XF [Official] 2013 Jaguar XF, XF Sportbrake and XJ revealed


The Jaguar XF (X250) is an executive luxury sports saloon car that was manufactured and marketed by the British automobile manufacturer Jaguar Cars. Launched in Autumn 2007 as a replacement for the S-Type, the XF was designated internally as the X250. The X250 was succeeded by the X260 in 2015.
When BMW looked at taking Land Rover back from Ford back at the height of Fords streamlining

- care to firm that up with a source?

BMW want Land Rover back, after a near-death experience with The English Patient(1994-2000)?!!!!

Come on fella, you expect anyone to swallow that? The whole Rover Group debacle that claimed BMW's best car man - Wolfgang Reitzle - and cost it several billion euros, £500m alone given to The Phoenix Four crooks?!

A BMW with the incredibly successful X5 and number of four-wheel drive passenger models would want the maker of the world's most unreliable cars, having inside knowledge of its disastrous practices for over six years? Ford paid BMW mega bucks to finish off the L322, post the sale of L/Rover to Ford. If L/Rover was such a prize why did Ford sell it in 2008, just 8 years after buying it, and why did it apparently have only one serious buyer, all pre Credit Crunch, and one only prepared to pay £2.5 bn for Jaguar as well?

Land Rover, and Jaguar, are nothing but media constructs. Both still rely on legacy platforms and powertrains from their Ford and BMW ownership and great amounts of investment days. To buy Land Rover or Jaguar now is to buy one or two generations old platforms, with all key components and technologies bought in, like the Ford/PSA engines and ZF boxes, or the 'black box' purchase of 4WD capability from Magna Steyr. Beyond the media PR image of both brands there is NOTHING of substantive marketable value.

I don't know what capacity you work in for BMW AG but I'm amazed that someone who is inside that company cannot see why BMW was well rid of such a disastrous purchase and experience, that nearly took the whole company. Frankly, if it was up to me, you wouldn't be let near any key decisions affecting BMW strategically.
 
Right, after the once again predictable non-answering of the questions regarding Jaguar, the XF's replacement launch date etc., it must be time for an English auto publication to revive rumours of exciting new product developments, always just 2 to 3 years away, and here is the Jaguar vapourware PR release of the day:

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Jaguar crossover in advanced design stage - report
 
The Range Rover was BMW engineered to begin with but Ford took out the BMW areas the car was acclaimed for .

Under development at BMW , the Range Rover was engineered to accept the BMW V12 engine as well as an extended wheelbase model was developed which is now on the cards for the current Range Rover.

At the time BMW had the quintessential " English" portfolio on paper at least.
This was BM - Before MINI and BRR - Before Rolls-Royce of course. So there was that romantic nostalgia of how everything could play out.
And you could say that in the beginning everything worked in perfect symphony - MINI was a success as was The Phantom and the Range Rover eclipsed what went before.

They did look at the company again when it went up for sale by Ford but as i mentioned you could not have one without the other.
 
@klier

K brought up the F-type which is OT and his assertion relative to lackluster sales was challenged. His constant JLR bashing has also been challeged by just about everyone including a mod, yet it persists. So why is mentir's post objectionable in your view?


No, I meant the opposite. Mentir did it as it should be done. Instead of questioning Kilcrohane's motives, point out what's wrong.
 
The nonsense never ends. In the US in its FIRST full month on sale, The F type sold more than the BMW Z4, MB SLK and Cayman. It sold 6 less units than the Boxster for a total of 417.
 
The nonsense never ends. In the US in its FIRST full month on sale, The F type sold more than the BMW Z4, MB SLK and Cayman. It sold 6 less units than the Boxster for a total of 417.

Kras by name, crass by nature I guess.

Look, you do realise 'sales' means just about anything? I presume you're a car industry-knowledgeable person and not just another JLR PR-parroting troll. If so, you will and ought to know 'sales', as reported by convention in the US, are not registrations or end customer purchases, but are in the main 'sales' by the maker to wholesalers, i.e. dealerships in the main.

