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[Levi68]

Now see if you get this: Any one can use anyone's words as an excuse to commit crimes.

I never defended his use of the term (I even wrote that it was *stupid*, go see for yourself), what I said was that you cannot lay blame on a man for somebody else actions. No matter who it is. If you in your very next post said something similar and I acted on it by committing a crime, are you to blame?

No one blames Trump, for the evil action of one guy (that one that punches a Asian guy because of Corona virus). The guy that did the act is to be blamed, he cannot blame Trump, saying he did it because Trump said Chinese virus instead of Corona virus.

However Betty (and other) reproach Trump for choosing that term. The reason is because it triggers bad responses (criminal racist act) in some people. If you are clever enough to know that your words can trigger another person's evil actions, you avoid using those words and triggering them. I have the impression Trump does that on purpose, that is the wrong.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Oh jeeezuz..... okay. The man who got elected to be in charge of the arguably most powerful country in the world is a racist bigot who belittles every race there is, except for white people. That sounds plausible.

So your reasoning for thinking Trump isn't a racist is because it doesn't sound plausible? Jesus, people like you deny what is right in front of them, and then you question how it's possible somebody racist can get into the White House? People like you make it happen!


This is just a SMALL selection of examples of Trump being racist over the years...

In 1973 the U.S. Department of Justice sued for discrimination against African Americans in their renting practices.

During the investigation four of Trump's agents admitted to using a "C" or "9" code to label Black applicants and stated that they were told their company "discouraged rental to blacks" or that they were "not allowed to rent to black tenants,"

Three doormen testified to being told to discourage prospective Black renters by lying about the rental prices or claiming no vacancies were available.

Elyse Goldweber, the Justice Department lawyer tasked with taking Trump's deposition, has stated that during a coffee break Trump said to her directly, "You know, you don’t want to live with them either."

In a 1991 book, speaking about his black accountant:
"I think that's guy's lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks."

On February 28 2016, in an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper:
Tapper specifically asked Trump about the Ku Klux Klan twice, with Trump replying: "But you may have groups in there that are totally fine, and it would be very unfair".

On Native Americans:
Alluded to Mohawk Indians doing cocaine and bringing violence, asking: "Are these the new neighbors we want?"

During The Apprentice:
Trump proposed that the fourth season of the television show The Apprentice would feature an exclusively white team of blondes competing against a team of only African-Americans.

Former Apprentice contestant and former Trump administration communications director Omarosa Manigault Newman claims that Trump used "the N-word and others." Bill Pruitt, co-producer of Season One of The Apprentice has also claimed that trump used a racial slur during filming of the show.

On Barack Obama's citizenship:
In 2011, Trump revived the already discredited Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories that had been circulating since Obama's 2008 presidential campaign, and, for the following five years, he played a leading role in the so-called "birther movement".

After Obama released his long-form birth certificate in 2011, Trump claimed the certificate was a fraud. In September 2016, after Trump campaign surrogates falsely claimed that Trump had accepted Obama's citizenship in 2011, Trump acknowledged that Obama was born in the US, while falsely claiming that it was Hillary Clinton who originally raised questions about Obama's place of birth. In November 2017, The New York Times reported that Trump was "still privately asserting that Obama’s birth certificate may have been fraudulent."

After 9/11:
At a rally in Birmingham, Alabama on November 21, 2015, Trump falsely claimed that he had seen television reports about "thousands and thousands" of Arabs in New Jersey celebrating as the World Trade Center collapsed during the 9/11 attacks. In an interview with George Stephanopoulos, Trump doubled-down on the assertion, insisting that "there were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations".

On Somali refugees:
In August 2016 Trump campaigned in Maine, which has a large immigrant Somali population. At a rally he said, "We've just seen many, many crimes getting worse all the time, and as Maine knows — a major destination for Somali refugees — right, am I right?"

In Lewiston, home to the largest population of Maine Somalis, the police chief said Somalis have integrated into the city and they have not caused an increase in crime; crime is actually going down, not up. The mayor said Lewiston is safe and they all get along.

On Twitter:
Prior to and during the 2016 campaign, Trump used his political platform to spread disparaging messages against various racial groups.

Retweeted a false claim that 81% of white murder victims were killed by black people.

During the campaign Trump was found to have retweeted the main influencers of the #WhiteGenocide movement over 75 times, including twice that he retweeted a user with the handle @WhiteGenocideTM.

