M3/M4 [Official] 2021 BMW M3 and M4 [G80 & G82]

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[Frankie G]

BMW M3 review: long-serving sports saloon gets first-class handling smarts - and a boot extension | Autocar

Does the introduction of four-wheel-drive and an estate bodystyle dilute the lineage? And which really makes the M3 more usable?

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[WBarnes]

Is the dual clutch dead for BMW?

 

[Centurion]

Is the dual clutch dead for BMW?

Yes.

 

[J.E]

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[Big Sam]

Yes.

Not for the entry level BMWs it isn't. The new 2er Active Tourer comes with dual-clutch.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Not for the entry level BMWs it isn't. The new 2er Active Tourer comes with dual-clutch.

I thing it comes only with the 8 speed auto from Aisin. The previous gen came for sure with the double-clutch transmission from Getrag for FWD cars, that is also used by Clio and Megane. It's a rather cheap transmission.

 

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So in rolling race the AWD will be a disadvatage

 

[J.E]

So in rolling race the AWD will be a disadvatage

Not entirely. The xDrive was ahead for most of the time. The RWD M3 only caught-up with the xDrive M3 at really high speed.

 

[Levi68]

I think AWD is a no-brainer, costs a barely more for the price range, weighs very little more, manual just doesn't make any sense anymore for this car and it also lack a manual handbrake, I6 just doesn't sound specially good. I'd say from a concept perspective (not badge, design other features), it is either M3 with FI I6 AWD or IS 500 with NA V8 RWD. Both cars are not really the best tool for track anyway, and only a minority uses them. Better alternatives for specific choices are M2 FI RWD MT or WRX (or even GR Yaris) FI AWD MT, without of course forgetting Porsche/Toyota for the NA RWD MT choice.

I consider BMW M the new Audi RS, Giulia QV RWD MT is a more desirable car than M3 RWD MT now, when the M3 RWD MT is not the best version of itself anymore.

 

[Big Sam]

I thing it comes only with the 8 speed auto from Aisin. The previous gen came for sure with the double-clutch transmission from Getrag for FWD cars, that is also used by Clio and Megane. It's a rather cheap transmission.

The new one is coming with an "updated" 7-speed dual-clutch transmission "for all model variants" as standard. Whether by "all model variants" they're referring only to the models available at initial launch, and the higher end models that will come along later will feature the 8-speed Steptronic, I don't know. But the dual-clutch is certainly still being used by BMW.

It's in the press release.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/glob...6212EN/the-all-new-bmw-2-series-active-tourer

 

[WBarnes]

Wonder what times they were making.

 

[Centurion]

I think AWD is a no-brainer, costs a barely more for the price range, weighs very little more, manual just doesn't make any sense anymore for this car and it also lack a manual handbrake, I6 just doesn't sound specially good.

In the past xDrive variants had taller ride height and had inferior steering feel. The xDrive G80/G82 don't have these drawback.

If you live in countries where distinct seasons, there are no reasons for speccing xDrive.

 

[Levi68]

In the past xDrive variants had taller ride height and had inferior steering feel. The xDrive G80/G82 don't have these drawback.

If you live in countries where distinct seasons, there are no reasons for speccing xDrive.

Taller ride height is not a drawback when the car is used the way it is meant to, but I suppose those went with the X range for ride height.

 

[Big Sam]

So, I've just placed an order with BMW Park Lane, London, for a G80 M3 Competition. I was supposed to be waiting for the M3 Touring which is due in about one year, but it will have the LCI update and therefore the new interior, and I'm seriously not a fan of the direction the interiors are going, with the emphasis on touch screens, and the ugly screen across the dashboard, so I wanted to get in on the M3 action pre-LCI. I may still get the Touring in the long term, but I didn't want to be in a position where I have no choice but to get the LCI. Delivery is expected next May, but that could change quite a bit.

My wife knows what I've done and is suprisingly acquiescent, which makes me very uneasy. Very uneasy indeed.