e-tron [Official] Audi e-tron

[dalab]

Stunning looking car, inside and out. Lighting game is next level

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Hallucinatory, I love

 

[DjordjeC63]

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The Tesla feels like it has a little more cabin space to offer. The Model X is available with seven seats, of course, and it features far more in the way of boot space. But the quality inside doesn’t quite match the Audi’s.

Comfort goes hand in hand with silent electric running, and it’s something the Audi is better at. Lower road noise, combined with smoother ride quality, more consistent steering and great roadholding, all mean it is excellent to drive regularly.


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Platz 2 mit 462 von 750 Punkten: Tesla Model X. Lauter als nötig, sollte geschmeidiger federn und vor allem in dieser Liga sorgfältiger montiert sein. Reichweite okay, Punch enorm!
Platz 1 mit 515 von 750 Punkten: Audi e-tron. Souveränes Fahr- und Federungsverhalten, bemerkenswerte Fahrleistungen, viel Fahrassistenz – so geht Vollwert-Elektroauto.

In Germany E tron is cheaper than Model X standard range, in Netherlands almost the same price. Yes E tron has larger battery than X standard range but their price is very similar. Model X is faster, but less comfortable and noisier, also with less interior quality.

 

[Rainer271]

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[Yaz]

Starting to see these on the road. Looks really good IMO.

 

[dalab]

SALES 16 HOURS AGO 25/11/2019

Penske: Audi e-tron's slow start worrisome


The head of auto retail giant Penske Automotive says there had been "significant cancellations" of e-tron preorders from consumers, and the main issue was affordability.

affordability?? what exactly will he mean, it's weird, (need subscription)
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[Serpens]

In my personal opinion, the BMW iX3, Mercedes EQC, and Audi e-Tron are all going to be very slow sellers in the U.S. They don't do anything impressive in a market besotten by anything Tesla. Further, the Ford Mustang Mach-E is arriving at a more attractive price point with better performance and range. The Germans' premium interior experience isn't going to be enough to cancel out the deficit I predict.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

And on top of this the Model Y is coming

 

[EnI]

Not that this is a bad BEV but... for quite some future Tesla will still benefit vs the rivals from the its own supercharging network. It matters to some.

The state of (public) charging network (with excl. of Tesla Superchargers) is still chaotic, insufficient, unreliable and not user-friendly + UX usually sux.

Affordability? Perhaps. Entry models are needed to boost sales. Just like with any vehicle.

Also: BEV (sub)brand / model recognition. It does not come over night! Tesla (S,3,X,Y) has it, BMW (i3) has it, Nissan (Leaf) has it, Chevy (Volt / Bolt) has it, Renault (Zoe) has it. Others trail behind ... a lot!

Also ... BEVs are still very much a NICHE, and PREMIUM. Still not penetrating the "economy market".

 

[Sunny]

Also ... BEVs are still very much a NICHE, and PREMIUM. Still not penetrating the "economy market".

So why is a "niche" vehicle single handedly outselling all BMW passenger cars combined in the US - it's 2nd biggest market? Looks like an awesome "niche" to be in.

 

[EnI]

So why is a "niche" vehicle single handedly outselling all BMW passenger cars combined in the US - it's 2nd biggest market? Looks like an awesome "niche" to be in.

Because it competes in the premium segment, which is niche by definition. And as said: Tesla definitely has an extraordinary product there (all the quality issues aside) + a superb supercharging network.

Tesla got the market segments right with their products. Others did not. Instead of offering hi-end models first, most opted for (sub)compact "city cars" BEVs. While Tesla is trickling down, other ar "trickling up".

Also, Tesla was able to establish & market its brand as a pinnacle of BEV. Others are trailing behind.

But the BEV market is still too immature, still too volatile (eg. demand is very much dependent on grants, subsidies, tax credits etc) to declare winners & losers. The race has only just begun. We are only few feet from the start, and miles from the finish.

And as per any product: technical excellence is important but not the only key point. There are also the factors like quality, reliability, brand cache, after sales services, value-for-money, absolute price, financing offerings etc etc. As per current automotive market: all those point come to account, and customers have different preferences 6 priorities. So, carmakers can differentiate the offer ... so different customer pools are catered to.

Yes, currently for Tesla is an awesome niche to be in. Until others start to join the club SERIOUSLY. We will se then what happens. IMHO Tesla brand will establish itself as one of the best (if not the best) BEV brands ... A newcomer beating the established players. Not a new thing though. Think Lexus. Think KIA. Etc. It happens.

What still worries me is the Tesla Inc. financial & business performance. Still many hurdles on the road. Expansion always brings new challenges. The bigger the company gets the harder gets to run. Long-term product planning is not an easy task. Cost cutting is always a double edged sward. Etc.

But ... the slower the rivals will be, the more chances Tesla Inc. has to survive & thrive.

Also, we are still not sure about the long-term future of BEVs. Be sure H-FCEVs will be there. At least in commercial vehicles, also trickling down to light trucks & passenger cars (incl SUVs, at least larger ones. New plug-in battery tech is a bitch ... very promising in labs but failing when it comes to viable mass production. We have now stuck with Li-ion / Li-Poly ... still no mass-production breakthrough with solid-state cells. Not to mention others like carbon or even graphene based cells. Working in lab controlled environment & conditions, not viable for mass production & real-life usage.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

But the BEV market is still too immature, still too volatile (eg. demand is very much dependent on grants, subsidies, tax credits etc) to declare winners & losers. The race has only just begun. We are only few feet from the start, and miles from the finish.

