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I am really curious to know how efficient this new M254 1.5 mild hybrid will be and whether it will be able to make the 93.6g/km CO2 (4L/100km) limit for 2025.

They did mention it has the economy to match a diesel, but that would mean a 20% or more improvement compared to the current petrol engines, which I am not sure this is possible to achieve.

2025 to 2034

The targets that will apply from 2025 onwards are based on the WLTP (Worldwide harmonized Light vehicles Test Procedure) and were set out in Commission Implementing Decision (EU) 2023/1623:

  • Cars: 93,6 g CO2/km (2025-2029) and 49,5 g CO2/km (2030-2034)
  • Vans: 153,9 g CO2/km (2025-2029) and 90,6 g CO2/km (2030-2034)
 
I am really curious to know how efficient this new M254 1.5 mild hybrid will be and whether it will be able to make the 93.6g/km CO2 (4L/100km) limit for 2025.

They did mention it has the economy to match a diesel, but that would mean a 20% or more improvement compared to the current petrol engines, which I am not sure this is possible to achieve.

2025 to 2034

The targets that will apply from 2025 onwards are based on the WLTP (Worldwide harmonized Light vehicles Test Procedure) and were set out in Commission Implementing Decision (EU) 2023/1623:

  • Cars: 93,6 g CO2/km (2025-2029) and 49,5 g CO2/km (2030-2034)
  • Vans: 153,9 g CO2/km (2025-2029) and 90,6 g CO2/km (2030-2034)
The hybridisation might make it possible on the WLTP test cycle. The M252 can run on electric only at upto 100km/h. Yeah the battery is small, but 15kW power draw is not much and cycling on and off over a long period or having electric only running in low speed situations should (in theory) do well.
 
Seriously doubt it. They're not discontinuing the ICE/Hybrid GLC for starters. Also the MMA platform was engineered to accept an ICE motor from the start unlike MB.EA and the others.

Yes, I suppose that you are probably right. I was simply musing, having the EQS REEV development vehicle and the new super-compact 1.5L 4 cylinder ICE in mind. With current market conditions prevalent, I was guessing that M-B key decision makers may have said to their engineers: "Develope an easily adaptable front section module that can accomodate our new super-compact ICE".

That having been said, I still wonder what the deal is with that modified front end on the electric GLC prototypes.
 
Yes, I suppose that you are probably right. I was simply musing, having the EQS REEV development vehicle and the new super-compact 1.5L 4 cylinder ICE in mind. With current market conditions prevalent, I was guessing that M-B key decision makers may have said to their engineers: "Develope an easily adaptable front section module that can accomodate our new super-compact ICE".

That having been said, I still wonder what the deal is with that modified front end on the electric GLC prototypes.

I suppose anything is possible, although I'm not seeing what's modified about the electric GLC front end.
 
I suppose anything is possible, although I'm not seeing what's modified about the electric GLC front end.

Subtle modifications. A more "vertical, higher and flatter" versus the formerly more sharknosed front facia sihouette along with a slightly more bulbous rather than ascending hoodline. Then again, it may actually be nothing more than a bit of deceiving new camouflage trickery.
 
Mercedes supplies Lamborghini & Ferrari with electric motors

The super sports cars from Lamborghini and Ferrari are supplied with electric motors from Mercedes


Mercedes bought Yasa in the summer of 2021. They revolutionized the axial flux engine. Mercedes is currently working on industrializing the engines. In the future, they will be produced at the Mercedes plant in Berlin Marienfelde for the AMG.EA platform. The new AMG GT 4-door will appear on this platform (2026) and later the AMG E-SUV.

Mercedes AMG.EA 2026


Mercedes-AMG SUV based on AMG.EA


While over 10,000 units will roll off the production line in England each year, the Mercedes plant in Berlin will produce around 100,000 units per year for the AMG.EA platform. Up to four engines with up to 2,000 hp per vehicle are planned. The target is 476 hp and 24 kg per engine.
Mercedes axial flow engine vs radial engine
3x higher energy density and 2x more torque than normal radial flux motors
Mercedes YASA axial flow engine
Only 24 kg means a saving of 67%, in addition the axial motor is significantly narrower at around 7 cm and can be positioned close to the wheel.

Mercedes supplies hybrid monsters from Italy (Ferrari & Lamborghini):

The new Lamborghini Temerario uses two axial flow motors on the front axle and one on the rear axle to support the V8.
The Lamborghini Revuelto also uses two axial flow engines from Yasa on the front axle (each 150 hp / 300 NM and weighing 17 kg each).
At Ferrari, the 296 GTB and SF90 models each receive an axial flow engine from Yasa.

