Artura [Official] 2021 McLaren Artura


The McLaren Artura is a hybrid electric sports car designed and manufactured by McLaren Automotive since 2022. It is the third hybrid by the company since the P1 and Speedtail, and the first with a V6 engine. The name Artura is a combination of the words art and future. It inaugurates a new carbon fibre chassis called MCLA (McLaren Carbon Lightweight Architecture).
My only issue is the design, it doesn't look "clean sheet". It looks too much like a 720S and 570S from certain angles. If anything 720S was the clean sheet design they had. This isn't it.
Can totally see why you say this and I agree with you. It's definitely not clean sheet and yes, there's a strong sense of 570S and 720S styling elements being merged.
That being said, I can't say it's a bad thing when looking at the overall outcome - I think it's a very nice looking car with a strong family identity.
 
Wow wow wow. What a knock out by Mclaren. There is lots to unpack here.

This is a light 2nd hybrid sports car. For perspective, the NSX is roughly 2,000kg while the Artura is under 1,500kg!

IMO the 720s has one of the most unique and striking supercar designs since the original R8. The front of the Artura is a well executed refinement of the 720s and the blended in tail light design of the Mclaren GT works well. I like the interior too!

Clearly the car has everything going for it. Reliability and customer service will make or break the car. Because it's a hybrid, consumers have even more to fear.

I truly wish Mclaren the best as this is an incredibly strong product.
 
I agree that the design is very "McLaren", taking some bits from almost every model (influences for 720/765, overall shape and buttresses from the 570S, lateral view reminds me a lot the GT). Not bad looking, but not a breakthrough as the 720S was, which is a pity for the change it makes (new engine, hybrid...).
 
Honda NSX II is AWD with 3 electric motors.
Good point!

McLaren has finally a more distinctive range. Impressive what they have achieved performance and weight wise. Those claimed figures are probably way, way underrated.

My only issue is the design, it doesn't look "clean sheet". It looks too much like a 720S and 570S from certain angles. If anything 720S was the clean sheet design they had. This isn't it.
They are still nowhere close being distinctive enough, like for example Aventador/Huracan or 812SF/F8 Tributo. You can tell those easily apart by just glimpsing at them. With 720S/Artura/GT I think people will have an issue.
Unlike Ferrari, all of Mclarens cars are mid engine. This makes design differentiation challenging.
 
The 0-200 km/h claimed time is just a half a second slower than the 720s and both get from 0-300 km/h in a claimed 21.5 seconds. Since they're usually conservative with their claims, I'm sure it will get to those benchmarks in roughly 7.5 and 19 seconds at best.

Really digging the profile and the fact that they finally have Android Auto and a host of active safety features. I really like it.
 
Wow wow wow. What a knock out by Mclaren. There is lots to unpack here.

This is a light 2nd hybrid sports car. For perspective, the NSX is roughly 2,000kg while the Artura is under 1,500kg!

IMO the 720s has one of the most unique and striking supercar designs since the original R8. The front of the Artura is a well executed refinement of the 720s and the blended in tail light design of the Mclaren GT works well. I like the interior too!

Clearly the car has everything going for it. Reliability and customer service will make or break the car. Because it's a hybrid, consumers have even more to fear.

I truly wish Mclaren the best as this is an incredibly strong product.
It has all the ingredients, that a sport car needs. Everything is on a top level and there are no compromises like with Porsche - rear engine, mainly steel body, (some models still with McPherson front suspension). It's the first time they have an electronically controlled clutch pack LCD, which also increases the weight (or at least that was the claim, when they were refusing to use it on all other cars of theirs).
 
Nice they put on the press release the numbers for that warranty.

Seems like they are aware of the huge number of issues they have...
 
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So what's the verdict on over-the-internet engine sound?
 
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GP trade plates make it into the official Artura video! :smiliedan Someone get that (wo)man a Zamalek!
Jokes aside, watch the video - it's rather good.
 
Interesting comparison is the MC20: numbers wise it is the best 3L V6 in the world right now.
I’ll believe the 21,5 when I see it.

Also interesting is the weight. DIN weight on the Artura is 1498 kg vs approx. 1520 kg on the MC20. Both are using a CF chassis and both have a V6.