I would give this more to the alwul choice of wrong products than to immaturity of the market. Currently, except Teslas, there is no other EV appealing to the customers. All of them are shit. Even Teslas are shit but in another way (bad quality, lack of experience in car production etc). If there was a BMW 3er with the technical specification and price of the Tesla Model 3 now and not in 5 years it would dominate its segment completely.

 

[KiwiRob]

I would give this more to the alwul choice of wrong products than to immaturity of the market. Currently, except Teslas, there is no other EV appealing to the customers. All of them are shit. Even Teslas are shit but in another way (bad quality, lack of experience in car production etc). If there was a BMW 3er with the technical specificatio...

The E-tron in my part of Norway has outsold Tesla for the past 4 months. The E-tron 50 at a smidge under 500,000 NOK is flying out the showrooms. A Model 3 standard range 2WD is 446,000, so for a smidge more per month they get an Audi.

 

[montana]

The E-tron in my part of Norway has outsold Tesla for the past 4 months. The E-tron 50 at a smidge under 500,000 NOK is flying out the showrooms. A Model 3 standard range 2WD is 446,000, so for a smidge more per month they get an Audi.

That's not even remotely true.

E-tron 50 (launch edition): >300 km - 499K NOK.

Model 3 Standard Range: >400 km - 384K NOK.
Model 3 Long Range AWD: 560 km - 459K NOK.
Model 3 Performance AWD: 530 KM - 499K NOK.

The Model 3 beats the E-tron at pricing, efficiency, range and charging network. The only thing it has on the Tesla is the interior quality (and size, depending on your needs).

 

[EnI]

I would give this more to the alwul choice of wrong products than to immaturity of the market. Currently, except Teslas, there is no other EV appealing to the customers. All of them are shit. Even Teslas are shit but in another way (bad quality, lack of experience in car production etc). If there was a BMW 3er with the technical specificatio...

It's not about appeal ... Most carmakers went for (sub)compact BEVs, suitable for urban, city areas. Where "zero emission zones" were expected to emerge first. Also smaller cars are more suitable for car urban sharing services. And for daily commuting around the city 100 mile range would suffice.

BUT ... (sub)compact BEVS were absolutely too expensive to serve as a 2nd / 3rd car in a household. And for a price like that people expected, larger, more versatile car, will all-round usable range. They just didn't want to pay premium for a BEV, while carmakers weren't ready for a mass production of BEVs - actually nobody wanted to be the first to do it (making huge losses with it), and bear most of the initial costs of being a trailblazer.

Mind most customer polls showed a demand for short(er) range. And they were given just that. BUT ... not for an acceptable price.

So, most legacy carmakers pass that role to Tesla ... hoping financially weak Tesla would do the role, but came out weaker in the end. Many still hope that will happen in the end.

 

[KiwiRob]

That's not even remotely true.

E-tron 50 (launch edition): >300 km - 499K NOK.

Model 3 Standard Range: >400 km - 384K NOK.
Model 3 Long Range AWD: 560 km - 459K NOK.
Model 3 Performance AWD: 530 KM - 499K NOK.

The Model 3 beats the E-tron at pricing, efficiency, range and charging network. The only thing it has on the Tesla is the inte...

if I’m wrong then the Tesla webpage is also wrong.

Theres lots of ready to deliver Models 3’s in norway prices from 446NOK

New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla

 

[montana]

if I’m wrong then the Tesla webpage is also wrong.

Theres lots of ready to deliver Models 3’s in norway prices from 446NOK

New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla

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No. Those cars are already built, meaning many of them have extras like FSD, expensive paint jobs, bigger rims and so on. So no, you're wrong again. In that case you can also buy the E-tron 50 @ 599K NOK. There's no logic. Check Tesla's website and then Audi's.

 

[KiwiRob]

No. Those cars are already built, meaning many of them have extras like FSD, expensive paint jobs, bigger rims and so on. So no, you're wrong again. In that case you can also buy the E-tron 50 @ 599K NOK. There's no logic. Check Tesla's website and then Audi's.

I’ve looked at both. The E-Tron 50 is well specified at 499k nok for a city car, the Model 3 is bare bones at base spec, it needs money thrown at it, how many people are going to buy a 3 without any options?? None I think will be the answer. So a lot of people will be tempted into the premium Audi rather than the budget 3. And the Audi massively undercuts the base spec X.

 

[montana]

I’ve looked at both. The E-Tron 50 is well specified at 499k nok for a city car, the Model 3 is bare bones at base spec, it needs money thrown at it, how many people are going to buy a 3 without any options?? None I think will be the answer. So a lot of people will be tempted into the premium Audi rather than the budget 3. And the Audi massively unde...

But that's not what you said. You said the Tesla RWD SR plus is 446K; it's not. It's cheaper. Yes, the Audi is of course more premium, no one said otherwise. And yes, A LOT of people buy the standard spec bare-bone Model 3. You don't buy a Tesla for it's Porsche-like driving dynamics and premium interior.

Btw, if you look at the standard spec Model X and the standard spec E-Tron 55 maybe you'll be surprised.

 

[Sunny]

The E-tron in my part of Norway has outsoldTesla for the past 4 months

What part of Norway is this? Your house and 2 houses over? Meanwhile, in all of Norway, till end of Q3, model 3 outsold etron by ~x4

 

[KiwiRob]

I didn't say all Norway I said in my part of Norway, which is Møre og Romsdal, also note the E-tron in your graph is the third best selling BEV in the country after the Model 3, most of those sales will be of the more expensive 55 not the vastly cheaper recently released 50. The E-trons performance given its price is quite remarkable.

When you look at the statistics for October Tesla sold 121 Model 3's and Audi sold 873 E-trons. The E-tron was the best selling vehicle in October. Paints a different picture when you look at the latest data.