it so I can still drive one. They are on the sportier side of the market and stand out from the crowd in a positive way, for me that is. If you don't like them anymore, fine, go ahead and buy a different brand. It's your money but to stick to the analogy: all this complaining about someone who may have left you years ago is just not very mature.

 

[dalab]

But why should my taste in cars change as I age? I liked BMW in my 20s and got one cause they were fantastic handling cars with great steering feel while at the same time being practical and usable. Things I still value when I am in my 40s now. Why should that change just cause I am 40 now?
And if BMWs stop being what I liked it in the first place, why should I continue to be a fan or pretend to like it?

I agree, I miss them too, but there are people who preferred to go hand in hand with the brand of their choice in a kind of more "loyalty" different from a more normal "momentary enthusiasm"
It is obvious that they cannot be the same today as they were at that time, so what do we do? My point is that this annoyance of those fans is what is being expressed irrationally in the forums because the cars of the brand that they liked so much are no longer what they expect them to be, and they cannot accept it.
It is good that many people do not like it anymore but instead of fanaticizing themselves for another brand they choose to oust this one.

I have a friend who drives a 3.0CS sedan every day, very neat and if someone offers him any new car instead of that "junk" it is like insulting his mother. Many people enjoy those roots and possibly at some point, I will be one of those.
BMW has kept its DNA evolving forever and that is why I do not consider that what happens is what you said "The brand betrayed its fans" but that past generations of fans are betraying their loyalty for various reasons, it happens that there are legions of new fans buying more and more, for them they are and for those of us who like what they are doing too.

That is a case of physical limitation, that is not what we are talking about here - I was not expecting BMW to be an Ariel Atom when I was 20, I am not expecting it to be one now.

It was an exaggerated example, like when forced you must opt for a MInivan when your family grows up instead of the roadster, and one day you learn to enjoy it because that stinky car is full of family moments, and driving without a roof showing wrinkles becomes occasional , people, grow, change, evolve and companies also because they have to keep selling.

Well, I'll be 49 in a month's time and I haven't let myself go yet. So why should I lower my standards?

On the contrary, the standards must always be kept high, and brands try to keep up, but being an uncompromising fan, who stops understanding, liking, or wanting what that brand offers as it evolves, today is reflected in so many aggressive comments instead of just opting for a new brand that better pleases them

Hyperbole seems to go hand in hand with people wanting to get their opinions heard. It can be frustrating when it's negative, and almost laughable when it's positive (the W223 thread, for example), better get used to it though... it's teh interwebz.

It is like a parallel dimension that does not stop constantly changing much faster than we are prepared to understand, nobody knows if it serves for something positive but just in case it is given much more importance than I think it has

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Not bad in cabrio form, just not enthused about it.

is it just me or are they using a new type of steering wheel?

Looks new to me. Lovely interior spec.

 

[Sunny]

You totally missed the point. People in their 20s now have different standards and wishes for their cars, markets are just shifting and new demands have to be met. If BMW would not have adapted they would probably be where Alfa Romeo is now. I think they are beautiful and great cars but nobody is buying them anymore. Remember SAAB? Dodo!

Thanks, that makes much more sense.
But I think there is a way to adopt to the market while being true to your roots. The things that made BMW, BMW and won the hearts and minds of the enthusiasts world over. And changing to the market without those core values, is to leave yourself at the whims of the market. It is only a matter of time before BMW misses the latest trend, and when it does it will have neither the traditionalists nor the trendsetters.

If you don't like them anymore, fine, go ahead and buy a different brand. It's your money but to stick to the analogy: all this complaining about someone who may have left you years ago is just not very mature.

I have and I do. But mature or not, I do lament the passing of the BMW of the past.

I agree, I miss them too, but there are people who preferred to go hand in hand with the brand of their choice in a kind of more "loyalty" different from a more normal "momentary enthusiasm"

I will just say this - how much ever I agree or disagree with you, I love reading your posts, and how genuine and unjaded they are.