M3/M4 New BMW M3 Chop!

[Matt]

your point is? Grow up Matt, you're not in highschool anymore....

YES....sweet. Im putting some pop-corn in the microwave.... Actually I am graduating this saturday, so tecnically unfortunately I still am in HS but nice of you to notice that I'm almost done.

I definitely think the M3 is going to be an awesome car that is going ot put highly respected cars to shame but I won't go as far to say that its going to smoke or even compete with an F430 or a 911tt of course. I'm on the edge my seet waiting for the paris show....(isnt that when the concept is coming out?)

 

[Deutsch]

Well then Matt, stop being a brat, because right now you're throwing chips in a flame, fueling the fire... and you think the blame is going to thrown on me.

Just why the hell everyone keeps saying I said the M3 is going to beat the F430 and 911(I didn't even name a particular model) I'll never know... but keep on creating drama, stiring the pot... The E92 M3 will have it's day. More than that just what kind of cars do you suppose the E92 M3 is going to compete w/??? A bunch of entry level Porsches, a 350Z (oops, Skyline would be wayyy out of the E92 M3's league). You're only kidding yourselves, thank god I have my own mind.

 

[Matt]

Heres what its going to compete with:
RS4
C63 AMG
997 Carrera/Carrera S
CLK 63 AMG
IS 460 (if they make it)
CTS-V
C6 corvette
Mustang GT 500...

This is what the magazines are going to pit it against IMO.

 

[Deutsch]

Heres what its going to compete with:
RS4
C63 AMG
997 Carrera/Carrera S
CLK 63 AMG
IS 460 (if they make it)
CTS-V
C6 corvette
Mustang GT 500...

This is what the magazines are going to pit it against IMO.

American magazines... yeh probably. The Euro press will more than likely throw in a Lotus Elise, Aston Martin AMV8, and F430 just for the sake of comparing cars on a performance scale on not a price point (as w/ American car mags since those damm editors have such a narrow way of thinking). To understand what I'm saying, for those of you that purchased or read the issues, take a look at Evo's "Fast Club (insert year)".

 

[warot]

Heres what its going to compete with:
RS4
C63 AMG
997 Carrera/Carrera S
CLK 63 AMG
IS 460 (if they make it)
CTS-V
C6 corvette
Mustang GT 500...

This is what the magazines are going to pit it against IMO.

That sounds about right, maybe minus the Mustang. How on earth is the M3 supposed to compete against an F430 when the Ferrari has 490 horsepower?? It's alright to have your own opinion, but let's be realistic here. The M3 will not have the same power, I'm not sure about weight and for sure it won't be in the same price range. Like I said, if we are talking about a future CSL, then maybe.

 

[Deutsch]

That sounds about right, maybe minus the Mustang. How on earth is the M3 supposed to compete against an F430 when the Ferrari has 490 horsepower?? It's alright to have your own opinion, but let's be realistic here. The M3 will not have the same power, I'm not sure about weight and for sure it won't be in the same price range. Like I said, if we are talking about a future CSL, then maybe.

HP isn't everything, the car still has only 343 lbs of torque. I'm looking at this from a numbers prespective. Hell, I could be completely mistaken, but there is for a more civil way to adress a disagreement w/ someone than to attack them, putting them on their gaurd. No one knows what the M3's final HP rating is, it's all been pure speculation up to this point. However looking at proposed specifications and the current car it's a safe bet that they're going to move things up a notch or two to another level. The E46 M3 was often compared w/ 911's among many many other sports cars, I remember the comparisons being so large and so different it's hard to recall exactly all the cars it has been pitted against. Whatever happend it was always regarded as being one of the best in it's class and offering near super car levels of performance. Just where is BMW suppose to go from here on w/ the M3???

My original comment regarding the E92 M3 vs. the 911 and F430 was a light hearted comment, and look at what it has become, I'm even defending it. Then people try to pass it off as if I'm saying it's going to beat the 911 and F430, then I start reading "911 Turbo"... Some of you are of very questionable character.

 

[Matt]

The GT500 is a beast. Its a shelby thing though. Heres the stats.
Engine
Type: V8, Supercharged
Displacement cu in (cc): 330 (5409)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 500(373) / 6000
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 480(651) / 4500
Redline at RPM: 6250

 

[warot]

HP isn't everything, the car still has only 343 lbs of torque. I'm looking at this from a numbers prespective. Hell, I could be completely mistaken, but there is for a more civil way to adress a disagreement w/ someone than to attack them, putting them on their gaurd. No one knows what the M3's final HP rating is, it's all been pure speculation up to this point. However looking at proposed specifications and the current car it's a safe bet that they're going to move things up a notch or two to another level. The E46 M3 was often compared w/ 911's among many many other sports cars, I remember the comparisons being so large and so different it's hard to recall exactly all the cars it has been pitted against. Whatever happend it was always regarded as being one of the best in it's class and offering near super car levels of performance. Just where is BMW suppose to go from here on w/ the M3???

