E-Class (W213/C238/A238) Next E-class on a Severe Diet


The Mercedes-Benz W213 is the fifth generation of the E-Class range. Body styles: sedan/saloon (W213), wagon/estate (S213), long wheelbase (V213), coupé (C238), cabriolet (A238). Production: 2016–2023. Predecessor: W212 E-Class. Successor: W214 E-Class, C236/A236 CLE.
I was gonna say that too (about the CLS). The E has a much more recognizable/popularized name, so making the E more like the CLS would cannibalize the CLS (I wouldn't be surprised if in some time, there won't be a CLS anymore, as they're already talking about releasing S 4-Door Coupes, and more 4-Door Coupe derivatives of their core models, etc.).

The ONLY way I can think that this "Superlight" thing would work, is if they replace the "E-Coupe" with it (which also has a different design from the true/core E-Class W212), or if it's some AMG version (for performance sake), or if M-B is about to release a copy-cat competitor to BMW's new "i" Series.
 
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Ouch, MB...
 
Why not make the regular E-class superlight, or at least much lighter? Why would you make two different E-classes? I find it a bit strange, doesn't make sense.

Because they sell 100,000 E classes per year now, and when they make the E 'super light', it will cost double at least, and they suddenly sell 100 per year...
 
E Superlight might be ready by 2017? ;)

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Deep Dive: Mercedes-Benz E-Class Superlight

Mercedes started to explore the higher output potential of the lightweight black gold back in 2010. Although they had gained some experience when working together with McLaren on the SLR, the Germans needed a credible answer to the BMW i3 and i5, they needed a solution that met their cost and volume targets, and they needed it fast. While Audi is still hesitating to jump on the synthetic bandwagon, the VW group is also trying to make up for lost time and has selected Lamborghini as the interim carbon fiber flagship brand.

The Contenders

Well advised by their trend spotters, MB’s Dieter Zetsche and his chief engineer Thomas Weber understood the significance of this fuel-saving, eco-friendly and potentially brand-shaping trend early on in the game. In the course of last year, Mercedes compiled three alternative carbon fiber vehicle projects:

- B Clever, a high-roof four-door hatchback, much like the new B-class, but far more sophisticated as far as design and engineering. To be equipped with a diesel hybrid (for the European market) and with a plug-in hybrid (for the rest of the world), B Clever was aimed squarely at the upcoming BMW i3 and i5.

- SCS, a brand-new front-engine two-seat supercar positioned one full notch above the SLS. This racy low-drag showpiece would outshine the BMW i8, and it would be an unmistakable gesture towards McLaren. (The former allies from the UK were at one point meant to partner with Mercedes for a three-piece sports car portfolio of which the MP4 is the first chapter.)

- E Superlight, a four-door notchback loosely based on the footprint of the next-generation E-class. A sedan may not have the marketing impact of a supercar or the deep green luster of a subcompact, but the E-class segment is Mercedes heartland and it harbors all the core brand values.

The Decision

The B car approach was quite clever indeed, but it would have been very expensive to produce, and with no Quandt family to personally carry the financial and entrepreneurial risks (as at BMW), the proposed Golf-plus-size hatchback was first to fall through the grid. While the SCS had the potential for greatness, it was feared to be the wrong message at the wrong time. It also might have gotten lost in the barrage of upcoming MB sports cars, which starts with the new 2013 SL, followed by an SLS facelift, then the smaller SLC coupé/roadster, and finally an SLS replacement that will also be carbon-fiber intensive but positioned well below the McLaren. That left the E Superlight, which is close to the CLS in size and is close to the S-class in price.

Getting the Look

Although E Superlight is said to borrow elements from ho-hum concepts like F800 (C-class-size) and F125 (S-class-size), we can only hope that the recent flamboyantly decorative shapes, questionable proportions, and over-the-top detailing will soon give way to a trend-setting architecture that is aerodynamically efficient, functional and versatile, pretty to look at, and sufficiently exciting to match the revolutionary content.

While we don’t know yet what visual theme, we do hear that the E Superlight features a radical door concept with relatively short rear pantograph panels that swing out and back. Thanks to the stiff and strong carbon fiber structure, there is no need for B-pillars, which should make entry and egress a truly grand experience. Although the suicide doors draw a certain parallel to BMW’s project i, Mercedes will go one step further by creating a full carbon fiber architecture that does without an aluminum chassis. This is said to not only reduce cost and complexity, it also brings the weight down further. In all, the E superlight is said to undercut the current steel-bodied E-class by nearly 800 pounds.

Powertrain and Production

The sole initially intended source of propulsion is a 150-hp fuel cell that drives the rear wheels in sync with a 50-hp electric motor. At a later stage, Mercedes may add a conventional gasoline or diesel engine, or a plug-in hybrid application.

Although the timing is still provisional, low-volume production is expected to commence in late 2015. By then, Mercedes will have gained plenty of carbon fiber experience by manufacturing body panels, suspension elements, and structural parts from the new material. By 2017, insiders expect an annual output of close to 20,000 E Superlight units, which is remarkably similar in volume to what the crew in Munich has in mind.

The biggest question mark seems to concern the feasibility of the fuel cell, for which the optimistic product planners have set a best-case scenario of 100,000 Mercedes passenger cars and vans for the same timeframe. But apart from some unresolved engineering issues (membrane, valves, connectors), the main markets also have still to establish a hydrogen infrastructure, and so far neither the politicians nor the manufacturers seem to be able to agree on maximum on-board tank pressures and on filling procedure norms. Having said that, the E superlight of course can fly without a fuel cell. After all, its main asset is light weight, and that is a benefit no matter what the powertrain.

