E-Class Mercedes Benz E-Class Coupe Facelift

[Levi68]

Now will this "E" coupe share the exact same headlights as the proper E class sedan?

Probably. It would reduce costs, especially for a car that doesn't sell well. I however think it is a mistake not to offer any E 63 AMG Coupé/Cabrio with the TT 5.5 V8.

 

[Merc1]

I agree, they should offer something AMG in the coupe/convertible body style. A AMG Black Series E Coupe or an E63 Cabriolet would be my choices. The BS E Coupe might be too much to ask for so soon after the C63 BS Coupe.

M

 

[Levi68]

I agree, they should offer something AMG in the coupe/convertible body style. A AMG Black Series E Coupe or an E63 Cabriolet would be my choices. The BS E Coupe might be too much to ask for so soon after the C63 BS Coupe.

M

The worst thing about that, is that it really costs "nothing". It is only so to say hardware than must just be bolt-on. That is the case with Z4 M, 1M V8, Cayman 3.8 and probably others. I really do not understand why there are no such cars. I thought that business was pleasing/satisfying the demand. I don't believe nobody would buy an E 63 AMG Coupé or Convertible. The E 63 AMG Coupé/Convertible/Black Series better come, M6 is a (heavy) and M3/M4 are just around the corner.

 

[Merc1]

The worst thing about that, is that it really costs "nothing". It is only so to say hardware than must just be bolt-on. That is the case with Z4 M, 1M V8, Cayman 3.8 and probably others. I really do not understand why there are no such cars. I thought that business was pleasing/satisfying the demand. I don't believe nobody would buy an E 63 AMG Coupé or Convertible. The E 63 AMG Coupé/Convertible/Black Series better come, M6 is a (heavy) and M3/M4 are just around the corner.

I really can't tell what you're saying here. The old CLK63 AMG Convertible sold decently here so I don't see why an AMG E Cabrio wouldn't. Bolt on? I seriously doubt that. Putting a turbo engine in the E Coupe/Cabrio (C-Class chassis) would require a lot of R&D IMO.

M

 

[Levi68]

Putting a turbo engine in the E Coupe/Cabrio (C-Class chassis) would require a lot of R&D IMO.

M

The 6.2l V8 engines in the C 63 AMG (W204) and E 63 AMG (W212) are basicaly the same; the one in the W204 is NA, the one in the W212 is TC. The previous CLK (C209) was like the current E Class (C207), it based on the C Class (W203/W204). First the CLK 55 AMG (C209) had a NA 5.5l V8, while the E 55 AMG (W211) had the same engine 5.5l V8 but SC. Then the W211 got the NA 6.2l V8, and the C209, which is in reality is a W203, also got the same NA 6.2l V8 but detuned, just in the same way the C 63 AMG (W204) got a detuned engine version of the E 63 AMG (W212). This means both W204 and W212 can have the same engines. Now the W212 has recieved a TC 5.5l V8, it can 100% fit into the W204, in this case C207. I don't believe there is any R&D or testing to do. Just get the right software, and update the chassis (suspension,...) to AMG parts, which is bolt-on pure. After all that is what BMW did for the 1 Series M. The same goes for the 981, there is no work needed (R&D) to fit in the 3.8l from the 991.

 

[Merc1]

The 6.2l V8 engines in the C 63 AMG (W204) and E 63 AMG (W212) are basicaly the same; the one in the W204 is NA, the one in the W212 is TC. The previous CLK (C209) was like the current E Class (C207), it based on the C Class (W203/W204). First the CLK 55 AMG (C209) had a NA 5.5l V8, while the E 55 AMG (W211) had the same engine 5.5l V8 but SC. Then the W211 got the NA 6.2l V8, and the C209, which is in reality is a W203, also got the same NA 6.2l V8 but detuned, just in the same way the C 63 AMG (W204) got a detuned engine version of the E 63 AMG (W212). This means both W204 and W212 can have the same engines. Now the W212 has recieved a TC 5.5l V8, it can 100% fit into the W204, in this case C207. I don't believe there is any R&D or testing to do. Just get the right software, and update the chassis (suspension,...) to AMG parts, which is bolt-on pure. After all that is what BMW did for the 1 Series M. The same goes for the 981, there is no work needed (R&D) to fit in the 3.8l from the 991.

Oh I see what you're saying, yes not that hard to do, but some of what you mention is in fact R&D, more power means more cooling requirements at the least, and the chassis makeover defintely is.

I think Mercedes just doesn't see a point in an AMG E Coupe based on the CLK55 and 63s just ok sales, just my guess. The CLK63 Cabrio was offered for just one year I think?