On the pardoning of Joe Arpaio:
The U.S. Department of Justice concluded that Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio oversaw the worst pattern of racial profiling in U.S. history. The illegal tactics that he was using included "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates". Trump called him "a great American patriot", President Trump pardoned him soon afterwards, even before sentencing took place.

Harvard law professor Noah Feldman said this was "an assault on the federal judiciary, the constitution and the rule of law itself". The American Civil Liberties Union, which was involved in the case resulting in Arpaio's conviction, tweeted: "By pardoning Joe Arpaio, Donald Trump has sent another disturbing signal to an emboldened white nationalist movement that this White House supports racism and bigotry." According to ACLU deputy legal director Cecilia Wang, the pardon was "a presidential endorsement of racism".

On the Charlottesville Rally:
In his initial statement on the rally, Trump did not denounce white nationalists but instead condemned "hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". His statement and his subsequent defenses of it, in which he also referred to "very fine people on both sides", suggested a moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them, leading some observers to state that he was sympathetic to white supremacy. Trump later said: "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally".

Two days later, following a wave of disapproval that met his initial remarks, Trump delivered a prepared statement, saying "Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs." However, the next day he defended the original rally, stating, "You had people in that group who were protesting the taking down of what to them is a very, very important statue...You're changing history; you're changing culture," and again placed blame on the counterprotesters in affirming, "I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it. You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. No one wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now: You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent." Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke praised Trump's remarks in a tweet.

Five days after the rally, Trump returned to Twitter to express sympathy with the original rally and their defense of Confederate statues, writing, "Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments" and "the beauty that is being taken out of our cities, towns and parks will be greatly missed and never able to be comparably replaced!"

In Phoenix, Arizona, where he had said of those who wish to take down Confederate statues, "They’re trying to take away our culture. They’re trying to take away our history."

"Pretty Korean lady":
In an intelligence briefing on hostages held by a terrorist group in Pakistan, Trump repeatedly interrupted the briefing to ask an Asian-American intelligence analyst who specializes in hostage situations "where are you from?" After she told him she was from New York he asked again and she clarified that she was from Manhattan. He pressed with the question until she finally told him that her parents were Korean. Trump then asked one of his advisers why "the pretty Korean lady" was not negotiating for him with North Korea. When Trump refused to accept New York as an answer he is "saying that children of Asian immigrants can never truly be 'from' America. This isn't just simple bigotry; it feels like a rejection of the classic American 'melting pot' ideal altogether."

"Shithole countries":
On January 11, 2018, during an Oval Office meeting about immigration reform, commenting on immigration figures from El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, and African countries, Trump reportedly said: "Those shitholes send us the people that they don't want"

Conservative columnist Erick Erickson said Trump had privately bragged to friends about making the remarks, thinking "it would play well with the base." The Washington Post quoted Trump's aides as saying Trump had called friends to ask how his political supporters would react to the coverage of the incident, and that he was "not particularly upset" by its publication.

False attribution of foreigness to members of minorities:
On July 14, 2019, Trump tweeted about four Democratic congresswomen, and although he did not mention any member of Congress by name, it was widely inferred that he was referring to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib.

"So interesting to see "Progressive" Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe". - Donald Trump, July 14th, 2019

Only one of those congresswomen is an immigrant; the other three were born in the United States, making Trump's comments an example of the false attribution of foreignness to members of minorities.



Between 2014 and 2018, the number of hate groups skyrocketed 30%, reaching 892 in 2015; 917 in 2016; 954 in 2017; and to a record number 1,020 in 2018. According to Mark Potok at the SPLC, Donald Trump's presidential campaign speeches "demonizing statements about Latinos and Muslims have electrified the radical right, leading to glowing endorsements from white nationalist leaders such as Jared Taylor and former Klansman David Duke".

The Ku Klux Klan held a rally at the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally in 2017. Former grand wizard David Duke spoke calling the demonstrations a "turning point" saying, "We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back."

A 2018 study found that Trump's anti-establishment campaign positions, for example his frequent "drain the swamp" rhetoric, was less of a draw for voters than were his negative attitudes towards ethnic minorities and sexism. One study found that "Trump’s rhetoric and rallies served to heighten white identity and increase the perceived threat facing white Americans [and found] that counties which hosted a Trump rally saw a 226% increase in hate-motivated incidents." In 2019, the Brookings Institution reported that statistics show that Trump's racist rhetoric has resulted in an increase in violence in America. Their study found "substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it." Looking at hate crime figures in which Trump had won the election they found a jump of hate crimes, the second largest jump in 25 years, the first being September 11, 2001.