Thus, these 'sales' you trumpet could and almost certainly are just launch stocks for the US market, liberally sprinkled onto JLR dealer forecourts. And guess what, they bloody well are - see below.

So listen, Kras1, before you start implying others are anti-JLR trolls, as indicated by your 'this nonsense never ends' crack, wind your neck back in, and come back with something factual, rather than 'sales' data, which as any half-interested industry observor knows can be made to tell anything, given the above laid out 'sales' nature of the US new car market.

Please fell free buddy to come back with other stunning retorts to the other facts I have laid out regarding Jaguar's behind the scenes slide into irrelevance and ultimate, within 2 years oblivion, due to zero real new product development since 2007 and a smokescreen of communist like media assisted PR propaganda to cover up the real desperate picture.

Now, things we know about the F-type's 'success':

the 'lightweight', 'sports car' 'heir to the E-type', has been exposed as a cynical, nothing but chopped XK, weighing 2 tons, unable to beat a half-the-price Boxster round the track - thanks to Tiff Needell - and as a result has been hastily repositioned, mid-launch, as a 'Brit Muscle Car'.

we also know, thanks to the wall to wall advertising, on all platforms for it, since months, that it can't be a runaway, able to do without being advertised and promoted, unalloyed success - can it.

we know that thanks to JLR's crazily greedy pricing - aiming it at a 911, but unable to compete with a Boxster - many once prospective buyers have been turned off.

we know that this supposedly successful car needs a 'Halfords special', 'tart it up job' already - usually happening after one year from launch at least - at Goodwood, to try to drum up some interest in the massively overweight, dated, overpriced, potentially dangerous car - bad brakes - see Autocar's test where brakes faded after five or so minutes on track - and extremely nose heavy/rear light and wayward, thus poor handling.

we know that matters are getting desperate at Gaydon Sales & Marketing, because Clarkson has been given many shekels to do a totally OTT, buttock-clenchingly cringeworthy jingoistic half hour advert for the F-type on his BBC brainwashing show, aka Top Gear. This represents JLR's last hope to get the F-type away, with the critically important US market, as Clarkson there, inexpicably, is still seen as a god, rather than a IP-thieving joke - he knocked off Johnny Knoxville's Jackass template for "cocking about" in the early 2000s for the new Top Gear, like his mother, with her similar road-to-riches enabling theft of the IP for Paddington Bear from its creator.

and we now know thanks to the excellent 'Baron95' - see below - who unlike me, amazingly remains a Jaguar fan and XFR owner, even though he seems intelligent - but has seen right through the F-type hype and cynicism of the product itself, and now records that the 'successful' F-type, in its only real market - the US - is effectively already being offered at a 'pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap' discount, through leasing, and yet, in his affluent area - Connecticut - home of the Wall St. banksters - he sees stock piling up on forecourts - the ones recorded by you and JLR above, no doubt, as 'sales'.

that'll do for now, but I'm sure as the summer goes on we'll see more sure-fire signs of your claimed sales 'success' for the F-type, undoubtedly including the huge pent-up demand and backlog of orders for the new Corvette C7.
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'Jaguar F-type Incentive Lease for only $759/month
Wow, I didn't expect this level of incentives so soon, but Jaguar USA has rolled out a lease incentive on a well equipped ($4,000 in options) F-type for only $759/month.

That is quite shocking, and is certain to move cars. Good move by Jaguar to seed the market before summer is over. But I wonder why they thought they needed to resort to this level of incentives. In comparison, Boxster, 911, Cayman, Stingray, have no special lease incentives running.

Either way, leasing is the only way to go with new Jags, since depreciation is a bitch. At least on a lease, you are not stuck with it.

Details below - hurry to your Jaguar dealer

Lease a 2014 Jaguar F-TYPE Convertible for $759*/mo

340 HP 3.0 Supercharged V6 Jaguar F-TYPE Convertible
42 Month Lease / 10,000 Miles per Year / $0 Security
MSRP: $73,845 / Vin# K01008 / $4,399* Cap Cost Down'

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'Wow. I'm shocked to find out that F-types are piling up on dealerships.

