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WOW!While on the subject - I saw this today and was amazed. The C217/W222 was peak MB interior design imo, but the C216 holds its own quite well almost 20 years on:
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WOW!While on the subject - I saw this today and was amazed. The C217/W222 was peak MB interior design imo, but the C216 holds its own quite well almost 20 years on:
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Spot on.
I agree, that V6 Bi-Turbo is nothing special.Gotta love the woulda shoulda coulda. Genesis is impressive if you think leather and wood alone make luxury. Their mechanicals and drivetrains aren’t nothing on the Germans. Not even close.
M
The S500 beat the G90 comprehensively in the Car and Driver comparison test. Its powertrain and handling/comfort are in another league and untouchable.I agree, that V6 Bi-Turbo is nothing special.
It does the job, that’s all.
As expected. All this G90 nonsense is just happening in Sonder’s imagination. He just feels the need to share it with us, somehow.The S500 beat the G90 comprehensively in the Car and Driver comparison test. Its powertrain and handling/comfort are in another league and untouchable.
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Altough the airsuspension of W222 was very good, the one on the W223 is noticable better, I’d even say much better. In the NVH departement MB managed to make a remarkable quiet car even quieter. At the same time, both feel rather nimble, as far as the concept allows.Mick how would you describe the driving dynamics of the W223 compared to the W222?
Is yours with 4,5 degrees rear wheel steering or 10 degrees because w223 seems pretty maneuverable with the 10 degrees?The steering on the W223 feels different, when manoeuvring at low speed. As If it has less steering wheel rotations. The turning circle feels/is larger. In parking garages, the W222 was easier manoeuvrable, handling better at low speed. And that’s not, because the wheelbase of W223 is a bit longer than that of the W222.
Mine is without rear wheel steering.Is yours with 4,5 degrees rear wheel steering or 10 degrees because w223 seems pretty maneuverable with the 10 degrees?
Obviously, you haven’t sat in a G90 yet. The way the G90 is built, the W223 can only dream of it.Gotta love the woulda shoulda coulda. Genesis is impressive if you think leather and wood alone make luxury. Their mechanicals and drivetrains aren’t nothing on the Germans. Not even close.
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The same goes for Mercedes’ V6 Bi-Turbo — it gets the job done, but it definitely doesn’t belong in an S-Class.I agree, that V6 Bi-Turbo is nothing special.
It does the job, that’s all.
The S500 beat the G90 comprehensively in the Car and Driver comparison test. Its powertrain and handling/comfort are in another league and untouchable.
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I drove it at the beginning of 2024, see my impressions here: https://www.germancarforum.com/threads/second-gen-genesis-g90-revealed.65704/post-1319728Obviously, you haven’t sat in a G90 yet. The way the G90 is built, the W223 can only dream of it.
No one is saying that the type of wood and leather alone defines luxury — but along with the final finish and craftsmanship, as well as the attention to detail, they are important factors in how a passenger feels in the car.
The engine? 417 horsepower and 0–100 km/h in 4.9 seconds is perfectly comparable to the S-Class. Just with a V6, though.
As for sound insulation — even Thomas from Autogefühl said it's the best he's ever experienced, and he was also impressed with the exceptional suspension, which you can even separately adjust just for the rear.
In my opinion, the Mercedes S500 is also underpowered and rough — it doesn’t suit the S-Class at all.
The only engine that fits the W223 is the originally introduced 580 without all the hybrid batteries and other crap — even the S63 is a big joke with that battery and the sound, which would honestly make me ashamed to say I own an AMG.
As expected. All this G90 nonsense is just happening in Sonder’s imagination. He just feels the need to share it with us, somehow.
Please man. I’ve driven the car several times. It’s nothing special beyond the wood and leather. The I6 in the S500 is a far better engine in actual testing. The S500 is faster and gets better mileage. That’s engineering. The G90 ain’t got squat on an S once you look past the leather. Whatever you think the S lacks in finish it makes and then some underneath the car.Obviously, you haven’t sat in a G90 yet. The way the G90 is built, the W223 can only dream of it.
No one is saying that the type of wood and leather alone defines luxury — but along with the final finish and craftsmanship, as well as the attention to detail, they are important factors in how a passenger feels in the car.
The engine? 417 horsepower and 0–100 km/h in 4.9 seconds is perfectly comparable to the S-Class. Just with a V6, though.
As for sound insulation — even Thomas from Autogefühl said it's the best he's ever experienced, and he was also impressed with the exceptional suspension, which you can even separately adjust just for the rear.
In my opinion, the Mercedes S500 is also underpowered and rough — it doesn’t suit the S-Class at all.
The only engine that fits the W223 is the originally introduced 580 without all the hybrid batteries and other crap — even the S63 is a big joke with that battery and the sound, which would honestly make me ashamed to say I own an AMG.
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