@montana If you don't think Trump is racist, then you're either monumentally stupid, or you CHOOSE not to see it.

 

[montana]

No one blames Trump, for the evil action of one guy (that one that punches a Asian guy because...

What neither of you are getting into your heads is that these people will commit these crimes anyway, they'll always find an excuse! It's not like these are sane people walking the streets, and suddenly getting triggered by a term such as "Chinese virus" from the president. Omg man, please. I have repeatedly given you examples of violence from left-leaning people committing far worse DEADLY crimes, but Betty doesn't seem to care. As long as it's republicans or police officers getting shot, it's ok it seems.

Now THAT is truly disgusting.

 

[KiwiRob]

He only began calling it the Chinese virus on 16th March. He actually called it "Coron...

I think Trump is far more concerned about Wall Street than he is about the average US citizen, he almost always adds something about the stockmarket in all his speeches.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

@montana

You claimed it was implausible that Donald Trump could be racist, so I spent one hour citing examples of when Donald Trump has been racist. You've ignored it.

What neither of you are getting into your heads is that these people will commit these crimes anyway, they'll always find an excuse!

I have quoted ACTUAL data which proves that people act on things Trump says. I'll repeat it again:

One study found that "Trump’s rhetoric and rallies served to heighten white identity and increase the perceived threat facing white Americans [and found] that counties which hosted a Trump rally saw a 226% increase in hate-motivated incidents." In 2019, the Brookings Institution reported that statistics show that Trump's racist rhetoric has resulted in an increase in violence in America. Their study found "substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it." Looking at hate crime figures in which Trump had won the election they found a jump of hate crimes, the second largest jump in 25 years, the first being September 11, 2001.

Omg man, please. I have repeatedly given you examples of violence from left-leaning people committing far worse DEADLY crimes, but Betty doesn't seem to care. As long as it's republicans or police officers getting shot, it's ok it seems.

Now THAT is truly disgusting.

There is a difference between Obama speaking out against VERY REAL institutional racism within the police causing a black person to deliberately target police officers, and Donald Trump repeating FABRICATED data about minorities and immigrants, and using racial epithets which results in people targeting minorities.

You've attempted to say "Obama did the same as Trump is doing now". For Obama to do the same as Trump, he would have had to use inflammatory racial epithets, and fabricate facts. It would have to mean he's stood on a platform and said "White people are lazy. White people are rapists. White police officers are killing black people" whilst at the same time there is demonstrably NO racism within the U.S. police. This clearly didn't happen.

You're an utter disgrace @montana , continually defending Trump whilst saying "Obama did this, Obama did that". You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I think Trump is far more concerned about Wall Street than he is about the average US citizen,...

Here is the profitable solution for him: emit stocks of the corona virus. When the others are falling, these of the corona will rise and vice versa. Everything will be balanced and the stockmarket won't suffer any shocks.

 

[Matski]

so I spent one hour citing examples of when Donald Trump has been racist. You've ignored it.

Owing the links embedded within your post it was held back for moderation automatically, @montana may well have simply not been able to see it.

Also... I'll draw everyone's attention to the big whopping instruction at the top of the page...

... believe it or not, it is possible to make an effective well researched political post without tagging a jibe on for good measure.

 

[montana]

@montana

You claimed it was implausible that Donald Trump could be...

Ha, this is so easy. Why don't you reply to what I stated in my post yesterday, and we can take it from there. You don't get to ignore 99 %, and then spend an hour finding new material. Let's take this step by step, I'm more than happy to talk.

Btw, I didn't ignore anything, I didn't refresh the page, so I didn't see it. But no worries, we'll get into that as soon as you answer my earlier questions.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Owing the links embedded within your post it was held back for moderation automatically, @montana may well have simply not been able to see it.

Also... I'll draw everyone's attention to the big whopping instruction at the top of the page...

... believe it or not, it is possible to make an effective well researched political post without tagging a jibe on for good measure.

I have no time for anybody whose reasoning for Trump not being racist is because "he's the President, it's not plausible", even when you point out many, many examples of Trump being racist.