M

 

[purplehenk]

I think the small technical difference between the E Coupe and the C Coupe would be a very assumable reason not to build an E63 BS Coupe.

 

[PHYBENZ]

 

[Levi68]

I think the small technical difference between the E Coupe and the C Coupe would be a very assumable reason not to build an E63 BS Coupe.

We have both the E500 Sedan and the E 500 Coupé powered by the same 4.7l V8. If the E Sedan can fit the 5.5l V8 then the the E Coupé (which basically is a C Coupé) can also fit the 5.5l V8. No (much) work needed.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

We have both the E500 Sedan and the E 500 Coupé powered by the same 4.7l V8. If the E Sedan can fit the 5.5l V8 then the the E Coupé (which basically is a C Coupé) can also fit the 5.5l V8. No (much) work needed.

Your post makes no sense on more than one level.

Firstly, you say if the 5.5l V8 fits the E sedan then it can fit the E Coupe, seemingly saying they're the same size, which they're not, and then bizarrely you even confirm that you know the E Coupe is in fact a C Coupe, and therefore they're not the same size. So you're contradicting yourself.

Secondly, Purplehenk wasn't talking about whether the engine can fit in the E Coupe. He is saying that due to the fact the E Coupe is basically a C Class coupe in terms of chassis and size, a Black Series version of the E Class Coupe will be far too close to an already existing car, the C 63 AMG Black Series Coupe.

 

[Levi68]

Your post makes no sense on more than one level.

Firstly, you say if the 5.5l V8 fits the E sedan then it can fit the E Coupe, seemingly saying they're the same size, which they're not, and then bizarrely you even confirm that you know the E Coupe is in fact a C Coupe, and therefore they're not the same size. So you're contradicting yourself.

Secondly, Purplehenk wasn't talking about whether the engine can fit in the E Coupe. He is saying that due to the fact the E Coupe is basically a C Class coupe in terms of chassis and size, a Black Series version of the E Class Coupe will be far too close to an already existing car, the C 63 AMG Black Series Coupe.

I don't see any contradiction. I may just expressed badly.
Again, the E Coupé is in fact a C Coupé. However the E Coupé has an engine that is found in the E Sedan, the 4.7l V8. As the E Coupé (being a C Coupé) can fit an engine from the E Sedan, then the engine of the E AMG Sedan would also fit. I don't mean "fitting" as Brabus, where they put a V12 every car. Futher, an E AMG (BS) Coupé would not be close to a C AMG (BS) Coupé, because one is powered by a NA 6.2l V8 and the other would be powered by a TC 5.5l V8.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I don't see any contradiction. I may just expressed badly.

Fair enough.

 

[Wolfgang]

MB dropped another hint at the online parts catalog. A new BiTurbo V6 is listed for both the updated E400 Coupe and the updated E400 Cabriolet. 4MATIC versions are not listed for either one, which may preclude offering the AMG versions. The updated E63 AMG sedan and updated E63 AMG wagon are both listed with 4MATIC standard.

Mercedes EPC lists this BiTurbo V6 for both the updated E400 Coupe and E400 Convertible.

 

[Merc1]

WOW.

M

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

MB FINALLY bringing out a long overdue bi-turbo 6!

 

[Gianclaudio]

I don't understand why Mercedes deleted the "ponton" arch on the sedan and keeps it on the coupe, on which does look more ass heavy than the sedan

 

[Levi68]

I don't understand why Mercedes deleted the "ponton" arch on the sedan and keeps it on the coupe, on which does look more ass heavy than the sedan

Technical reasons. For the Coupé/Cabrio ther would have to redesign the whole rear-quarter panel, which is part of the chassis. For the Sedan/Tourer they only have to redesign the rear door, which is a "small" removable and exchangable part. Just get pre-facelift rear doors, and you have the "ponton" back on the facelited car.

 

[Gianclaudio]

Good point Alex, but still, having to modify the mold for the door is about as difficult as the mold of the panel.....

 

[K-A]

Technical reasons. For the Coupé/Cabrio ther would have to redesign the whole rear-quarter panel, which is part of the chassis. For the Sedan/Tourer they only have to redesign the rear door, which is a "small" removable and exchangable part. Just get pre-facelift rear doors, and you have the "ponton" back on the facelited car.

I just realized, the W212 will be the first car that will have pre-facelfit owners who want to employ the facelift look into their cars needing "NEW REAR DOOR MOD". LOL

And people try and convince themselves that this isn't a drastic reconstructive facelift for the W212.

 

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Will the bi-burbo V6 be the debut of the turbo set-up that MB has been trying finish for a couple years now?