I just checked my local dealer (where I got the XFR). They have 5 F-types ranging from $73K to $103K, including 3 V8 S on the lot.

Shocking!!!

As a contrast the C7 Corvette Stingray is on dealer restricted allocation, and many dealers are up in arms because they can't get even a single one, even with a firm customer order, for several months and no prospect of being able to get one.

Really shocking - 5 F-types for the taking in one small local dealer.

I revise my predictions. Heavy discounts will start in the FIRST model year. And by next winter it will be bargain galore to buy left over 2014 cars.

Now I see the need for the low lease.

Wow!!!!

Shocking.'

Jaguar F-type Incentive Lease for only $759/month
 
Kras by name, crass by nature I guess.

No personal attack or insults allowed, this isn't your first warning, so it appears you either do not understand the simple guidelines or you chose not to follow.
 
Kras by name, crass by nature I guess.

Unacceptable. If you are as intelligent as your posts (not including the repetitive rant against JLR) show, then why can't you understand one simple rule? No personal insults.

Look, you do realise 'sales' means just about anything? I presume you're a car industry-knowledgeable person and not just another JLR PR-parroting troll. If so, you will and ought to know 'sales', as reported by convention in the US, are not registrations or end customer purchases, but are in the main 'sales' by the maker to wholesalers, i.e. dealerships in the main.

Thus, these 'sales' you trumpet could and almost certainly are just launch stocks for the US market, liberally sprinkled onto JLR dealer forecourts. And guess what, they bloody well are - see below.

So listen, Kras1, before you start implying others are anti-JLR trolls, as indicated by your 'this nonsense never ends' crack, wind your neck back in, and come back with something factual, rather than 'sales' data, which as any half-interested industry observor knows can be made to tell anything, given the above laid out 'sales' nature of the US new car market.

So you don't accept sales as fact. Skipping the part where you quote some random members (I guess only those who have the same opinion with you) from some other forum, you accept as facts only JLR of USA's marketing policy, with quite interesting initial discounts? I wonder if other than an inveterate JLR hater, are you also a marketing and sales expert? Maybe good discounts are a way to push more products into the market and then let the product market itself.

Also, you didn't answer my question from another thread. What if Jaguar's engineers knew that they only have an old platform and not enough money, so they made the best possible they could with the given tech?
 
Kras by name, crass by nature I guess.

Look, you do realise 'sales' means just about anything? I presume you're a car industry-knowledgeable person and not just another JLR PR-parroting troll. If so, you will and ought to know 'sales', as reported by convention in the US, are not registrations or end customer purchases, but are in the main 'sales' by the maker to wholesalers, i.e. dealerships in the main.

Thus, these 'sales' you trumpet could and almost certainly are just launch stocks for the US market, liberally sprinkled onto JLR dealer forecourts. And guess what, they bloody well are - see below.

So listen, Kras1, before you start implying others are anti-JLR trolls, as indicated by your 'this nonsense never ends' crack, wind your neck back in, and come back with something factual, rather than 'sales' data, which as any half-interested industry observor knows can be made to tell anything, given the above laid out 'sales' nature of the US new car market.


You my friend are HILARIOUS! I'm not going to waste a whole page replying to your nonsense. A lot of your posts are filled with details that can not be supported. Might want to try being more balanced and factual for once. YOU do realize that sales can be verified by vehicle registrations. YOU do get this, RIGHT? There is nothing wrong with offering vehicle promos on a new car and SO what some dealers have more cars than other. Jaguar has to re-establish itself in this market.

Oh BTW I work in the Aviation industry. Also I have no reason to trumpet JLR even though I've bought consecutive Range Rovers (AND plan to buy the new sport). In addition I drive a BMW 7 series and Benz and had a 911.... I have a fairly balanced view of the luxury car market and buy which vehicle I like regardless of brand. Please dispute that the F type sales are not real with facts. Let me grab some popcorn for this....
 