I also have no time for people who are so naive that they don't think there are people who wouldn't otherwise do anything and who act on what people in authority say. There is even data which proves that.

No wonder Trump came to power when people are just completely oblivious to it, or even worse, wilfully oblivious to it. I'm confident there will be a day when we look back on this period as history and be thankful we've moved on.

 

[empower77]

What neither of you are getting into your heads is that these people will commit these crimes...

I understand that you love Trump, but he is a POS... whichever way you slice and dice it. NO OTHER PRESIDENT IN RECEGR HISTORY HAD RESORTED TO THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE... EVEN THE POTHEAD BUSH GOT THE COUNTRY TOGETHER AFTER 9/11 in his speech from the WTC.

This piece of orange trash called the neo nazis after the Charlottesville riots - ‘good people’.

I’m sorry but if you voted for him or support him, I have no respect for you and do not care about you at all. It is because of people like yourself that my country and my planet are in grave danger.

 

[J.E]

German firm insists Trump didn’t try to buy coronavirus vaccine

Pharma company contradicts both German government and its main investor.

German pharmaceutical company CureVac insists it did not receive any offer from U.S. President Donald Trump to secure exclusive rights to a potential coronavirus vaccine, despite the German government and the company's main investor saying it did.

CureVac deputy CEO Franz-Werner Haas said on Tuesday “there was and is no offer" from Trump "or any governmental organizations" to take over the company or "to have manufacturing slots reserved" for exclusive vaccine production for the U.S. market.

The Tübingen-based company on Sunday and Monday rejected reports that Trump had attempted to snatch up exclusive rights to the firm's coronavirus vaccine, which is currently being developed in cooperation with a taxpayer-funded German institute.

But Haas, in a one-hour news conference carried out by telephone, failed to explain why senior German ministers had confirmed — and strongly condemned— such a bid, and why even the company's main investor, Dietmar Hopp, said Monday that he had been informed about a U.S. offer which he then rejected.

Hopp said in a Sport1 interview that "it is not possible that a German company develops the vaccine and that it is used exclusively in the U.S. That was not an option for me." He added, "[Trump] spoke to the company and they immediately told me and asked me what I thought about it, and I knew immediately that this was out of the question."

Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters on Monday that the German government "has dealt very early on" with Trump's reported takeover attempt. She said, in reference to Hopp's statement, that the issue had now been "resolved."

Friedrich von Bohlen, a member of CureVac's supervisory board, tried to downplay Hopp's comments during Tuesday's press conference, and claimed that Hopp "was just summarizing all the information that came up from honestly even we don’t know where.”

There are open questions about CureVac's leadership. CEO Daniel Menichella, a U.S. citizen, had to abruptly leave the company after he participated earlier this month in a White House meeting where Trump reportedly approached him with his offer.


Menichella was replaced last week by Ingmar Hoerr, the German founder of the company. However, on Monday CureVac announced that Hoerr would take temporary leave "for medical reasons ... not caused by coronavirus," and appointed deputy CEO Haas as interim company leader.

Von Bohlen told reporters that the decision to replace Menichella had been a "mutual" decision by the board unrelated to his meeting with Trump a few days earlier. Von Bohlen said the board appointed Hoerr because of his strong background in biotechnology that could be helpful to master the coronavirus crisis.

Contradictions aside, reports about Trump's interest in CureVac have certainly benefited the company's funding: On Monday, the European Commission announced that CureVac would receive an €80 million loan "to scale up development and production of a vaccine against the coronavirus in Europe."

Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said Tuesday she was hopeful that a vaccine against coronavirus could be ready for market by fall. However, public-health experts predict that it would take a year or more to finish clinical trials and make a vaccine widely available.

CureVac's Haas said the €80 million loan would allow the company "to scale up the production" and deliver the vaccine "as fast as possible." He added that the vaccination technology currently under development could also help against other potential future viruses. The company predicts it could make about a billion doses, though the timeline for this output is not clear.


Mariola Fotin-Mleczek, CureVac's chief technology officer, told reporters on Tuesday that the company was working "hard to start the first phase of testing in early summer.” She said the company was optimistic about rolling out the vaccine "very fast and in huge quantities."

