2 Series [Official] BMW 2 Series Gran Coupé (F44)

[Betty Swollocks]

People have been focused so much on the looks that they've neglected to look at the technical data.

And it doesn't look any better there I'm afraid. Here are the dimensions and weight compared with the G20 3 Series. The 220d Gran Coupe only comes with an auto gearbox at the moment, so I'm comparing it with an auto equipped 3 Series.

Dimensions

220d Gran Coupe 320d (G20)

Length: 4,526mm 4,709mm
Width: 1,800mm 1,827mm
Height: 1,420mm 1,435mm

Despite the 3 Series being bigger in every dimension, it weighs 80kg LESS!

220d Gran Coupe: 1,580kg (EU)
320d (G20): 1,530kg (EU)


I can only assume the 2er Gran Coupe is heavier due to the free gold you get in the boot as standard just so people buy it.

 

[martinbo]

Where did it all go so wrong?

When the engine went in sideways.

I can only assume the 2er Gran Coupe is heavier due to the free gold you get in the boot as standard just so people buy it.

Don't be an arse - it's because of all the gratuitous praise heaped upon it. That's some heavy stuff right there.

 

[as7920]

Worst photos yet - I’m not sure if the wheels are too small or the car is too fat

And they are the only supported option if you spec Adaptive M Suspension. Shame as I like the design but look too small IMO.

 

[braaf]

So after so many years the A3 sedan is still the best looking in class.

 

[EnI]

Despite the 3 Series being bigger in every dimension, it weighs 80kg LESS!

220d Gran Coupe: 1,580kg (EU)
320d (G20): 1,530kg (EU)

I can only assume the 2er Gran Coupe is heavier due to the free gold you get in the boot as standard just so people buy it.

Also, 3er is RWD, so featuring a drive shaft & rear differential additionally compared to FWD 2er GC.

So, why such a difference between FAAR & CLAR platforms vehicles? CLAR vehicles feature much more lightweight materials (eg alu, composites etc) compared to FAAR vehicles. FAAR-based models are much more cost sensitive due to lower price tags & thinner profit margins.

CLAR-based models are also M-ready. So the base car has to be lean already, so the M model is easier & cheaper to develop. While FAAR models are not offered in M variant (only as M Performance M1xx, M2xx etc).

 

[TheNewBATMAN]

If we are comparing dimensions, if you look it up, the dimensions of this 2er GranCoupe is virtually identical to the E90, including height.

So this 4-door coupe is not lower than a saloon two generations ago.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Also, 3er is RWD, so featuring a drive shaft & rear differential additionally compared to FWD 2er GC.

So, why such a difference between FAAR & CLAR platforms vehicles? CLAR vehicles feature much more lightweight materials (eg alu, composites etc) compared to FAAR vehicles. FAAR-based models are much more cost sensitive due to lower price tags & thinner profi...

And exactly this makes the difference between premium and economy class.

 

[Cashmere]

In all the years I have been following BMW, never has it looked more like a rudderless ship as it does right now.

• Completely missed the boat on EVs
• Missed the boat on making a desirable sportscar / supercar
• Massive product portfolio designed to fill market niches with more homogenous offerings.

The brand is FAAAR removed from its identity. Finish and CLAAR.

 

[Grosser]

FAAR-based models are much more cost sensitive due to lower price tags & thinner profit margins

But 220d GC is how much cheaper than 320d?

 

[tahar]

 

[Matski]

People have already posted photos of the CLA in this thread, so we don't need any more inferior FWD shitboxes posted to go along with those.. that joke is played out already.

 

[tahar]

 

[klier]

People have been focused so much on the looks that they've neglected to look at the technical data.

Uhm, the technical data is why we have this look, so....

Either way, heavier than the G20. Damn. Why did they even bother and why was this all greenlighted. Stop using Mini platform, BMW. For crying out loud. This is ridiculous.

So, why such a difference between FAAR & CLAR platforms vehicles?

I feel it's mostly due to R&D. BMW is likely spending a tenth or less compared to what VAG spends on it's FWD platform. Not to mention the many decades of lack of any FWD know-how, unlike VAG.

I feel like BMW is now where Mercedes was with their first family of FWD cars like the 1st gen CLA, 2nd gen A, GLA, etc. Those where a total disaster too. This second generation is much better, but still not anywhere near a Golf, IMHO.

So this 4-door coupe is not lower than a saloon two generations ago.

Cars two generations ago were smaller than they are now, so you're messing up your own creativity, but whatever....