Also, you didn't answer my question from another thread. What if Jaguar's engineers knew that they only have an old platform and not enough money, so they made the best possible they could with the given tech?

there's only one answer to that: £2.5bn. That's the amount trumpeted almost daily by JLR's media presstitutes for the amount JLR is spending PER YEAR on R&D. If that were true, why would JLR use a seven year old, 2 ton chopped XK for their 911 killer?

Someone's lying. You work it out. Too much ado about sweet f.a, is the truth of the sham JLR.
 
You my friend are HILARIOUS! I'm not going to waste a whole page replying to your nonsense.

nope, because you ain't got an answer - at least one with a passing acquaintance with factual reality.

A lot of your posts are filled with details that can not be supported.

- so rebut them with facts. When will the XF's replacement be launched? Remember that? Just one answer. Not too hard, surely.

YOU do realize that sales can be verified by vehicle registrations. YOU do get this, RIGHT?

- er, you were the one who brought up the US SALES figures, RIGHT?

The US reports sales. Whole-sales. Easy to manipulate, i.e. infamous "Channel Stuffing", launch stocks disguised as buyer demand, self-registration, etc. etc..

Jaguar has to re-establish itself in this market.

- Uh? ever heard of the XK, XK8, XJS, E-type? Jaguar is a 60 years plus old established brand in the US. In fact, Jaguar is probably better known in the US, on the coasts particularly, than in the UK, and certainly much of Europe, thanks to shills like Clarkson and his Jag-wah schtick. Give me a break with 'Jaguar re-establishing itself'! What it needs to re-establish is a scintilla of engineering credibility, and cut out the PR overdrive crap.
 
nope, because you ain't got an answer - at least one with a passing acquaintance with factual reality.



- so rebut them with facts. When will the XF's replacement be launched? Remember that? Just one answer. Not too hard, surely.

****Don't know and don't care; though, I would have bought an XFR instead of my '12 BMW if an AWD version existed. Of course this is personal opinion, I still think the XF is one of the nicest looking vehicles in its segment. The refreshed grill was a big improvement.****

- er, you were the one who brought up the US SALES figures, RIGHT?

The US reports sales. Whole-sales. Easy to manipulate, i.e. infamous "Channel Stuffing", launch stocks disguised as buyer demand, self-registration, etc. etc..

****No you mentioned the F type was not selling well AND I corrected you. Get over yourself!!!****

- Uh? ever heard of the XK, XK8, XJS, E-type? Jaguar is a 60 years plus old established brand in the US. In fact, Jaguar is probably better known in the US, on the coasts particularly, than in the UK, and certainly much of Europe, thanks to shills like Clarkson and his Jag-wah schtick. Give me a break with 'Jaguar re-establishing itself'! What it needs to re-establish is a scintilla of engineering credibility, and cut out the PR overdrive crap.

****No never heard these...roll eyes. You know very well that the XK is not a sports car. Yes Jaguar has to re-establish itself.****
 
Automobile Magazine: Jaguar's Future Model Lineup (November 2012)
The release of the 2014 F-type is just the beginning for Jaguar. Expect to see an all-new XF, XJ, XK, and more within the next five years.

F-Type
Jaguar is on a roll thanks to its new F-Type, which looks quite fetching even if it may not stir one’s glands in quite the same way as the E-Type did way back when. After the F-Type roadster goes on sale, we will see a coupe, soon-to-be-renamed SC and R versions, an all-wheel drive model, and a hot and hairy GT street racer. It all sounds remarkably like the formula Porsche has perfected with the 911.

XK
Already in the pipeline is a new XK, which must, for cost reasons, use a modified version of the existing platform. The recipe is quite simple: more power, more torque, more equipment, and more prestige all wrapped in a slightly bigger and allegedly even more striking body than now. All of that should help position the next top-of-the-line Jaguar sports car almost a full notch above the current model.