German firm insists Trump didn’t try to buy coronavirus vaccine

'There was and there is no takeover offer': German coronavirus vaccine company CureVac is shooting down viral reports that Trump tried to buy it

https://www.thelocal.de/20200317/german-biotech-firm-denies-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-offer

German company working on coronavirus vaccine denies Trump is trying to acquire its scientists

 

[montana]

I understand that you love Trump, but he is a POS... whichever way you slice and dice it. NO OTHER PRESIDENT IN RECEGR HISTORY HAD RESORTED TO THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE... EVEN THE POTHEAD BUSH GOT THE COUNTRY TOGETHER AFTER 9/11 in his speech from the WTC.

This piece of orange trash called the neo nazis after the Charlottesville riots - ‘good people’.

I’m sorry but if you voted for him or support him, I have no respect for you and do not care about you at all. It is because of people like yourself that my country and my planet are in grave danger.

I don't care for Trump, just as I don't care for any other politician. Problem with politics is that you're either in camp X or Y, leaving no room for nuanced thinking. I'm not even American. Total miss there, sorry. It's just that I absolutely hate the way people bash Trump and misquote him further their own agenda. Just look at this very thread for proof.

About Charlottesville.. No, he actually did not use those words for neo-nazis. Why don't you search for his speech, and there you will find something interesting. I'll give you some quotes from the speech:

"To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered."

"As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws"

"Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal".

But people being brainwashed by left leaning media will of course use this an argument. Do you even know what the whole ordeal was about? Trump was talking about the confederate monument debate and the two sides in relation to that debate.

Yelling isn't going to help your case by the way. Neither will personal attacks or the straw man arguments from you and Mr. Swollocks.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

About Charlottesville.. No, he actually did not use those words for neo-nazis. Why don't you search for his speech, and there you will find something interesting. I'll give you some quotes from the speech:

"To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered."

"As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws"

"Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal".

You're picking the quotes he made after being advised to change them, and you're ignoring the things he said when he's not reading from prepared statements.

I'll repeat again Trump's OWN words about Charlottesville:

• In his initial statement on the rally, Trump did not denounce white nationalists but instead condemned "hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". His statement and his subsequent defenses of it, in which he also referred to "very fine people on both sides", suggested a moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them, leading some observers to state that he was sympathetic to white supremacy.

• Two days later, following a wave of disapproval that met his initial remarks, Trump delivered a prepared statement, saying "Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs." However, the next day he defended the original rally, stating, "You had people in that group who were protesting the taking down of what to them is a very, very important statue...You're changing history; you're changing culture," and again placed blame on the counterprotesters in affirming, "I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it."

• Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke praised Trump's remarks in a tweet: "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville.

• Five days after the rally, Trump returned to Twitter to express sympathy with the original rally and their defense of Confederate statues, writing, "Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments".

• Ten days after the rally, in prepared remarks at an American Legion conference, Trump called for the country to unite. He said: "We are not defined by the color of our skin, the figure on our paycheck or the party of our politics. Rather, we are defined by our shared humanity, our citizenship in this magnificent nation and by the love that fills our hearts." The remarks came a day after further racially divisive remarks he had made at a rally in Phoenix, Arizona, where he had said of those who wish to take down Confederate statues, "They’re trying to take away our culture. They’re trying to take away our history."

• In a tweet to mark the first anniversary, Trump stated "The riots in Charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division. We must come together as a nation. I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!" Critics contended that the wording "all types of racism" could be seen as a veiled defense of white nationalists, similarly to his "both sides" remarks on the rally.

@montana You're incredibly gullible if you believe Trump's carefully prepared statements and ignore what he says when he's speaking off-script.

 

[J.E]

 

[montana]

You're picking the quotes he made after being advised to change them, and you're ignoring the things he said when he's not reading from prepared statements.

I'll repeat again Trump's OWN words about Charlottesville:

• In his initial statement on the rally, Trump did not denounce white nationalists but instead condemned "hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". His statement and his subsequent defenses of it, in which he also referred to "very fine people on both sides", suggested a moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them, leading some observers to state that he was sympathetic to white supremacy.

• Two days later, following a wave of disapproval that met his initial remarks, Trump delivered a prepared statement, saying "Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs." However, the next day he defended the original rally, stating, "You had people in that group who were protesting the taking down of what to them is a very, very important statue...You're changing history; you're changing culture," and again placed blame on the counterprotesters in affirming, "I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it."

• Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke praised Trump's remarks in a tweet: "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville.

• Five days after the rally, Trump returned to Twitter to express sympathy with the original rally and their defense of Confederate statues, writing, "Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments".

• Ten days after the rally, in prepared remarks at an American Legion conference, Trump called for the country to unite. He said: "We are not defined by the color of our skin, the figure on our paycheck or the party of our politics. Rather, we are defined by our shared humanity, our citizenship in this magnificent nation and by the love that fills our hearts." The remarks came a day after further racially divisive remarks he had made at a rally in Phoenix, Arizona, where he had said of those who wish to take down Confederate statues, "They’re trying to take away our culture. They’re trying to take away our history."

• In a tweet to mark the first anniversary, Trump stated "The riots in Charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division. We must come together as a nation. I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!" Critics contended that the wording "all types of racism" could be seen as a veiled defense of white nationalists, similarly to his "both sides" remarks on the rally.

@montana You're incredibly gullible if you believe Trump's carefully prepared statements and ignore what he says when he's speaking off-script.

I wrote a simple response to empower77, you should read it. I reiterate:

1. The "fine people on both sides" was a response to the confederate monument debate. This quote was not aimed at the racist attacks that came after. If they were, I would agree with you. And I think you know what, but of course one can always spin it to fit an agenda. Whether it's right wing or left wing.

So, given that I am right (which I am), there's nothing wrong in Trumps speech which came after his "quote". Defying and calling out racism is the least the president could do - and he did.

2. Blame on both sides: again, in relation to the confederate monument debate. He didn't blame anyone for being killed I would think.....

3. "Critics contended that the wording "all types of racism" could be seen as a veiled defense of white nationalists, similarly to his "both sides" remarks on the rally."

- Omg, even when the guy calls out racism it's wrong. And for the third and final time: The "both sides" remarks was not aimed at the individuals contributing to racist crimes!

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I wrote a simple response to empower77, you should read it. I reiterate:

1. The "fine people on both sides" was a response to the confederate monument debate. This quote was not aimed at the racist attacks that came after. If they were, I would agree with you. And I think you know what, but of course one can always spin it to fit an agenda. Whether it's right wing or left wing.

So, given that I am right (which I am), there's nothing wrong in Trumps speech which came after his "quote". Defying and calling out racism is the least the president could do - and he did.

2. Blame on both sides: again, in relation to the confederate monument debate. He didn't blame anyone for being killed I would think.....

3. "Critics contended that the wording "all types of racism" could be seen as a veiled defense of white nationalists, similarly to his "both sides" remarks on the rally."

- Omg, even when the guy calls out racism it's wrong. And for the third and final time: The "both sides" remarks was not aimed at the individuals contributing to racist crimes!

Complete and utter bullshit.

 

[montana]

Complete and utter bullshit.

Well if that's the case, why don't you show me a direct quote where he specifically talks about these racist people and addresses them as "fine people". If you could I'd be right there with you and call out the racism. But you can't.

You may call me gullible but I'd argue that you, rather, are the gullible one. Radical left wing media has trolled half the planet, sadly. And people keep falling for it.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Well if that's the case, why don't you show me a direct quote where he specifically talks about these racist people and addresses them as "fine people". If you could I'd be right there with you and call out the racism. But you can't.

He's stood on a platform and said there were "fine people on both sides", when one side contained KKK and White Supremicists. He brings it on himself. I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if it was the only time he'd been ambiguous about his feelings towards minorities, but it's just one example in a LLLOOONNNGGGG line of incidents where he's been offensive (at best), and downright racist (at worst).

If you're SOOO certain that Trump isn't racist, how do you explain the comments he made less than a year ago about four members of Congress, three of which are American?

• Most recently, Trump tweeted that several black and brown members of Congress are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. The tweets, aimed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), exemplify a common racist trope used against immigrants and minority groups who criticize US policies.

What about comments he made about black people being lazy, and that Trump said "are probably true"?

• 1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

What about on 22nd November 2015, when Trump retweeted ficticious statistics saying 81% of white murder victims were at the hands of black people?

• He has retweeted supportive messages from racist or nationalist Twitter accounts to his nine million followers. Last fall, he retweeted a graphic with fictitious crime statistics claiming that 81 percent of white homicide victims in 2015 were killed by blacks. (No such statistic was available for 2015 at the time; the actual figure for 2014 was 15 percent, according to the F.B.I.).

