Next generation small petrol engines from BMW

[Betty Swollocks]

If they can make it to create V6 which is close enough to I6 in characteristics - then, sorry, V6 will be used.

This quote is very telling. Looks like people should get used to a V6 M3. Anybody who thinks it won't happen are kidding themselves.

 

[Mr Robert]

Start think about it. Just in case.

There is an V6 prototype being tested right now. Much better configuration for the twin-turbo tech. Not to mention a bit lower center of gravity - since the engine can be a bit lower.

But there is still the weight issue, and the even bigger one: running refinement issue.

Running refinement will always suffer when using a V6. That is the law.

Yet they are working on that. Very hard.

Still ... the new generation of I6 is also being in development. So, there are pluses & minuses on both sides.

If nothing else, this was the last thing that made BMW M so special. Low weight? No. Naturally aspirated engines? No. That pure feeling of a rear wheel drive configuration? No. Racing genes? No. Building sportscars? No. But surely there must be some glorious straight six engines comming up?? No, not anymore, we here at BMW have understood that we have been a few steps behind both Audi and Mercedes when using those silly and inferior I6 engines. V6 is the future here in Dorkyville.

If they can make it to create V6 which is close enough to I6 in characteristics - then, sorry, V6 will be used.

I have a tip for the dev. team: try to put the cylinder banks as close to eachother as possible (preferably, they should try to blend them), this will eliminate what makes the V6 such a bad configuration.

 

[Mr.Link]

To think of smaller engines, isnt Mercedes already using something similar in the new E class?

The E250 CGI is a 1796 cc motor 4 cyl with about 204 hp and 310 nm torque.

I'm pretty sure they will have more variants of similar engine with higher and lower displacements

 

[SCOTT27]

The fears regarding the imminent discussion of a V6 are unfounded partly because we had the same issue regarding Turbo Charging as that was against everything BMW stood for. Again BMW convinced the enthusiasts that Turbo's can be beneficial and now we have a Six Cylinder , a V8 and an extremely powerful V12 and soon we will have four cylinder Turbo's (although if you count the MINI).

Our focus is maintaining our standing as current leaders of premium efficient cars and if we find now ways that we can resort to ,to maintain our position we will use them.

 

[Wolfgang]

The E250 CGI is a 1796 cc motor 4 cyl with about 204 hp and 310 nm torque.

Yes, that's the M 271 DE 18 LA from the M271 family:

Mercedes-Benz M271 ? Wikipedia

3 cylinder petrol: M160
3 cylinder diesel: OM660
4 cylinder petrol: M271
4 cylinder diesel: OM651

 

[klier]

There is an V6 prototype being tested right now. Much better configuration for the twin-turbo tech. Not to mention a bit lower center of gravity - since the engine can be a bit lower.

Audi couldn't fit a twin turbo inside the cylinder banks of their V6, and had to go for compressor tech...If BMW actually decides to use a V6 somewhere in the future, I hope they do find something in order to fit the twin turbo tech inside. A BMW V6 with compressor makes me ever more scared
Just typing the word V6 feels idiotic for me, I really do hate those engines

 

[Foxfire]

While most of you have obvious issues with V6s, this is not something to worry about if the end result ends up better than the current solution. When M3 had inline 6, did you cry that a V8 would ruin it? Then some seem to think that NA is what the M division is all about. Others would have it at low weight, RWD, etc. Truth of it is, any philosophy (that includes the M philosophy) that is viewed as tied to a specific technology (as opposed to a specific idea or feel) is doomed to failure. What happens when battery tech advances to the point where an electric powered car with a motor at each wheel operating independently will absolutely kill any IC car in handling/performance? Should M division just stick to the same internal combustion engine, preferably NA and inline just because you say it is so? No, it should offer the best possible driving dynamics and enjoyment using any technology that is available. That should be (and I'm thinking is) the M philosophy.

 

[Cashmere]

I can already sense it, V6 M3 is imminent.

 

[bmwblog]

While most of you have obvious issues with V6s, this is not something to worry about if the end result ends up better than the current solution. When M3 had inline 6, did you cry that a V8 would ruin it? Then some seem to think that NA is what the M division is all about. Others would have it at low weight, RWD, etc. Truth of it is, any philosophy (that includes the M philosophy) that is viewed as tied to a specific technology (as opposed to a specific idea or feel) is doomed to failure. What happens when battery tech advances to the point where an electric powered car with a motor at each wheel operating independently will absolutely kill any IC car in handling/performance? Should M division just stick to the same internal combustion engine, preferably NA and inline just because you say it is so? No, it should offer the best possible driving dynamics and enjoyment using any technology that is available. That should be (and I'm thinking is) the M philosophy.

Mark Bikermann, Motorsport Division said that if BMW will make a V6, he has no doubt it will be what everyone expects. Basically he said that BMW will not do something just have it......