What McLaren has just proved to the world is that you can engineer a PHEV supercar which is lighter than it's pure ICE rivals.

Mind. Blown.
 
I am reasonably impressed! Seems like they have worked to improve everything, from ride, NVH and daily drivability, to better connectivity, emissions and handling, while keeping the weight low and the performance high. So, as is tradition with Mclaren, technically the car is looking great, but, also as is tradition, the other areas - like distinctive enough looks, excitement, build quality and reliability - are with a question mark. Let me touch on 4 major points...

Weight - 1500kg kerb claimed. That could be accurate, but based on how other Mclaren weight claims turned out, I am expecting more like 1520-30kg when tested. I am tempted to say that's still fairly good, but there is a lot of context that needs to be included. Without the electric system (which Mclaren claims is 130kg), the car would weigh 1370-1400kg. Which is about the same as the 600LT (~1380kg) and 80-50kg less than the 570S. At the same time, it's only 60-30kg less than the bigger and more powerful 720S. So there has been some improvement in the architecture and the weight of the components, but nothing earth shattering. This comparison also shouldn't distract you from the fact that this car will weigh 70-100kg more than the 720S, while being less powerful and much slower. There is just no escaping the fact that hybrid assistance is NOT good for performance. Congratulating a 1500kg+ car on being light is also kinda amusing. Regardless, Mclaren clearly continue being the segment leader when it comes to light-weighting as this car is still lighter than the F8 or Huracan Evo, not to mention any other hybrid supercar.

Engine - To stay on the topic of weight for a little longer, this new engine almost certainly doesn't weigh "160kg". Yes, maybe if it's completely bare with little to no ancillaries or with no turbos, exhaust manifold and intercoolers. That has sadly been the standard for engine weight reporting within the industry for some time. Don't include the turbos, the exhaust and the intercoolers together with all the required piping for your turbo engine and report the weight as if it was basically naturally aspirated setup. In reality I would think the real weight would be around 190-200kg. Which, hey, is still less than Maserati's 220kg 3L V6! The engine being 120 degree is cool, although, funnily enough increasing the angle of the V also increases weight. Which is why everyone doesn't use boxer engines. While they have a very low center of gravity, it's the heaviest possible design and also they present challenges from the packaging and intake/exhaust routing perspective. 120 degree angle engine should still leave enough space to package intake/exhaust without those threatening to stick from the bottom of the car, although presenting it as being "narrower" than the 90 degree V8 just because that engine has the turbos on the outside is somewhat disingenuous I would say.

Looks - This is a good looking car! One of the better looking Mclarens for sure. That, however, doesn't seem to be the problem - many people seem to agree that the car looks good. The problem is the car looking way too similar to other Mclarens. While some argue that this doesn't matter - for example because the 911 has been the same for ages - I would disagree. For one, the 911 is a sports car. The Artura is a supercar. Supercars need to have a distinctive look. If you can mistake one supercar for another, that's styling job failure in my book. And for two, you could argue that the 911 is a special case and the look is by a very large degree dictated by the position of the engine, as well as by market pressure. Anyone remembering the shitstorm that happened around the 996 - even though the car fit the formula perfectly, except for one little detail, that being the headlights? That said, with there being so many supercars produced these days, having a look that immediately places a car as being a member of a particular brand is probably more important now than ever. Still, for a completely new car, I think that more could have been done to distinguish it from older models.

Desirability/Market Viability - This one is a pretty subjective, but I am not sure Mclaren hits the home run here. The car appears to be very competent on many fronts and more suited than ever to be a daily driver. I could see that being appealing to some people for sure. There is also the novelty of owning a completely new Mclaren after years of iterative designs and the novelty of owning possibly your first hybrid supercar, or a hybrid car of any sorts even. Among the elites, there also seems to be a lot of appetite for virtue signalling and buying a car with "environmental credentials" could be a reason for purchase as well. That's on one side. On the other, this doesn't seem to be a very exciting car at all. It's heavy, has only a V6, doesn't really sound great and while it looks good, it could be mistaken for older models. It might be a good proposition as far as new models are concerned, but I wouldn't be surprised if it started to face opposition from older cars. Personally, to give you an example, for my second car (not to mention my third) I would much rather buy a manual Ferrari 360 than this, and that would also be true for a large number of other manual, or at least NA supercars from the past. Now, that might just be me speaking as an enthusiast and not be indicative of the market in general, but there is also a good chance that someone who wants a rather unexciting, but capable and daily drivable supercar, will buy a luxury SUV instead. I know, that's funny, but it appears to be somewhat true. So how successful do I think the car is gonna be? No sure. I could see it go in any direction. From complete failure, to middling, to big success. The prevailing feeling is: middling.

