X5 New X5 E70 spy pictures (and videos) - part 2

[klier]

Well, there's a difference between "crazy looking" and "revolutionary". No doubt, the E90 3 Series looks totally different from the E46, hence, revolutionary, but in all honesty, it's not too crazy looking - it still manages to look conventional.

Please stop the endless debate. There are books written about why BMW went radical, and you can all find it on the internet. A short summary would be something like: every other brand BMW competed with started to look like a BMW, so they wanted something recognisable again.
And now, after the first revolutionary 'Bangle line', BMW is ready for the next revolution, starting with the next 7er or crossover! About time too, because when I see cars like the new CL class, I can't help to think they had a 6er on the design table with them.

 

[Top Secret]

You have misunderstood klier. I was not debating why BMW went 'radical'; rather, why the X5 remains on an evolutionary progression, while every other BMW is revolutionary.

Seems a bit hypocritical of them.

 

[Michael]

You have misunderstood klier. I was not debating why BMW went 'radical'; rather, why the X5 remains on an evolutionary progression, while every other BMW is revolutionary.

Seems a bit hypocritical of them.

Interesting. I wouldn't say so. Look at the 3er it was a evolution as well. I think the cars that they want to be conversvative with for the sake of sales they will be.

 

[Top Secret]

Interesting. I wouldn't say so. Look at the 3er it was a evolution as well. I think the cars that they want to be conversvative with for the sake of sales they will be.

Really? I personally think the difference between the E46 and the E90 is huge - they just don't look anything alike. The E36 and E46, to me, was an evolutionary change, but the jump up to the E90 is like comparing apples and oranges in terms of exterior design.

But, I'm drifting off topic.

Therefore, my question still stands.

"Why is the E70 X5 such an evolutionary design?"

 

[EnI]

Really? I personally think the difference between the E46 and the E90 is huge - they just don't look anything alike. The E36 and E46, to me, was an evolutionary change, but the jump up to the E90 is like comparing apples and oranges in terms of exterior design.

But, I'm drifting off topic.

Therefore, my question still stands.

"Why is the E70 X5 such an evolutionary design?"

E90 design is an evolutionary approach.

Why some cars are radical and some are not. BMW AG main target is making profit. They can play with low-volume cars like Z4, 7er, 6er, X6 but some cars are just to important and can not be too radical (3er, X5, X3, 1er) because the risk is too high.

1er / 2er is a bit special case since it's aimed for younger buyers so the design is a bit more dynamic despite being a high-volume car.

3er, X5 & X3 are the benchmarks in their segments so the evolutionary approach is more suitable. Do not expect some radical changes in design of these series. Also the compact sedan & SUV markets are the most conservative markets!

The only car where BMW really have taken the risk was 5er. It's a high-volume car, and the design is radical. This executive sedan segment is the thoughest segment where the fight is the hardest between MB, Audi & BMW. BMW do not want 5er to be "me too" car, so they made E60 radical. They took a risk to capitalize more sales (and profit).

If scott is right (I'll check his news), BMW are now aiming to make 5er even more radical in shape: making it even more coupeish, while the skin styling will be evolutionary (evolved flame surfacing). So the new 5er will be attacking both E-class & CLS simultaniously.

 

[klier]

The only car where BMW really have taken the risk was 5er. It's a high-volume car, and the design is radical. This executive sedan segment is the thoughest segment where the fight is the hardest between MB, Audi & BMW. BMW do not want 5er to be "me too" car, so they made E60 radical. They took a risk to capitalize more sales (and profit).

I don't know man, I think the E65 still was a bigger risk.

Anyhow, let's wait (lame, I know) and compare some real pics of the E53 and E70 to see what the differences are. There's not much left to do but wait, because less camo is not going to happen. The next batch of pics will just have some mild tape on the car, showing exactly what we want to see. I personally think the current X5 will look old and boring compared to the E70, just like BMW manages to do with every updated model.

 

[Deutsch]

Eni,

I really appreciate you pointing out that the E90 is an evolution of the E46, because in actuality it is, though many have said the exact oppisite. Looking at the details (especially the rear) one can see the similariteis between the two generations and the modifications made to give the elements a newer and fresher look n the new model. The transition from the E53 to E70 is the same scenario, though perhaps a bit more subtle, much more will be revealed when PR pics are released, but one can even see now the similarities and disimlarities between the two. I dont' think many will be saying that the E70 comes off as more a facelift than an all new model as has been said about other more recent launches of updates to older models from other car companies (i.e. new S80).

 

[EnI]

I don't know man, I think the E65 still was a bigger risk.

Not business wise. 5er sales are almost 5x 7er sales.

I personally think the current X5 will look old and boring compared to the E70, just like BMW manages to do with every updated model.

Indeed.

 

[EnI]

...

These two (X5) Mules @ BMW Test facility are not actually X5's .
But carry underneath suspension architecture and chassis developments being developed for the upcoming BMW X6.

Why? The X5 is in it's FEP final stage with just under a month until official release. The X5 is in the final stage of camouflage and out on the road where publicity = debate and debate leads to anticipation.

The wheels seen in the X6 Mule in the background incidentally will be the top line wheel design for the X5 - A revolution of the large 19" wheel introduced with the first X5 the E53. And again will be 19" in diameter - The new X5 has some seriously sexy wheel options both as standard and as optional equipment.

 

[Centurion]

Thanks for the info
Do you think that top of the line engine for the X5 will be more powerful the 4.8 that exist today?

 

[klier]

Thanks for the info
Do you think that top of the line engine for the X5 will be more powerful the 4.8 that exist today?

I've heard of the 5.4is, but be sure to see more powerful engines in the E70. I want one engine with at least above 400 hp.

 

[Centurion]

5.4L? Beffed up V10 M5 engine?

 

[warot]

5.4L? Beffed up V10 M5 engine?

5.0 liter V8

 

[EnI]

"is" / "si" will feature NG V8 turbo with way over 400HP

 

[EnI]

Tomorrow in Munich BMW are showing E70 X5 to the European BMW representatives.



General public will see it in a few weeks.



You won't be disappointed. Official pics are gorgeous.



An interesting point: E70 X5 nose looks much more similar to E60 5er nose design, than the one of E53 X5 to E39 5er.



Also next week: FEP phases getting closed, so we will start to see E70 parked in public places.

 

[Centurion]

Great news Hopefully will see some cellphone shots in one or two days.

So tell how the damn car looks. How fabolous is it and what colour en engine has the car(s) in the official shots?

 

[warot]

Awesome, I cannot wait. By the way, those rims in the previous page are gorgeous.

 

[EnI]

So tell how the damn car looks. How fabolous is it and what colour en engine has the car(s) in the official shots?

Let's keep some detailed info for the coming days.
To step up the heat before the press release.
We still have a few weeks to go.

Guys, have a nice evening. I'm going to celebrate the 15th anniversary of the country's independance with my friends now. Cheers.

 

[klier]

Have fun Eni, thanks for the info

 

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