A4/S4/RS4 Official Audi A4 (B8) Thread (Spy pics & info)

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I'd go as far to say that Audi is still very much the understated of the German lot. Their designs are the least ostentatious; Every line makes sense in placement, panel gaps are kept to a minimum, and the overall picture is that of elegance, something that can't be said for most if not all of the competition.

 

[Audi69]

Re: All new Audi A4 coming by the end of 2007.

I don't know if these news are real. But, an italian user, who has a business relation with Audi, said very interesting things about the future engines for Audi's range:

-1.6TFSI 130bhp (on the new A4 for spring 2008)

-1.8TFSI 180bhp (maybe this engine could replace the 2.0TFSI 170bhp unit)

-2.4 V6 FSI 185 bhp. Low CO2 emissions, made up from the 2.8FSI (2009), with 2 valvelift on both sides of aspiration/exhaust system.

-2.0TFSI 300cv. (S version of TT- 2008?)

-2.5 TFSI 350cv 5 cylinders, derived from a volumetric+turbo evolution of the U.S. engine for Rabbit and Jetta. The turbo has the variable geometry system like last 911 Turbo. But is possible that this engine will be only for the RS version of TT. (second half 2008)

-3.2 V6 TFSI 310-->330 bhp. With twin-turbo system and the same technologies of 2.4 FSI

-4.2 V8 TFSI 450cv. with 2 soft turbos to increase the torque and maintein the high rotation of 8250 RPM. (2008-2009.The 4.2FSI remain the only V8 with direct injection system)

-1.6 TDI Common-rail (C-R) with Blue-tec system capable of 115bhp (2009 on A3 and A4?)

-2.0 TDI C-R 170 bhp blue-tec (2008)

-2.0 TDI C-R 204 bhp blue-tec (2007)

-The blue-tec version of 3.0tdi capable of 260 bhp (end of 2008 on A6 restyling: will it arrive also for new A4?)

- Starting from the 3.0TDI a new 3.0TDI with 2 turbos (one small and one big like 335d) for both sides on the V6 (a tot of 4 turbos). 350bhp for A6 and A8

So, do you have some informations about these engines? Do you confirm someone?

I have 2 question for you (So, Yannis be careful!!! ):
- Are magnetic-rides coming on the new A4?
- Do you think that the Blue-tec 3.0V6 TDI will arrive on the new A4 starting from the end of 2008 (like on the A6)???

Sorry for the mistakes....

3.0TDI with 4 turbos as you described. Can't wait for that engine. Hopefully the engine will be higher reving than normal as this is my only downside to a diesel engine. LOve their torque heavy richness though. This engine will be great

 

[Tumbo]

Re: All new Audi A4 coming by the end of 2007.

 

[PanterroR]

Re: All new Audi A4 coming by the end of 2007.

3.0TDI with 4 turbos as you described. Can't wait for that engine. Hopefully the engine will be higher reving than normal as this is my only downside to a diesel engine. LOve their torque heavy richness though. This engine will be great

Quad turbo on a 3.0TDI engine? Hardly...

 

[Audi69]

Re: All new Audi A4 coming by the end of 2007.

Quad turbo on a 3.0TDI engine? Hardly...

Explain?

Are you saying a 3.0TDI with four turbos would not be a great engine?

 

[PanterroR]

Re: All new Audi A4 coming by the end of 2007.

Explain?

Are you saying a 3.0TDI with four turbos would not be a great engine?

Where did i say it won't be great engine?

Let me just 1st see the concept of that engine, then production of it and then i'll comment. Where's the article about that engine? Never heard even rumors, let alone confirmation that it's going to be made!

Was i clear enough now?

