Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[AbsoluteUnit]

m254 and om654 euro7 compatible engines.

Then what's the point? Is it just Tariff dodging for the USA?

 

[leylandi]

Maybe Serpens, klier or other members who are familiar with ICE technology can comment on that articel?

As I mentioned before, the Mercedes engine family is newer than BMW's. The problem may stem from the M252 to be used in the new MMA models. First, this engine will be manufactured in China, and second, there will be no phev version. The M260 used in the current A-Class may not be Euro7 compliant either. The current 4-cylinder engines, the M254 and OM654M, are brand new units. They have no issues with Euro7. I'm very curious about the reason for this move.

 

[SKY]

Then what's the point? Is it just Tariff dodging for the USA?

Also a way to gain a better engine for MB's clients without having to invest in one. M254 is known to be more unrefined than the BMW and VAG alternatives.

So, being practical, it's something good for a prospective MB buyer.

 

[klier]

Maybe Serpens, klier or other members who are familiar with ICE technology can comment on that articel?

You give waaay too much credit. Many here know 10 times more than me. But thanks lol

 

[Swissbob]

If we compare the Torque of the B48 and M254, we can see that the BMW is far superior.

Let’s take the 330i and the C300, BMW 245PS from 4500-6500rpm and 400Nm from 1600-4000rpm, the C300 has 258PS at 5800rpm but 400Nm from 2000-3200rpm.

The BMW is also much smoother.

 

[SKY]

If we compare the Torque of the B48 and M254, we can see that the BMW is far superior.

Let’s take the 330i and the C300, BMW 245PS from 4500-6500rpm and 400Nm from 1600-4000rpm, the C300 has 258PS at 5800rpm but 400Nm from 2000-3200rpm.

The BMW is also much smoother.

I just don't think there is a single MB engine that is superior to the equivalent BMW engine currently.

 

[Swissbob]

I just don't think there is a single MB engine that is superior to the equivalent BMW engine currently.

I disagree, the M177 is.

The S58 ist better than the M256, the B58 is on par.

The Diesel engines are very close.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I disagree, the M177 is.

The S58 ist better than the M256, the B58 is on par.

The Diesel engines are very close.

The OM656 is a pretty amazing engine tbh. Manages a similar amount of power and torque as the quad turbo B57.

I agree that the M176/7/8 is a pretty amazing engine design. Though it's not used by Mercedes that much these days, the M279 is also quite remarkable despite being such a fundamentally old design. It's also extremely reliable.

The M256 is great, but god I would love for AMG to make a proper performance inline 6 to compete against the S58.

The M139 is better than the B48, but they're also not really comparable, and it's an AMG only motor. There's no equivalent S48.
But yeah the B48 is much better than the M254, which needs some improvement.

 

[SKY]

It all makes much sense. As normal looking, more advanced EVs start being available, the older, turd-looking ones are phased out.

I bet MB would like to do the same with the EQS range.

 

[leylandi]

EQS

 

[Merc1]

I just don't think there is a single MB engine that is superior to the equivalent BMW engine currently.

What makes the BMW engines better? I always thought BMW made a better I6 and Mercedes a better V8?

M

 

[Swissbob]

The OM656 is a pretty amazing engine tbh. Manages a similar amount of power and torque as the quad turbo B57.

I agree that the M176/7/8 is a pretty amazing engine design. Though it's not used by Mercedes that much these days, the M279 is also quite remarkable despite being such a fundamentally old design. It's also extremely reliable.

The M256 is great, but god I would love for AMG to make a proper performance inline 6 to compete against the S58.

The M139 is better than the B48, but they're also not really comparable, and it's an AMG only motor. There's no equivalent S48.
But yeah the B48 is much better than the M254, which needs some improvement.

I agree.

The M139 feels special.

I would love to Testdrive the Emira with the AMG engine. Because I think that’s a car in which this engine really shines.

 

[hannaz]

we can see new DRL & turn signal treatment on GLS FL in this reel

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[Design FIRST]

It all makes much sense. As normal looking, more advanced EVs start being available, the older, turd-looking ones are phased out.

I bet MB would like to do the same with the EQS range.

Yes, this decision would have seemed inevitable. There is really little if any reason to flog the the dead horse that the EQE series (as well as EQS series) has become. The new electric E and S Class vehicles cannot come soon enough. And the announced convergence of BEV and ICE design, in favour of "ICE silhouettes", appears a strategy that could finally pay dividends for a currently reeling M-B. Should they also get the material/fit and finish qualities of their interiors back on par, M-B should be just fine.

 

[MPertz]

Maybe Serpens, klier or other members who are familiar with ICE technology can comment on that articel?

Although we are not speaking about the same engine, the N47 diesel in my F10 is well over 400K Km. It's been serviced in time only at BMW Service, and still goes very nice and well.

 

[klier]

we can see new DRL & turn signal treatment on GLS FL in this reel

We should be seeing the new model instead of another facelift though. This car is 6 years old.

 

[Design FIRST]

Inspiration for a future bespoke M-B Mythos automobile ?:

 

[klier]

YES! More AI crap! Thanks for posting.

 

[Design FIRST]

YES! More AI crap! Thanks for posting.

You're most welcome.

By the way, what is the seemingly prolific beef with AI generated automotive images ? Make no mistake, there is no replacement for pure human artistic and creative talent. The ability to freehand 3 dimensional sketches is a genuine gift that deserves highest praise. But not all (including myself) are even remotely capable of doing this, yet creative ideas, although sometimes derivative, can still flourish in the minds and spirits of those who are not handcrafts persons. And considering that AI is becoming an ever more significant element in so many processes, why not take advantage of what it has to offer ? Even "ancients" like me can appreciate it.

 

[Esp5]

Speaking about the EQE/EQE SUV, they're killing these models after barely four years on the market (until 2026). They haven't even managed to reach their FL, astonishing.

The C and GLC EVs were supposed to add models, but instead they'll be without EVs in the mid-range segment for a whole year in the case of the sedan (until the E-Class EV arrives), and who knows how long in the case of the SUV.

Less than 10 days ago I read that Ola indicated they would update the EQE to 800v with the new platform, etc., and 20 minutes later they cancel the car and the SUV entirely. The bad news must be enormous to act so vehemently improvised. It's not even serious anymore.

Are there examples of models of any brand canceled mid-cycle due to selling so poorly?