Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[Design FIRST]

C class EQ estate

Cool...as well as inevitable, I suppose.

 

[Uygar]

C class EQ estate

Why is it still wearing the old face?

 

[sl123]

Negotiations on a powertrain alliance
What is driving Mercedes and BMW to form an engine pact:
The automotive crisis is opening up new opportunities: archrivals BMW and Mercedes are negotiating an alliance in the powertrain sector, initiated by Mercedes CEO Ola Källenius. The plan is to start with BMW four-cylinder engines for Mercedes.

(m+) Mercedes und BMW: Werden aus Konkurrenten bald Partner? Motorenpakt im Gespräch

Die Autokrise eröffnet neue Möglichkeiten: Die Konkurrenten BMW und Mercedes verhandeln über eine Allianz im Antriebsbereich. Losgehen soll es mit BMW-Vierzylindern für Mercedes.

www.manager-magazin.de

Mercedes Could Soon Use BMW Engines: Talks Underway on Four-Cylinder Supply - Report

Mercedes is in talks with BMW to source four-cylinder engines from 2027. The deal could reshape both brands, secure BMW’s Steyr plant, and mark a major shift in Mercedes’ engine strategy.

www.bmwblog.com

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Why is it still wearing the old face?

Probably hasn't been updated yet. The front facia is probably the least important thing at it's current stage of development.

 

[leylandi]

The Mercedes engine portfolio is newer than BMW engines. It didn't make sense to me.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

The Mercedes engine portfolio is newer than BMW engines. It didn't make sense to me.

I imagine it's because the M252 is manufactured in China. The M254 is getting on a bit and is I think made in Europe. The M139 is an AMG motor that's not going to be made in enough volume (though I do think a detuned factory assembled version would be a good idea).
They'd need time to spin up a factory in the US to produce enough motors to meet demand, and crucially, avoid Tariffs.

All of this is about tariffs. If they weren't a thing, I don't think Mercedes would bother. And the B48 is a fine motor, at any rate.

 

[hannaz]

 

[Design FIRST]

A future spiritual successor to the C107 SLC ? :

 

[SKY]

Negotiations on a powertrain alliance
What is driving Mercedes and BMW to form an engine pact:
The automotive crisis is opening up new opportunities: archrivals BMW and Mercedes are negotiating an alliance in the powertrain sector, initiated by Mercedes CEO Ola Källenius. The plan is to start with BMW four-cylinder engines for Mercedes.

(m+) Mercedes und BMW: Werden aus Konkurrenten bald Partner? Motorenpakt im Gespräch

Die Autokrise eröffnet neue Möglichkeiten: Die Konkurrenten BMW und Mercedes verhandeln über eine Allianz im Antriebsbereich. Losgehen soll es mit BMW-Vierzylindern für Mercedes.

www.manager-magazin.de

Mercedes Could Soon Use BMW Engines: Talks Underway on Four-Cylinder Supply - Report

Mercedes is in talks with BMW to source four-cylinder engines from 2027. The deal could reshape both brands, secure BMW’s Steyr plant, and mark a major shift in Mercedes’ engine strategy.

www.bmwblog.com

Damn… Though times to be an MB fan I guess.

And even worse with the new AMG EVs about to come in a time when other manufacturers are suffering for having launched similar products years before.

New leadership is needed urgently.

 

[Rolf]

A future spiritual successor to the C107 SLC ? :

It would have been nice to have a SLC again with a boot instead of hatch like the AMG GT. Proper Mercedes coupe instead of fast back.

 

[Design FIRST]

Damn… Though times to be an MB fan I guess.

Yes, I suppose that this is true.

"Old School" fans of brands that are, or at least WERE, identified and appreciated by way of their "German Heritage" may be in for times of great disappointment. We see indications of this in elaborations by German brand CEOs that increasing commitment and spirit of cooperation will be directed towards China. Increasing frustration with policy making (or the lack of) in a stagnant at best Germany and the EU in general are seeing shifts of leverage foremostly to the benefit of Chinese venues. North American investment, despite it's massive market, is being increasingly put on a back burner due to high uncertainty regarding the Trump administration and it's policies. They present most unstable enviroments for commerce, trade and investment. "Made in Germany" no longer has the allure that it once had. More important is "Made by Mercedes-Benz", "Made by Porsche", "Made by BMW" etc. And the most compelling products will be presented as those having been developed in an environment of cutting edge technological innovation. And this pertaining to product as well as manufacturing process, not to forget security in planning anchored in rationale rather than being exposed to often obstructive regulation.

 

[Uygar]

Probably hasn't been updated yet. The front facia is probably the least important thing at it's current stage of development.

It’s an AI picture. Everyone on the social media says the same thing as well. I noticed it too but wasn’t exactly sure until now.

 

[Swissbob]

Yes, I suppose that this is true.

"Old School" fans of brands that are, or at least WERE, identified and appreciated by way of their "German Heritage" may be in for times of great disappointment. We see indications of this in elaborations by German brand CEOs that increasing commitment and spirit of cooperation will be directed towards China. Increasing frustration with policy making (or the lack of) in a stagnant at best Germany and the EU in general are seeing shifts of leverage foremostly to the benefit of Chinese venues. North American investment, despite it's massive market, is being increasingly put on a back burner due to high uncertainty regarding the Trump administration and it's policies. They present most unstable enviroments for commerce, trade and investment. "Made in Germany" no longer has the allure that it once had. More important is "Made by Mercedes-Benz", "Made by Porsche", "Made by BMW" etc. And the most compelling products will be presented as those having been developed in an environment of cutting edge technological innovation. And this pertaining to product as well as manufacturing process, not to forget security in planning anchored in rationale rather than being exposed to often obstructive regulation.

Well said
Todays cars remind me of the malaise era. It’s malaise era 2.0.

Malaise era - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Serpens]

I imagine it's because the M252 is manufactured in China. The M254 is getting on a bit and is I think made in Europe. The M139 is an AMG motor that's not going to be made in enough volume (though I do think a detuned factory assembled version would be a good idea).
They'd need time to spin up a factory in the US to produce enough motors to meet demand, and crucially, avoid Tariffs.

All of this is about tariffs. If they weren't a thing, I don't think Mercedes would bother. And the B48 is a fine motor, at any rate.

The M139 isn't Euro7 compliant anyways. As funny [and embarrassing for some] as this is, the B48 is the best I4 around imo so it will be an improvement.

The Mercedes engine portfolio is newer than BMW engines. It didn't make sense to me.

If the economics don't work it doesn't matter how new MB's engines are. It makes sense to me that this only for I4s. Mercedes has been mismanaged since the pandemic and this is the price that must be paid to get out of the mess.

 

[Design FIRST]

Well said
Todays cars remind me of the malaise era. It’s malaise era 2.0.

Malaise era - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There are certainly some parallels.

 

[Rolf]

This Mercedes advertisement was released in South Africa in 1993 and was a brilliant ad. It is amazing that it came true!!! There are many 1990s Mercedes still on the road in the 2020s.

Why cant Mercedes do this again? Build cars to last 30 years!

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[Swissbob]

They do, G Class.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

They do, G Class.

I do wonder how successful an S class that is styled after the G wagon would be.

 

[Swissbob]

I do wonder how successful an S class that is styled after the G wagon would be.

I would order one.

 

[Matski]

I do wonder how successful an S class that is styled after the G wagon would be.

Given the reaction when somebody says anything bad about the S- or G- ... wildly.