I believe if they go that route, it will change people's perception of a V6 engine, they wouldn't risk their reputation with an inferior product.

 

[Foxfire]

My thought exactly, thank you

 

[Mr Robert]

Mark Bikermann, Motorsport Division said that if BMW will make a V6, he has no doubt it will be what everyone expects. Basically he said that BMW will not do something just have it......

I believe if they go that route, it will change people's perception of a V6 engine, they wouldn't risk their reputation with an inferior product.

I will never buy a BMW with a V6. Simply because the I6 was the last truly exotic about the brand.

An engine with a V6 configuration might be a little lower, resulting in a lower centre of gravity. But, if you mount twin turbos on top of it, it will be higher.

 

[klier]

^ The turbos wouldn't be on top of it. One of the major points of the V6 is (if I understand correctly) that they will then be able to put the turbos in between the Vee form, like they did witt the 4.4 V8...

Foxfire: yes, I did sort of cry when I read that the M3 would be getting a V8. I INSTANTLY knew this would become an M3 like we will never see again, because an M3 doesn't have 8 cylinders. 6 is the magical number for M3, and that's the way it's supposed to be. M3 GTR is fine with V8, regular M3 imo isn't. Too big. Too heavy. Too much.

 

[Mr Robert]

^ The turbos wouldn't be on top of it. One of the major points of the V6 is (if I understand correctly) that they will then be able to put the turbos in between the Vee form, like they did witt the 4.4 V8...

So, the turbos does not build anything to the height?

Foxfire: yes, I did sort of cry when I read that the M3 would be getting a V8. I INSTANTLY knew this would become an M3 like we will never see again, because an M3 doesn't have 8 cylinders. 6 is the magical number for M3, and that's the way it's supposed to be. M3 GTR is fine with V8, regular M3 imo isn't. Too big. Too heavy. Too much.

I'd much rather have an I4 engine than a V6 in the M3.

 

[klier]

So, the turbos does not build anything to the height?

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I'd much rather have an I4 engine than a V6 in the M3.

It's all theory of course, but I guess not, no. The turbos are within the empty space of the Vee form then.

And as for the I4 over V6....as it stands right now....I would rather have that too then....But please just give us our beloved Six In Row back!!!!

 

[Mr Robert]

Oh, we will have to see.

 

[PanterroR]

Rumours: Next Gen BMW 1-Series and 3-Series to Receive Turbo 3-Cylinder



Sky News motoring is fanning up the debate on BMW's possible new small petrol turbo engines. The source claims to have details of the new motors which will be comprised of a 1.35-litre three-cylinder and a larger 1.8-litre four-cylinder.

Five engines in total, three 1.35-litre and two 1.8-litre are listed as being part of the offering. They will be installed in 1 and 3 Series cars and perhaps in baseline 5 Series, X3 and X1 models. Power is said to range from 163bhp (122kW) and 140 lb-ft (190Nm) for a baseline model, to 241bhp (180kW) and 192 lb-ft (260Nm) for the 1.35-litre. The 1.8-litre will produce a massive 273bhp (204kW) minimum and 321bhp (239kW) tops.

BMW already has a small 2.0-litre twin turbo diesel as used in the 123D for 150kW (201bhp) and 400Nm. Where it has been lacking and where competitors like Mercedes-Benz and Audi have excelled is in the provision of compact four-pot petrol turbo engines. It looks like those days are coming to an end.

Apparently these BMW engines will be ready for production by the year 2011. They will be cleaner, more powerful and more efficient than current normally aspirated engines. The bigger twin turbo petrols like the 3.0-litre and 4.4-litre V8 will stay in the lineup.


Source: Rumours: Next Gen BMW 1-Series and 3-Series to Receive Turbo 3-Cylinder - Worldcarfans

 

[klier]

....Where it has been lacking and where competitors like Mercedes-Benz and Audi have excelled is in the provision of compact four-pot petrol turbo engines. It looks like those days are coming to an end.

Huh? Like what??? The A 200 Turbo is the only one I can think of.

 

[PanterroR]

Also that dies otto or something engine; 204 hp and 500Nm...

 

[Mr Robert]

Power is said to range from 163bhp (122kW) and 140 lb-ft (190Nm) for a baseline model, to 241bhp (180kW) and 192 lb-ft (260Nm) for the 1.35-litre. The 1.8-litre will produce a massive 273bhp (204kW) minimum and 321bhp (239kW) tops.

1.8 litre I4 engine with 321 bhp... feeling like a pure N/A engine... that would be really nice.

 

[PanterroR]

1.8 litre I4 engine with 321 bhp... feeling like a pure N/A engine... that would be really nice.

321hp from 1.8L feeling like a pure N/A engine?