Lamborghini Temerario


Innovative electric drivetrain: High-performance axial flux motor and innovative battery technology

The technical highlights include a new battery concept with high-performance liquid-cooled round cells based on a new cell chemistry. Once again, the extensive knowledge of high-performance drive trains from the motorsport experts at Mercedes-AMG in Brixworth has been incorporated into this promising concept for future performance-oriented batteries. Apart from that, the Vision One-Eleven has two powerful and advanced axial flow motors from YASA. Mercedes-Benz is developing its technology together with YASA for its next-generation electric drives to large-scale series production. YASA is an English electric motor specialist based in Oxford and has been a wholly owned subsidiary of Mercedes-Benz AG since July 2021. The company has thus secured access to a unique future technology. This technology has the potential to take e-mobility to a new level of performance.

"Axial flux motors are significantly more compact, lighter, but still more powerful than comparable radial motors, which are used in 99 percent of all electric cars today. In the axial flux motor, the electromagnetic flux runs highly efficiently parallel to the axis of rotation of the motor, while in the radial flux motor it moves perpendicular to the axis of rotation. Compared to radial flux motors, it impresses with significantly higher peak and continuous power, which ensures a new level of driving dynamics."
Tim Woolmer, founder and chief technology officer of YASA

In addition to the power and torque density, another key advantage is the slim design: This reduces weight and dimensions. The axial flux motor weighs only a third of current electric motors with the same power. At the same time, it takes up only a third of the space of a radial flux machine. This enables designers to use it in completely new ways and opens up new perspectives in the design of an electric vehicle, as the Vision One-Eleven proves.

The next generation of YASA axial flow motors will be produced at the Mercedes-Benz site in Berlin-Marienfelde. The motors manufactured there will form the heart of the upcoming drive trains in the performance segment.

 
This is an informative video on the new Mercedes Battery Recycling Factory in Germany. This is something that all EV manufacturers as well as mobile phone manufacturers should do to avoid unnecessary mining and wasting of natural minerals.

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Mercedes-Benz Is Driving Forward to the Future

The automaker spends billions every year on frankly exotic R&D, looking to optimize everything from braking to color customization to the supply of battery power in its future cars.

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Markus Schäfer, the chief technology officer at Mercedes-Benz, told Car and Driver that his company spends the equivalent of $7.4 to $8.4 billion every year on research and development. Most of that goes to designing, developing, and engineering new production models, but a significant portion is spent at Mercedes's Future Technology Lab.

We spent a day in this special building in Stuttgart getting a sneak preview of some of the exotic future technology Mercedes is exploring. Take a deep breath, because there's a lot of it.

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The automaker spends billions every year on frankly exotic R&D, looking to optimize everything from braking to color customization to the supply of battery power in its future cars.
Very interesting innovative technology. I like the thought of the augmented information in the glasses you would wear, which could be different for the passenger and driver. The battery cell parallel connections with converter could come to market quickly and provide extra benefits for charging, range, etc. Neuromorphic computing sounds game-changing stuff. It could make in car entertainment more realistic, and the car's safety systems will react almost instantaneously.
 
Very interesting innovative technology. I like the thought of the augmented information in the glasses you would wear, which could be different for the passenger and driver.

Yeah agreed but honestly all tech where you need to wear some additional glasses is doomed to fail hard. As proven many times in the past, it will remain highly niche to the point it's not viable.
Without glasses though; bring it on!
 
Yeah agreed but honestly all tech where you need to wear some additional glasses is doomed to fail hard. As proven many times in the past, it will remain highly niche to the point it's not viable.
Without glasses though; bring it on!
Yes agreed fully about the glasses thing. It will be very much a niche market, I honestly think it would be better to develop an augmented reality windscreen. Surely there must be tech nowadays where you have thin LED paper panels that can be inserted inside the windscreen glass. They can project an image in the windscreen on the inside of the car from a camera in the front of the car showing the true view forward and then the smart onscreen interfaces will be displayed once selected by the driver and passenger.

Jaguar showed this windscreen tech 10 years ago already!!

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It would be nice to be reading about an renewed emphasis on basic quality. Why do the Maybach S-Class rear doors have such wide gaps and so on. How about spending some of that money on better quality. You know the kind that made Mercedes-Benz.

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We should soon be presented photo and video footage of further "de-camo'd" pre-production prototypes. Especially the large piece of plastic cladding riveted to the hood and the large pieces of cladding covering the cars rearend may be removed and replaced with simple foil covering.
 
This is exciting technology that if brought into production could revolutionize charging an EV,

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Mercedes is researching future solar painting
Using a new type of solar paint, Mercedes-Benz wants to offer an option in the future that can generate electricity for up to 12,000 kilometers. To this end, research is being carried out into new types of solar modules that will be applied to the bodywork in a similar way to a paste.

Mercedes-Benz is currently working on new types of solar modules that could play an important role in the energy supply of electric vehicles in the future. At just 5 micrometers thick, these innovative solar cells are significantly thinner than a human hair and weigh just 50 grams per square meter. Despite their small size and lightness, they are said to be extremely efficient and could play an important role in increasing the range of electric vehicles.

