Next generation small petrol engines from BMW

[Mr Robert]

321hp from 1.8L feeling like a pure N/A engine?

BMW will tell us that they can do it. I will have to try it myself before I believe it...

 

[PanterroR]

^Lol, now i agree...

 

[Mr Robert]

Hehe. Well, we don't even know if these specs are real, but if they are, I would say BMW needs have to have something really special upp their sleve.

 

[PanterroR]

Hopefully it's true, but i'll believe it when i see it...

 

[SCOTT27]

As I have said previously we will also use the 3 cylinder engine with our entry level Active Hybrid models . This will be BMW's answer to cars like the Honda Insight and Toyota Prius . But these 1er models will not be limited to just one model but across the spectrum of the next 1er which means the hatches , Coupe , Cabrio , GT 1 , X1 and of course the Z2 Roadster.

Expected later this year will be the BMW 118d Coupe model as an entry level addition to the 1er Coupe family which will stand at 118d , 120d , 123d , 125i and 135i. With the Sporting prowness of the Coupe and the efficiency of a car that is more efficient to even some of today's hybrids thanks to BMW's latest diesel technology . Technology that made the BMW 118d The Worlds green car of the year in 2008.

 

[Zafiro]

If the next 120i would get I4 Turbo with 218hp then I would change my babybimmer right away. 3-cylinders and 180hp isnt enough. Oh well there is always Golf GTi for a replacement.

 

[Mr Robert]

Oh well there is always Golf GTi for a replacement.

Great replacement, if you ask me

 

[Foxfire]

I'd much rather have an I4 engine than a V6 in the M3.

My guess is that you'll have it in the generation following the next one, probably with 2 or 3 turbos and an electric motor. Audi already announced that the next gen S4 and S5 will have 4 cylinder engines (that going from V8 to supercharged V6 is only the first step).

 

[KokkenTor]

Rumours: Next Gen BMW 1-Series and 3-Series to Receive Turbo 3-Cylinder

Power is said to range from 163bhp (122kW) and 140 lb-ft (190Nm) for a baseline model, to 241bhp (180kW) and 192 lb-ft (260Nm) for the 1.35-litre. The 1.8-litre will produce a massive 273bhp (204kW) minimum and 321bhp (239kW) tops.

Source: Rumours: Next Gen BMW 1-Series and 3-Series to Receive Turbo 3-Cylinder - Worldcarfans

These numbers are a mix-up between Kw and Hp from Worldcarfans. Correkt numbers are:
1,35l, 122Hp/190Nm
1,35l, 150Hp/220Nm
1,35l, 180Hp/260Nm
1,80l, 204Hp/300Nm
1,80l, 240Hp/350Nm

 

[Mr Robert]

My guess is that you'll have it in the generation following the next one, probably with 2 or 3 turbos and an electric motor. Audi already announced that the next gen S4 and S5 will have 4 cylinder engines (that going from V8 to supercharged V6 is only the first step).

Not really, I'd love for the next M3 to have a 2.3 litre I4 TTT (I know, I know... but I guess we have to have this) engine with 300-ish bhp and a weight of about 1,300 kgs.

V6 = el cheapo grande

 

[klier]

^ Too small: 3.0, I6, 400 hp, 1350 kg

These numbers are a mix-up between Kw and Hp from Worldcarfans. Correkt numbers are:
1,35l, 122Hp/190Nm
1,35l, 150Hp/220Nm
1,35l, 180Hp/260Nm
1,80l, 204Hp/300Nm
1,80l, 240Hp/350Nm

And what about that 4 cylinder 321 hp version??? That sounds great!

 

[Mr Robert]

^ Too small: 3.0, I6, 400 hp, 1350 kg

And what about that 4 cylinder 321 hp version??? That sounds great!

I think it has been said that the dimwits took the bhp figure and thaught it was kW.

 

[cawimmer430]

And what about that 4 cylinder 321 hp version??? That sounds great!

Damn.

 

[klier]

^^ Hmmm, too good to be true I guess

 

[Foxfire]

Wasn't there a 2.2 or 2.4 L I4 engine mentioned somewhere as well?

 

[Wolfgang]

....Where it has been lacking and where competitors like Mercedes-Benz and Audi have excelled is in the provision of compact four-pot petrol turbo engines. It looks like those days are coming to an end.

Huh? Like what??? The A 200 Turbo is the only one I can think of.

Mr. Link mentioned it already. It's the E 250 CGI with 1796 ccm displacement, direct injection and turbocharging, producing 204 hp (150 kW) and 310 Nm from 2000 to 4300 rpm. The Mercedes designation is M 271 DE 18 LA. Start of production expected this fall.

 

[klier]

^ So still not on the market while my quote above makes it sound they have been selling them already, and BMW has been lacking.....

The only 4 pot turbo I can think of right now is the A/B 200 Turbo, still.

Mercedes might have this new 250 CGI engine a bit sooner than BMW, but BMW has much more turbo 4 cylinder engines in the works, and with better hp numbers too

 

[bmer]

Well, I would say Mercedes and especially Audi are ahead of BMW in introducing turbo-I4s. Audi has had the 1.8 T and later the 1.8 TFSI & 2.0 TFSI. Mercedes has the 2.0-liter A 200 Turbo and B 200 Turbo and the new 1.8-liter in the W212 E 250 CGI (already priced & available for order) and upcoming E 200 CGI (135 kW / 270 Nm / 6.8 liters/100 km)

 

[Deleted User 18755]

These numbers are a mix-up between Kw and Hp from Worldcarfans. Correkt numbers are:
1,35l, 122Hp/190Nm x14i
1,35l, 150Hp/220Nm x16i
1,35l, 180Hp/260Nm x18i
1,80l, 204Hp/300Nm x20i
1,80l, 240Hp/350Nm x23i

Double up the cylinder counts on the above engines and we get:

2.7l, 244Hp/380Nm 6-Cyl x25i
2.7l, 300Hp/440Nm 6-Cyl x30i
2.7l, 360Hp/520Nm 6-Cyl x35i
3.2l, 408Hp/600Nm 8-Cyl x40i
3.2l, 480Hp/700Nm 8-Cyl x45i

Anyone else see this as the way forward for BMW I6/V6 and V8 engines?

x = Series, 1, 3, 5, 6, 7 etc

 

[Jackbmw]

Double up the cylinder counts on the above engines and we get:

2.7l, 244Hp/380Nm 6-Cyl x25i
2.7l, 300Hp/440Nm 6-Cyl x30i
2.7l, 360Hp/520Nm 6-Cyl x35i
3.2l, 408Hp/600Nm 8-Cyl x40i
3.2l, 480Hp/700Nm 8-Cyl x45i

Anyone else see this as the way forward for BMW I6/V6 and V8 engines?

x = Series, 1, 3, 5, 6, 7 etc

It should rather be (2 x 1,8 = 3,6)
3.6l, 408Hp/600Nm 8-Cyl x40i
3.6l, 480Hp/700Nm 8-Cyl x45i

IMO the 4-pots should not be bigger than 2,0 liters. Everything from 2 to 3 liters should have 6 pots. Above 3 liters 8 pots.

But I realize that today car makers are expected to castrate their engines