Oh, one other thing - and this should go without saying - Mclaren will really need to step up their QA game on this one. If they release yet another model with quality/reliability issues, then they are finished. Already I would be quite apprehensive about buying the Artura because of their past issues, but this being a completely new car, being built under a new leadership, I would be willing to forget the sins of the past and give them a chance. But just one. The car seems to have a lot of new technologies (the "ethernet canbus" comes to mind) that have the potential to be rather unreliable. It's also being made in a new factory. So I really hope they got on top of all the possible issues.
 
It's the first time they have an electronically controlled clutch pack LCD, which also increases the weight (or at least that was the claim, when they were refusing to use it on all other cars of theirs).

The hydraulic steering remains which is fantastic!

I wonder if the car will need to consistently be on a trickle charger like other mclarens. Unfortunately some plugin hybrids cannot be started using the battery for the electric motors instead of the main battery.

I am reasonably impressed! Seems like they have worked to improve everything, from ride, NVH and daily drivability, to better connectivity, emissions and handling, while keeping the weight low and the performance high. So, as is tradition with Mclaren, technically the car is looking great, but, also as is tradition, the other areas - like distinctive enough looks, excitement, build quality and reliability - are with a question mark. Let me touch on 4 major points...

Weight - 1500kg kerb claimed. That could be accurate, but based on how other Mclaren weight claims turned out, I am expecting more like 1520-30kg when tested. I am tempted to say that's still fairly good, but there is a lot of context that needs to be included. Without the electric system (which Mclaren claims is 130kg), the car would weigh 1370-1400kg. Which is about the same as the 600LT (~1380kg) and 80-50kg less than the 570S. At the same time, it's only 60-30kg less than the bigger and more powerful 720S. So there has been some improvement in the architecture and the weight of the components, but nothing earth shattering. This comparison also shouldn't distract you from the fact that this car will weigh 70-100kg more than the 720S, while being less powerful and much slower. There is just no escaping the fact that hybrid assistance is NOT good for performance. Congratulating a 1500kg+ car on being light is also kinda amusing. Regardless, Mclaren clearly continue being the segment leader when it comes to light-weighting as this car is still lighter than the F8 or Huracan Evo, not to mention any other hybrid supercar.

Engine - To stay on the topic of weight for a little longer, this new engine almost certainly doesn't weigh "160kg". Yes, maybe if it's completely bare with little to no ancillaries or with no turbos, exhaust manifold and intercoolers. That has sadly been the standard for engine weight reporting within the industry for some time. Don't include the turbos, the exhaust and the intercoolers together with all the required piping for your turbo engine and report the weight as if it was basically naturally aspirated setup. In reality I would think the real weight would be around 190-200kg. Which, hey, is still less than Maserati's 220kg 3L V6! The engine being 120 degree is cool, although, funnily enough increasing the angle of the V also increases weight. Which is why everyone doesn't use boxer engines. While they have a very low center of gravity, it's the heaviest possible design and also they present challenges from the packaging and intake/exhaust routing perspective. 120 degree angle engine should still leave enough space to package intake/exhaust without those threatening to stick from the bottom of the car, although presenting it as being "narrower" than the 90 degree V8 just because that engine has the turbos on the outside is somewhat disingenuous I would say.