My original comment regarding the E92 M3 vs. the 911 and F430 was a light hearted comment, and look at what it has become, I'm even defending it. Then people try to pass it off as if I'm saying it's going to beat the 911 and F430, then I start reading "911 Turbo"... Some of you are of very questionable character.

I'm looking at the numbers as well though. I'll bet my life on the fact that the regular M3 will not have 490 horsepower. The current E46 M3 weighs around 3400 lbs. I have the feeling that the E92 will weigh around the same even though there's a power increase. All in all, I agree with you Deutsch, that the m3 is and will be the best in its class. That class consists of cars that Matt listed. The new M3 will have a chance to beat the 911 Carrera maybe, but nothing more than that I don't think, but that's just speculation as well. Trust me, don't you dare start questioning my love for BMW

 

[Centurion]

Beating the 911 with least power won't mean anything since it wouldn't stand a chance agasint a 911 with equal power. The 911 will still be the finer sports car.

 

[Zafiro]

Beating the 911 with least power won't mean anything since it wouldn't stand a chance agasint a 911 with equal power. The 911 will still be the finer sports car.

lol we are going to use that as argument now That wasnt an issue before Are you getting insecure about your beliefs regarding 997

 

[Centurion]

lol we are going to use that as argument now That wasnt an issue before Are you getting insecure about your beliefs regarding 997

Me insecure? Never. It's getting pretty rough in this forum and I'm even going to make a 911 avtar and put my fan boy shirt on. Anyhow you guys have got to really life that we are in a middle of a horse power war and with the brands Blitz Kriege strategy they can easily beat the weakest sports car using their incredible power. The extra 100hp that the M3 will have over the 911 carrera is enough to make up for the M3 not matching the 911's driving dynamics. A more fair comparison will be against the 355hp 911S.

 

[Zafiro]

Me insecure? Never. It's getting pretty rough in this forum and I'm even going to make a 911 avtar and put my fan boy shirt on. Anyhow you guys have got to really life that we are in a middle of a horse power war and with the brands Blitz Kriege strategy they can easily beat the weakest sports car using their incredible power. The extra 100hp that the M3 will have over the 911 carrera is enough to make up for the M3 not matching the 911's driving dynamics. A more fair comparison will be against the 355hp 911S.

Let us use the brain for a while
Look at the seize on the new 3er Coupe, its a larger car which mean its going to be heavier than the 997. M3 is always going to have weight, height and seize against it, therefore it will never have a chance to outperform a 997 around a track, unless its very stripped like CLS versions. 997 is a bigger compromise than a M3.
Not everyone are prepared to compromise and therefore a M3 (or RS4) is a very good alternative, they are more practical than a 997, they can even transport 4 people and they are also a little bit more comfortable than a 997.

997 is a hardcore compromise and will have the edge around tracks but M3 and RS4 are doing one pretty damn good work despite weight, height, shape and noone can say the opposite.
Both M3 and 997 are great cars and both have their advantages and disadvantages.


Now I hope the rest of the BMW fans are going to use their brain and think about what I just said j/k

 

[Centurion]

.........and the M3's disadvantage is, not being able as spectacular as the 911

 

[Zafiro]

.........and the M3's disadvantage is, not being able as spectacular as the 911

M3 is still spectacular for what it can do with its disadvantage

If you look at the members at m5board.com and ask them what two carbrands they own. Most of them is going to say BMW and Porsche. Many of them think BMW and Porsche is a great combination.
I cant blame them, two sporty brands, one with a track advantage and one with a everyday-use advantage.

 

[LaArtist]

one thing the new M3 will do is give a huge bang for the buck..

 

[tobajara]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphot...01.003/bmw/new-bmw-m3-coupe-latest-spy-photos

 

[warot]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphot...01.003/bmw/new-bmw-m3-coupe-latest-spy-photos

This car is going to be so sweet. I'm loving the quad exhaust.

 

[LaArtist]

looking good..we might see the final version in paris then

 

[Matt]

Looks awesome....

What we should really be comparing is power to weight ratios because we know that the 911 is going to have the weight advantage over the M3, which it will make up for in hp. However I find it difficult to believe that the M3 is going to be that much slower around the track than the 997 S because if we look at the RS4's time with a 8.09 lap and we know that the 997 S has an 8.05 lap time and we also know that BMW is aiming to destroy the RS4's time.....What Im trying to say is that the M3 will be the same speed if not faster than the 997 S atound the nurburgring....

 

[Zafiro]

the M3 has a bigger chance on Nordschleife than on Hockenheim to be fast as the 997.