What about when he retweeted a post from a Twitter user with the handle "WhiteGenocideTM"? The Tweet is STILL there to this day.

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These are just a handful of the many examples of Trump being racist.


If you read any of that and you're STILL defending Trump, then you're morally repugnant.

 

[montana]

He's stood on a platform and said there were "fine people on both sides", when one side contained KKK and White Supremicists. He brings it on himself. I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if it was the only time he'd been ambiguous about his feelings towards minorities, but it's just one example in a LLLOOONNNGGGG line of incidents where he's been offensive (at best), and downright racist (at worst).

If you're SOOO certain that Trump isn't racist, how do you explain the comments he made less than a year ago about four members of Congress, three of which are American?

• Most recently, Trump tweeted that several black and brown members of Congress are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. The tweets, aimed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), exemplify a common racist trope used against immigrants and minority groups who criticize US policies.

What about comments he made about black people being lazy, and that Trump said "are probably true"?

• 1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

What about on 22nd November 2015, when Trump retweeted ficticious statistics saying 81% of white murder victims were at the hands of black people?

• He has retweeted supportive messages from racist or nationalist Twitter accounts to his nine million followers. Last fall, he retweeted a graphic with fictitious crime statistics claiming that 81 percent of white homicide victims in 2015 were killed by blacks. (No such statistic was available for 2015 at the time; the actual figure for 2014 was 15 percent, according to the F.B.I.).

What about when he retweeted a post from a Twitter user with the handle "WhiteGenocideTM"? The Tweet is STILL there to this day.

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These are just a handful of the many examples of Trump being racist.


If you read any of that and you're STILL defending Trump, then you're morally repugnant.

No, the two sides he was talking about was in relation to the confederate monument debate. Not aimed at racists. But if you still want to believe that then that's fine.

Okay, here we go.

1. About Trumps tweets/remarks regarding the congresswomen: Do you know the background for his statements? They didn't appear suddenly out of thin air. These are people who hate America and Israel. Here's a quote for you from a TRUE racist:

"Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel."

I'm not even gonna tell you who said this, but I'm sure you know. Google is your friend. Even Pelosi accused this particular woman of racism and publicly apologized. That's an OUTRIGHT QUOTE from what she actually said.

I could find so many more quotes from those women. They HATE capitalism. They despise American policies. When they come from other countries and want to implement their faulty political systems (which are the reasons their families emigrated to America in the first place, namely communism/socialism) then I don't think it's the least bit "racist" to say what he said. When you come from a place of oppression and you suddenly have the freedom you longed for, then you want to implement the same system?
Offensive maybe, but not racist. Big difference. If you want more anti-American/Jewish quotes from this women lemme know.

2. The quote from that book and Trump stating that they are true I'd like a source on. Can't seem to find anything on it on the internet?

...I doubt you'll find a direct quote with a source though. Guess this is just like that AIDS-quote; someone heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend. But we'll see. If it's true however then yes that's racism.

3. That tweet of whites being killed by blacks I'd also like to see. Would be great if you could show me the tweet itself.

4. The tweet (omg politicians should really not use this platform) with Jeb was about Trump mocking Bush, it's not motivated by racism. Yes, it's unfortunate and quite frankly idiotic to re-tweet from an account like that but he's done this a dozen times (re-tweeting from shady accounts). He often mocks his political enemies, this isn't new. If racism was his motive with this then he's the dumbest racist ever on this planet because the tweet itself isn't racist. Again: The purpose was to mock Bush.

 

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3. That tweet of whites being killed by blacks I'd also like to see. Would be great if you could show me the tweet itself.

The Tweet has been deleted by Trump, but here it is along with people saying it's not true.

When they come from other countries and want to implement their faulty political systems (which are the reasons their families emigrated to America in the first place, namely communism/socialism) then I don't think it's the least bit "racist" to say what he said. When you come from a place of oppression and you suddenly have the freedom you longed for, then you want to implement the same system?

When who comes from other countries? When who comes from a place of oppression?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was born in New York.

Ayanna Pressley was born in Cincinnati, Ohio.

Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit, Michigan.


Disagreeing with these women is not racist. Telling them to "go back to their own countries" when they were born in America, is.

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself, Montana. Your comments are a disgrace and I want nothing more to do with you. Just crawl back into the racist cesspit you call home.