Looks - This is a good looking car! One of the better looking Mclarens for sure. That, however, doesn't seem to be the problem - many people seem to agree that the car looks good. The problem is the car looking way too similar to other Mclarens. While some argue that this doesn't matter - for example because the 911 has been the same for ages - I would disagree. For one, the 911 is a sports car. The Artura is a supercar. Supercars need to have a distinctive look. If you can mistake one supercar for another, that's styling job failure in my book. And for two, you could argue that the 911 is a special case and the look is by a very large degree dictated by the position of the engine, as well as by market pressure. Anyone remembering the shitstorm that happened around the 996 - even though the car fit the formula perfectly, except for one little detail, that being the headlights? That said, with there being so many supercars produced these days, having a look that immediately places a car as being a member of a particular brand is probably more important now than ever. Still, for a completely new car, I think that more could have been done to distinguish it from older models.

Desirability/Market Viability - This one is a pretty subjective, but I am not sure Mclaren hits the home run here. The car appears to be very competent on many fronts and more suited than ever to be a daily driver. I could see that being appealing to some people for sure. There is also the novelty of owning a completely new Mclaren after years of iterative designs and the novelty of owning possibly your first hybrid supercar, or a hybrid car of any sorts even. Among the elites, there also seems to be a lot of appetite for virtue signalling and buying a car with "environmental credentials" could be a reason for purchase as well. That's on one side. On the other, this doesn't seem to be a very exciting car at all. It's heavy, has only a V6, doesn't really sound great and while it looks good, it could be mistaken for older models. It might be a good proposition as far as new models are concerned, but I wouldn't be surprised if it started to face opposition from older cars. Personally, to give you an example, for my second car (not to mention my third) I would much rather buy a manual Ferrari 360 than this, and that would also be true for a large number of other manual, or at least NA supercars from the past. Now, that might just be me speaking as an enthusiast and not be indicative of the market in general, but there is also a good chance that someone who wants a rather unexciting, but capable and daily drivable supercar, will buy a luxury SUV instead. I know, that's funny, but it appears to be somewhat true. So how successful do I think the car is gonna be? No sure. I could see it go in any direction. From complete failure, to middling, to big success. The prevailing feeling is: middling.

Oh, one other thing - and this should go without saying - Mclaren will really need to step up their QA game on this one. If they release yet another model with quality/reliability issues, then they are finished. Already I would be quite apprehensive about buying the Artura because of their past issues, but this being a completely new car, being built under a new leadership, I would be willing to forget the sins of the past and give them a chance. But just one. The car seems to have a lot of new technologies (the "ethernet canbus" comes to mind) that have the potential to be rather unreliable. It's also being made in a new factory. So I really hope they got on top of all the possible issues.
I know of hot V8 engines but can't think of other V6 engines with the turbos between the banks.

Manufacturer weight claims for components should indeed be taken with a pinch of salt. Many years ago JLR were bragging about the low weight of the aluminium frame of one of their cars. The bragging was a bit moot given that the other components around the frame ultimately resulted in a very heavy car.
 
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Are those purely manufacturer claimed numbers? If not, I'll have to take issue with some of those. :p

The 720S has been measured in the 7.4-7.6s range several times for the 0-200km/h test and the best result for the 0-300km/h was 18.6s by QR.

The P1 was weighed at 1547kg by Motortrend and I am not aware of any other posted weight measurements. That would make the EU weight 1622kg. I am also not aware of any P1 tests in km/h. However, looking at the Autocar mph test, you get roughly 2.9s 0-100km/h, 7.3s 0-200 and about 20s 0-300. The best 1/4 time would be 9.9-10s based on the 9.8s from Mototrend and including roll-out.
 
Are those purely manufacturer claimed numbers? If not, I'll have to take issue with some of those. :p

The 720S has been measured in the 7.4-7.6s range several times for the 0-200km/h test and the best result for the 0-300km/h was 18.6s by QR.

The P1 was weighed at 1547kg by Motortrend and I am not aware of any other posted weight measurements. That would make the EU weight 1622kg. I am also not aware of any P1 tests in km/h. However, looking at the Autocar mph test, you get roughly 2.9s 0-100km/h, 7.3s 0-200 and about 20s 0-300. The best 1/4 time would be 9.9-10s based on the 9.8s from Mototrend and including roll-out.
These are manufacteurs claims, yes. In independent magazine test the 720S and P1 have very similar acceleration (720S better than claimed and P1 worse than claimed).
I think there is no other magazine that have weighted P1, but I have seen private owner weighted it at 1539 kg full tank and another 1575 kg half tank with driver.
 

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