Read more: Deep Dive: Mercedes-Benz E-Class Superlight - Automobile Magazine

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Secret new cars

Mercedes E Superlight (2015): Merc's carbonfibre fuel cell exec

By Georg Kacher (artist's impression by Auto Bild/Larson)

Mercedes' answer to the Audi E-tron and BMW i is the new E Superlight, a revolutionary carbonfibre saloon depicted here in CAR's artist's impression.

In size the new Merc E Superlight is close to the CLS, though its price stretches closer to the S-class. In design, it's said to borrow elements from ho-hum concepts like F800 (C-class-size) and F125 (S-class-size).

We can only hope that the recently prevailing jellyfish-with-rabbit-hind-legs approach will soon give way to a trend-setting architecture that is aerodynamically efficient, functional and versatile, pretty to look at and sufficiently exciting to match the revolutionary content.

So you're not sure about the latest Mercedes design look?

The three German premium kings share a potentially fatal styling problem. Audi is reducing itself to the size of the singleframe grille and the number of LEDs they can cram into light clusters; BMW is following an inexplicable hit (5-/3-series) and miss (1/7/5series GT/X1) course; and Mercedes is indulging in flamboyantly decorative shapes with questionable proportions and OTT detailing.

Halo cars such as the new E Superlight, however, present an opportunity to break new stylistic ground.

Mercedes E Superlight in detail

The E superlight is a four-door notchback loosely based on the footprint of the next-generation E-class. A saloon may not have the marketing impact of a supercar or the deep green lustre of a subcompact, but the E-class segment is Mercedes heartland which harbours all the core brand values.

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According to the Sindelfingen grapevine, E superlight features a state-of-the-art door concept with relatively short rear pantograph panels that swing out and back. Thanks to the stiff and strong carbonfibre structure, there is no need for reinforcing B-posts which should make entry and egress a truly grand experience.

Although the suicide doors draw a certain parallel to project i, Mercedes will go one step further by creating a full carbonfibre architecture which does without an aluminium chassis. This allegedly does not only reduce cost and complexity, it also brings the weight down to a new low level.

Thanks to a clever load-based confectioning scheme, suspension and drivetrain can be fully integrated into the monocoque. The sole initially intended source of propulsion is a 150bhp fuel-cell which drives the rear wheels in sync with a 50bhp electric motor. At a later stage, Mercedes may add a conventional petrol or diesel engine, or a plug-in hybrid application.

When can we expect to see the E Superlight?

Although the timing is still provisional, low-volume production is expected to commence in late 2015. By then, Mercedes will have gained plenty of carbonfibre experience by manufacturing body panels, suspension elements and structural parts from the new material.

By 2017, insiders expect an annual output of close to 20,000 E Superlight units, which is remarkably similar in volume to what the friends from Munich have in mind. The biggest quesion mark seems to concern the feasibility of the fuel cell for which the optimistic product planners have set a best-case scenario of 100,000 MB passenger cars and vans for the same timeframe.

But apart from some unresolved engineeering issues (membrane, valves, connectors), the main markets have also still to establish a hydrogen infrastructure, and so far neither the politicians nor the manufacturers seem to be able to agree on maximum on-board tank pressures and on filling procedure norms.

Having said that, E Superlight can of course also fly without a fuel cell. After all, its main asset is the lightweight structure which is tipped to undercut the current steel-bodied E-class by over 350 kilos. Once the E Superlight has taken off, the carbonfibre technology will also be applied to the SLS replacement, sources say.

Mercedes E Superlight (2015): Merc's carbonfibre fuel cell exec | Secret New Cars | Car Magazine Online

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IMO, that's a ballsy move by M-B, and I like it. Not digging the supposed styling, but an E-Superlight sounds fantastic. Hopefully, it'll come with a more varied choice for powertrain besides the fuel-cell/electric motor.
 
Its the direction the industry will take. BMW is doing it with BMW i, Audi has plans to a major weight reduction, and MB of course plans to do it as well. This E-Class will be the excuse to produce more CF and to create economies of scale.
 
Sounds lovely..that PS is horrible though..
it will look much better than that..i can bet my ass on that:)
 
Damn that a hideous render. Lol. I hope the next E-Class looks like that so I can have a reason to try something else out. :D
 
K-A you will hate the next E at first then love it like you do your white beauty...
 
Haha, very much probably. It's a tradition I think. In order for the E to truly be a hit, I need to go through those motions now. :D
 
Damn that a hideous render. Lol. I hope the next E-Class looks like that so I can have a reason to try something else out. :D



Like that render suggest, I think we can bank on the inner light lenses being fased out on the next E.
 
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised, with 3 gens of it now. It'll probably go to a more generic shape.
 
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It might be something like this render. Whatever the case it will have that "mature" look to it. More mature than the current version.
I hope by then we will see different lenses as I indicated in the SL thread. Something like these wouldn`t be bad imo.

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Yeah I think the 4 lights have been incorporated in every way they can so I can see the Designers going the different route. I for one love them as they add some distinction and uniqueness to the front.
 
Yeah I think the 4 lights have been incorporated in every way they can so I can see the Designers going the different route. I for one love them as they add some distinction and uniqueness to the front.

That's not true. I got two words for you: isosceles triangles. That is the wave of the future when it comes to the next-gen E-class headlights. Mark my words. :D
 

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