3-Series Fighter
The most significant game-changer from Coventry is project X760. This past summer, the new entry-level rear- and all-wheel-drive Jaguar aimed at the Audi A4, the BMW 3-Series, and the Mercedes-Benz C-Class was given the official go-ahead. The first-generation model is likely to be available in two body styles: a stylish four-door sedan due in 2015 and a sporty five-door crossover that follows in 2016. X760 is an integral part of Jaguar’s premium lightweight architecture (PLA), which is scalable as far as the material mix is concerned and modular in terms of engineering content. Case in point, PLA is already in use with the current Jaguar XJ and the 2013 Land Rover Range Rover.

XF
The next XF – codenamed X260 – is scheduled to carry on in sedan and Sportbrake (wagon) form. A coupe and a convertible are nice options in this segment, but if Jaguar can fund a third model, it would probably be a Land Rover/Range Rover–derived crossover.

XJ
The marque’s strategy for the future XJ (X360) is quite interesting. If all goes according to plan, we may see up to three different XJ models when the current car is replaced in 2017. Absolutely cast in stone is “an absolutely lickable, damn good-looking” high-end sedan that “is going to be even more desirable than a Bentley Continental Flying Spur for half the price.”

Number two in line is a proper XJ replacement, and here is where the internal debate is raging – choices are between a pretty but conventional four-door sedan and a slightly off-beat, emphatically avant-garde design. The outcome of this discussion may be influenced by whether Jaguar (and parent company Tata) can afford a third XJ model, which would likely be a four-seat, four-door coupe “that is breathtakingly beautiful inside and out.” If the CLS/Gran Coupe fighter gets the nod, then the mainstay XJ will probably be less extroverted than the car it replaces.

-Georg Kacher
http://rumors.automobilemag.com/deep-dive-jaguars-future-model-lineup-186155.html#axzz2Yk5T1brv
 
Jaguar Land Rover reports fiscal year earnings for 2012-13 (28 May 2013)
Record sales, revenues and profits

Retails 374,636, up 22 percent
Revenues £15.8bn, up 17 percent
Profit before tax £1,675m, up 11 percent

Successful launches of all-new Range Rover, Jaguar XF Sportbrake and new AWD XF and AWD XJ and several engine derivatives

Coventry: Jaguar Land Rover Automotive has today reported revenues of £15.8bn for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2013, up 17 percent year-on-year (£13.5bn last year).

Retail sales increased 22 percent to 374,636 vehicles, supported by significant product actions including the all-new Range Rover, Jaguar all-wheel drive XF and XJ and the XF Sportbrake. The company generated positive sales growth in all regions – China up 48 percent, Asia Pacific up 27 percent, UK up 20 percent, Europe up 18 percent, North America up 9 percent and other overseas markets up 19 percent.

Profit before tax increased by 11 percent to £1,675m for the fiscal year (£1,507m last year).

Commenting on the results, Jaguar Land Rover chief executive officer, Dr Ralf Speth, said, "The positive result for the financial year demonstrates that we have strong demand for our great, solid product portfolio all around the world.

"During this period Jaguar Land Rover unveiled major new products, the all-new all aluminium Range Rover and the Jaguar Sportbrake, the AWD XF and AWD XJ and the stunning F-Type."

Dr Speth continued, "Jaguar Land Rover invested significantly in the product creation process, in our advanced manufacturing sites and created more than 3,000 jobs. This commitment is set to continue with a sustained programme of investment which will see us spend in the region of £2.75bn on new product, people and infrastructure in the year to March 2014."
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Automobile Magazine: Jaguar's Future Model Lineup (November 2012)

- 7 months old already.

- a 4WD F-type? a 4,300 lb 'lightweight' 'sports car'?! they must be on drugs in Gaydon.

- no date for the already 8 yrs old XK's replacement - 'in the pipeline' - yeah right.

- ditto for the nearly 6 yrs old XF.

- '3-series fighter' - what, like the F-type was dubbed the '911-killer' by JLR's pet hacks? By 2015 the new W205 C-Class will be fully on sale, the new A4 likewise and Cadillac's ATS well-established and further honed, not to mention the Lexus IS, Infinti Q50 and so on. A Jag, if it did exist, based on a 2002 XJ floorpan, would be like putting the Model T up against, well, the 3-series. Get real. This talk of a 'baby Jag' has been going on for more than 6 years now, and always 2 years from production - Total BS.