The solar cells have an efficiency of 20 percent. An area of 11 square meters, which corresponds to the surface of a typical mid-size SUV , could, under optimal conditions, generate enough energy to drive up to 12,000 kilometers annually - according to Mercedes-Benz. This means that the solar cells not only serve as an additional energy source, but also feed directly into the vehicle battery to support the operation of the vehicle. Interestingly, the solar system is permanently active and generates energy even when the vehicle is turned off.

However, the actual yield of the solar modules depends on various factors, such as the intensity of the sun, the geographical location and shading by other objects. Two examples illustrate the potential benefits of this technology: In Stuttgart, most drivers drive an average of 52 kilometers per day. Around 62 percent of this distance could be covered by the solar energy from the solar modules. In regions with more intense sunlight, such as Los Angeles, the energy yield could even be so high that the entire distance could be covered by solar energy. In addition, the excess electricity could be fed into the driver's home network via bidirectional charging, which leads to further use of the energy generated.

A particularly interesting feature of the solar modules is their environmentally friendly and sustainable design. Unlike conventional solar modules, which often rely on silicon or rare earths, Mercedes-Benz's solar paint uses non-toxic, readily available raw materials. This reduces the need for rare materials and makes the production of the modules more cost-effective and less resource-intensive. In addition, the solar paint is fully recyclable, making it a more environmentally friendly alternative to traditional solar cells.

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Mercedes-Benz is working hard to enable the use of these solar panels on all external surfaces of a vehicle, regardless of the shape or angle of the surface. This would mean that the solar panels could be applied not only to the roof, but also to the sides and other areas of a vehicle. This flexibility in installation is a significant step towards widespread use of the technology and could help to meet the energy needs of electric vehicles even further.

In summary, Mercedes-Benz's research into solar modules offers a promising solution to increase the range of electric vehicles and reduce dependence on charging stations. Thanks to their high efficiency, low material requirements and environmentally friendly production, these innovative solar modules could make an important contribution to the future of electromobility.
 
This is exciting technology that if brought into production could revolutionize charging an EV,
It's just dust in the wind.

It has been debunked that even with solar panels that cover the entire car , like , even glass , would not add any real range to a car.

I am an engineer and I worked in the past with solar panels at a project ( was working on a pet gps tracker with a solar charging in the collar )

Even modern solar panels can't get pass 300-400w per square meter.

It's math : a car can have , let's say , 10sqm of panels. 10x 300w = 3000w per hour. Even the most efficient EV draws 13-15kwh/100km. It could get you to work ? Probably.

But my math is an absolute best SF scenario . Embedded solar panels in car panels will be 1/10 of the modern solar panel output....
 
It's just dust in the wind.

It has been debunked that even with solar panels that cover the entire car , like , even glass , would not add any real range to a car.

I am an engineer and I worked in the past with solar panels at a project ( was working on a pet gps tracker with a solar charging in the collar )

Even modern solar panels can't get pass 300-400w per square meter.

It's math : a car can have , let's say , 10sqm of panels. 10x 300w = 3000w per hour. Even the most efficient EV draws 13-15kwh/100km. It could get you to work ? Probably.

But my math is an absolute best SF scenario . Embedded solar panels in car panels will be 1/10 of the modern solar panel output....

Yes, this also strikes me as being a bit of public relations hocus-pokus. IMHO, what will be of absolute essense regarding the future of electric automobiles: a.) sustained OTA update facilities that will keep BEVs technologically "fresh" for years to come. b.) precise, punctual battery repair facilities that make replacement of entire battery units superfluous. These are factors that could alleviate the currently desolate resale value dilemma as well as substantially reduce maintanence and repair costs.

Of course, vehicles should be visually enticing and associated infrastructure should be highly accomodative as well. And hopefully, the Germans will finally tune-in to the benefits of large volume scale gigacasting. M-B's bio-skeletal influenced body structure concept as seen on the Vision EQXX is also a step in the right direction, reducing weight and saving material resources.
 
Well, if the real square would be only 5 m² you could earn within 8 hours around 12kWh.
So that's for 80km. Isn't that suitable for an office day ?

My problem is, that many parking places are under the ground or roof, especially when solar roofs are been built over parking areas - they also help reducing the heating of the car with additional needed energy for cooling down.
 
Imagine the replacement cost for this led windscreen.

It's like imagining a screen in a car 20 years ago.

Now mandatory.

To be honest, just having a more advanced HUD would be better.

This IS a more advanced HUD. Current HUD projection tech is a stop gap solution which leaves 95% of the windshield empty..

This is exciting technology that if brought into production could revolutionize charging an EV,

Already posted in the BEV thread (where it belongs).
 

Mercedes-Benz

Mercedes-Benz Group AG is headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany. Established in 1926, Mercedes-Benz Group produces consumer luxury vehicles and light commercial vehicles badged as Mercedes-Benz, Mercedes-AMG, and Mercedes-Maybach. Its origin lies in Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft's 1901 Mercedes and Carl Benz's 1886 Benz Patent-Motorwagen, which is widely regarded as the first internal combustion engine in a self-propelled automobile. The slogan for the brand is "the best or nothing".
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