 

[vabboud]

Re: All new Audi A4 coming by the end of 2007.

lumpiong 4 turbos is not as easy as you might think, besides teh space requirements on a small V6, the engineering required to make 4 work in unison, and not withstanding the plumbing trequired to recirculate and evacuate exhaust gases through 4 turbos and still have the car less noseheavy
unless audi is planning to make them out of some magnesium ro titanium alloy, and be ready to have this engine cost more than a W12, then i don't see how it can happen this gen
maybe the R&D has been done and it is possible, i do not know, but as an engineer, it is easier to do it with twin sequential turbos. even if each siw ired to two banks, and not just a straight line
anyway time will tell

 

[PanterroR]

I'm not an engineer, but still it sounded very complicating and very expensive, hence my reply above. And you just confirmed it.

Thanks, vab!

 

[Yperion]

Quad turbo is useless in a V6 engine IMO. One turbo per 3 cylinders (total 2 turbos) is enough.

 

[Mr Robert]

Re: All new Audi A4 coming by the end of 2007.

If this is something close to what we could expect then Audi has taken a great leap in gaining on Mercedes and BMW when it comes to design.

 

[PanterroR]

Re: All new Audi A4 coming by the end of 2007.

If this is something close to what we could expect then Audi has taken a great leap in gaining on Mercedes and BMW when it comes to design.

It was about time you know... Sooner or later people get bored with the same design, regardless of how good it looks...

 

[RICHBOY]

I'm not impressed. The rear proportions look much to cramped, not to mention the lack of truck space.

 

[vabboud]

well andreas, i am half an engineer, in 2 years i would be a full one
mind that what i said is not perfectly true
it all is about the R&D costs, if audi has done their homework right and found ways to implement this within accpetable limits, it is quite possible, i am stressing on the unlikeliness given the closest we have come to a similar solution is either quad turbo on a production V12 or W16 or a tri turbo mercedes concept, which is closer to reality

as for teh design issue
we are not yet seeing any advances in audi design language, it's still basically the same main form, with alterations, the major design leap this time seems to be the shoulder line which has changed from straight line to soft curve
i don't think audi can withstand more than this geenration without a radical rethinking of the design langauge
the grill can stay as a brand identity, but the headlights and the fascia have to be expanded upon iof not radically changed, to give more individuality threoughout the range

 

[PanterroR]

as for teh design issue
we are not yet seeing any advances in audi design language, it's still basically the same main form, with alterations, the major design leap this time seems to be the shoulder line which has changed from straight line to soft curve
i don't think audi can withstand more than this geenration without a radical rethinking of the design langauge
the grill can stay as a brand identity, but the headlights and the fascia have to be expanded upon iof not radically changed, to give more individuality threoughout the range

Well said, vab.

 

[Audi69]

Re: All new Audi A4 coming by the end of 2007.

Where did i say it won't be great engine?

Let me just 1st see the concept of that engine, then production of it and then i'll comment. Where's the article about that engine? Never heard even rumors, let alone confirmation that it's going to be made!

Was i clear enough now?

Time will tell. I hear humble pie taste good

 

[SCOTT27]

Just to let you know they are now shooting the new A4 in Cape Town South Africa. - It looks like those photoshops with the light cut-outs similar to the current car the shoulder line is more rigid rather than the wavy lines of the A5.

 

[EnI]

Just to let you know they are now shooting the new A4 in Cape Town South Africa. - It looks like those photoshops with the light cut-outs similar to the current car the shoulder line is more rigid rather than the wavy lines of the A5.

So, Huckfeldt is right ... again.

 

[Shaveli]

Just to let you know they are now shooting the new A4 in Cape Town South Africa. - It looks like those photoshops with the light cut-outs similar to the current car the shoulder line is more rigid rather than the wavy lines of the A5.

wait wait, would you mind posting or clarifying which concept pic you are talking about?

 

[gcz]

Just to let you know they are now shooting the new A4 in Cape Town South Africa. - It looks like those photoshops with the light cut-outs similar to the current car the shoulder line is more rigid rather than the wavy lines of the A5.

You mean straight line shoulder? I hope so. For a car this size, wavy lines make it look shorter and less aggressive!

 

[Osnabrueck]

I know what he's talking about.

In short - this won't be an A5 sedan. This will be more like the Huck impressions we've seen.