- new XJ - 2017. Come on, the W221 S-Class had the re-skinned 2002 XJ dead in the water since 2009, whatever the lying JLR figures for sales in China say. So the current, already 4 yr old XJ, is expected to carry on for four more yrs at least against the might of the W222? decoded -Jaguar's clearest admission there is no plan for JLR beyond 2013 when the stock market float by owner Tata is envisaged, to hopefully cash in before hollowed-out state of operation is uncovered.

Pity Georg Kacher gets paid writing claptrap like this - he can't be stupid enough to believe it.
 
Oh it's way more serious than him having a Jaguar that broke down. This guy either owned a dealership, was a principle in one, or a ex company executive that was fired. He worked for JLR in some capacity either at the retail level or corporate. I can't see someone having this much animus toward a car company and having such detailed info (some of it seemingly insider info) due to a bad ownership experience. It has to be more. Sounds like a fired executive to me.

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Kilcrohane is clearly no idiot. His language is impeccable and it's safe to assume he's not a teenager in his bedroom with nothing better to do. As much as people have the right to remain anonymous on here, they also shouldn't troll the forum due to to some personal incident that has happened in their lives, be that being a fired executive or engineer, and use this as a vessel to vent. Kilcrohane's posts are biased massively, and he never fails to take every opportunity to push his propaganda whilst at the same time ignoring other members who provide answers to his bilge.
 
Kilcrohane is clearly no idiot. His language is impeccable and it's safe to assume he's not a teenager in his bedroom with nothing better to do. As much as people have the right to remain anonymous on here, they also shouldn't troll the forum due to to some personal incident that has happened in their lives, be that being a fired executive or engineer, and use this as a vessel to vent. Kilcrohane's posts are biased massively, and he never fails to take every opportunity to push his propaganda whilst at the same time ignoring other members who provide answers to his bilge.

Aaah, the anonymous Internet. With a little private investigation, our troll kilcrohane would be exposed for having some impassioned and poisoned motive. Not that I disagree with everything he says. Just 70% of it.
 
Jaguar commences work on the next gen XF and XJ


According to a report on Autocar UK, Jaguar has commenced work on the next generation XF and XJ saloons.

Jaguar design director, Ian Callum, said that he was responsible for designing the new XF, and that he was “thinking” about the new XJ as well.
According to the design director, the current XF – which was introduced in 2008 and subsequently facelifted in 2011 – has aged very well. The report says that the new XF could feature an evolved styling of the current model, while using certain design highlights from the F-Type and C-X17 concept.
The new XF would arrive in 2016, and would compete with the next generation 5 Series which is also expected at about the same time.
Meanwhile, before Jaguar launches the next generation XJ, a refreshed model will be introduced next year. Camouflaged prototypes are already doing the rounds in the UK, and our render artist, Shoeb, envisioned what the new flagship luxury sedan would look like recently.
In another report, Autocar says that future Jags will no longer use the oval grille which is currently seen on models such as the XK. Instead, new models will use a trapezoidal shape for the grille with design inferences coming from the F-Type and C-X17.

Report - Jaguar commences work on the next gen XF and XJ
 
Someone should invite Kilcrohane back, I'd like to hear his take on the news above.
 

Jaguar Land Rover

Jaguar Land Rover Automotive PLC is the holding company for Jaguar Land Rover Limited, also known as JLR, a British multinational manufacturer of luxury and sports utility vehicles. JLR, headquartered in Whitley, Coventry, UK, is a subsidiary of Tata Motors. Jaguar and Land Rover, with histories dating to the 1920s and 1940s, merged in 1968 under British Leyland. They later became independent and were subsidiaries of BMW and Ford. In 2000, BMW dissolved the Rover Group, selling Land Rover to Ford. Since 2008, Tata Motors has owned Jaguar Land Rover.
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