 

[dalab]

It looks cute in that black full spec

Always the same arguments to discredit this new model, the fact that the reason for making this car below the 3 series, is simply that the 3 grew in size and maturity leaving room for a new entry level to the brand, and that has to be cheaper, if it is not cheaper it makes NO sense, is it heavier? yes, because the platform is cheaper, this was explained many times - (CLAR vs FAAR).

autocar - 2 SERIES GC " 218GC Available to order now priced from £25,815"
autoexpress - 3 SERIES "The entry-level diesel is the 318d (£32,450)"

The CLA sold around 100,000 / 120,000 units worldwide in 2018, the A3 sedan has no data but must go around, there is a potential market at the right price.
It is clear that they point to people who instead of Focus or a Jetta or many others similar ... Skoda, Honda etc, etc. (more powerful and perhaps more equipped, the latter I do not know), want to change to a prestigious brand for a similar price, (there are studies that I read that this is exactly what people are doing), it is a market of millions of cars.

2019 Volkswagen GLI Starts At $25,995 For 228-HP Sport Sedan
2019 Ford Focus sedan - MSRP Range $17,950 - $24,270

That is why I do not understand why continue to rely on the obvious to defenestrate it ....

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Always the same arguments to discredit this new model.

To be fair, they're pretty good arguments.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

It looks cute in that black full spec

Always the same arguments to discredit this new model, the fact that the reason for making this car below the 3 series, is simply that the 3 grew in size and maturity leaving room for a new entry level to the brand, and that has to be cheaper, if it is not cheaper it makes NO sense, is it heavier? yes, because...

The price comparison is not correct because there is no 218d GC yet. As stated many times already 220d GC is only 450 Euro cheaper than 320d. There will always be stupid people(those 80% that didn't know which wheels are driven) to think that since the brand is premium automatically the car is also premium. This is not true anymore. In the past the cars made BMW a premium brand and not vice-versa.
The saddest thing is that BMW has ready the right platform for this car since soon we'll have the 2er coupe. Having seen in the recent test how indifferent the new FWD 1er behaves dynamically makes me vary said, because this car could be the subling of the new Supra with the same technical data and performance.

 

[dalab]

To be fair, they're pretty good arguments.

They are, but I think we live in a current situation where pragmatic decisions are being made, I am the first to doubt buying a BMW with more head than heart, but I also understand that much of this is about the survival of companies, and we should be grateful that this brand still retains the soul in most of its series and to stay that way it must make certain concessions.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

They are, but I think we live in a current situation where pragmatic decisions are being made, I am the first to doubt buying a BMW with more head than heart, but I also understand that much of this is about the survival of companies, and we should be grateful that this brand still retains the soul in most of its series and to stay that way it must make ce...

BMW can survive even better without the UKL platform, but MINI can't. So BMW is sacrificing its compact range in order to achieve the economy of scale needed from MINI to be profitable. Just sell MINI and produce cars at which the company is good and has the needed tradition and experience.

 

[dalab]

BMW can survive even better without the UKL platform, but MINI can't. So BMW is sacrificing its compact range in order to achieve the economy of scale needed from MINI to be profitable. Just sell MINI and produce cars at which the company is good and has the needed tradition and experience.

I am with you in the emotional part, but we are talking about losing millions of units in sales (almost back to the 90'), the 1 series and this 2 GC are the new "young" entry to the brand and will be the ones who will buy the most expensive RWD in the future, (of course it is also important that to be faithful to the brand you start driving the famous "driving pleasure") for which the RWD was basic, so I agree that it is contradictory.

What if I always defend is MINI, it is a pride for BMW what they have achieved, in addition to adding almost 400,000 units a year to the group, which makes it the world's No. 1 premium manufacturer, and has the potential to Sell twice in a few years.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I am with you in the emotional part, but we are talking about losing millions of units in sales (almost back to the 90'), the 1 series and this 2 GC are the new "young" entry to the brand and will be the ones who will buy the most expensive RWD in the future, (of course it is also important that to be faithful to the brand you start driving the famous "dri...

But MINI is not fulfilling the requested margine as Krüger had explained in the not so distant past. It could be a cult brand but it's not bringing a lot of benefits for BMW. I am not against the 1er and the 2er, I'm just against the fact that they are based on the UKL platform. The production cost per car is decreased with 750 Euro with the shift to the UKL, so it didn't make the car more accessible to younger people. Just BMW is cheating stupid customers that it is selling premium products to them.