AMG ONE [Official] Mercedes-AMG Project ONE

[Centurion]

Am I the only one feeling a tad disappointed after almost 5 years of waiting?

Naah. The spec sheets, myriad of F1 buttons and active aero score maximum bro points.

It's like an all signing, all dancing dual zone air fryer. You can talk about its features for 30-60min with the inlaws.

 

[Matski]

So...

The performance hybrid produces a total output of 782 kW (1063 hp) from one combustion engine and four electric motors,

Max. system output	782 kW (1063 hp)
Max. speed, combustion engine	11,000 rpm
Max. output, combustion engine	422 kW (574 hp) at 9000 rpm
Specific output, combustion engine	359 hp/l
MGU-K (electric motor on the crankshaft)	120 kW (163 hp)
MGU-FL/MGU-FR (electric motors on the front axle)	2 x 120 kW = 240 kW (326 hp)
MGU-H (electric motor of the electric exhaust gas turbocharger)	90 kW (122 hp)

Combustion engine drives the back wheels... power 574hp.
MGU's on the front wheels... 163hp each.

That totals 900hp.

I'm therefore assuming the system power quoted (1063hp) minus 900hp leaves the 163hp from the MGU-K (the motor that drives the crank). This would imply then that engine can make 574hp without the MGU-K running (i.e. when the battery is empty). But what about the Turbo/MGU-H? Surely the turbo is partially responsible for the 574hp/359hp/l figure... so when the battery is flat, how effective is the electricaly driven Turbo? What's the power of the combustion engine when the Turbo isn't electrically assisted?

 

[Bridster]

So...





Combustion engine drives the back wheels... power 574hp.
MGU's on the front wheels... 163hp each.

That totals 900hp.

I'm therefore assuming the system power quoted (1063hp) minus 900hp leaves the 163hp from the MGU-K (the motor that drives the crank). This would imply then that engine can make 574hp without the MGU-K running (i.e. when the battery is empty). But what about the Turbo/MGU-H? Surely the turbo is partially responsible for the 574hp/359hp/l figure... so when the battery is flat, how effective is the electricaly driven Turbo? What's the power of the combustion engine when the Turbo isn't electrically assisted?

Good question. I would assume that the software never allows the battery to go so low that the turbo can't be powered fully. But, it might also be the case that when you are on a circuit and pushing it, you simply never drop to a rev range where the electric motor is needed to help the turbo spool up and so it never becomes an issue as far as the engine max power is concerned.

 

[klier]

We hope she makes up for her weaknesses on paper while on the track.

All this talking fron the side about specs on a paper doesn't say much. I'll wait for some official times and then decide wether it's a failure (which I seriously doubt).

 

[TopspeedPT]

2017:

>1,000hp
0-200 km/h in less than 6 seconds
1,300kg (DIN)
350 km/h
Electric-only range 31 km

2022:

>1,000hp (1,063hp)
0-200 km/h in less than 6 seconds (7s)
1,300kg (DIN) (1,695kg (DIN)) (+395kg!)
350 km/h (352 km/h)
Electric-only range 31 km (19 km)

0-200Km/h (claimed by manufacturers)

.....................Bugatti Chiron Pur Sport: 5.5s
...............Bugatti Chiron Super Sport: 5.8s
..................................Bugatti Centodieci: 6.1s
..............................Bugatti Chiron Sport: 6.1s
............................................Bugatti Chiron: 6.5s
..............................Hennessey Venom F5: 6.5s
.....................................Koenigsegg Jesko: ??
..................................Koenigsegg Regera: 6.6s
......Bugatti Veyron 16-4 Super Sport: 6.7s
..............................Ferrari SF90 Stradale: 6.7s
................................................McLaren Elva: 6.7s
....................................................McLaren P1: 6.8s
............................................McLaren Senna: 6.8s
...........................................Ferrari LaFerrari: 7.0s
.......................Mercedes-AMG One: 7.0s
.............................................McLaren 765LT: 7.0s
Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse: 7.1s
...................................Porsche 918 Spyder: 7.2s
...................................Bugatti Veyron 16.4: 7.3s
...........................................Ferrari 488 Pista: 7.6s
................................................McLaren 720S: 7.8s
.................................Ferrari 812 Superfast: 7.9s
..............................................Ferrari F12 TDF: 7.9s
.......................................Ferrari Monza SP2: 7.9s

Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: "less than 9s"

 

[bmwz4coupe]

This is a huge disappointment. And this is a huge understatement, by the way.

This is supposed to be a hypercar, together with the Valkyrie. As 918/LaFerrari/P1 was a decade ago.

A hypercar should be the fastest thing on the planet, and by a huge margin.

AMG One 1,6 is aprox as fast in a straight line as the 9 year old hypercar Porsche 918. Around a circuit it will probably be faster, but this will only be because of better tyres (Cup 2 R).

AMG One 1,6 is slower in a straight line than Ferrari SF90, which is not a hypercar (it costs 8 times less!). Around a circuit it will probably be beaten by the SF90.

And how could a experienced company like Mercedes miss the weight target by almost half a ton??? I know the supercars always misses the target weight, but 400 kg?!?!

 

[Bridster]

To give the abject, catastrophic failure that is the AMG One some credit, though, the acceleration numbers are very likely quite conservative. There is no way that an AWD, electric motor assisted car does 0-100km/h in only 2.9s. As I said, it should at the very least be 2.5s, the same as the 918/SF90, perhaps even slightly better. That's just a matter of dialing your launch control and the car has massive, fat tires which should have a lot of longitudinal grip.

The 100-200 time of 4.1s seems quite realistic for the power and weight. So if the 0-100 time is 2.5, the AMG One should be able to do 0-200 in 6.6s. The SF90 which weighs slightly more and has slightly less power does 100-200 in 4.5s. So the AMG One should be a bit faster. That said, 4.1s is still behind the Model S Plaid, the Chiron variants, the Rimac Nevera, whatever Koenigsegg car you pick and even pretty even with P1/765LT/Senna. The 1400kg Valkyrie will also be much faster.

It should have been much better.

 

[duesy]

It's heartbreakingly attractive. Makes me feel like a little boy all over again. As for the performance, the only thing that matters is how quickly and capably it accelerates in and out of a proper track's corners––like an F1 car. The rest is nonsense.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Do you think that they will release the internal N'ribg lap time? I think Mercedes will market it as F1 tech for the road rather than a car that's capable of breaking records.

No, I am sure they will not release ring time. They where flirting with the famous 6:11 time some years ago, and we now see that this was a stupid mistake.

Yes, they market it as F1 for the road, but then it should be the fastest around a circuit among road cars. F1 is all about being fastest around a circuit.

 

[martinbo]

Single clutch automated manual.

 

[LaArtist]

the hate is immense ..

I wonder if it was a bmw , would it then be the greatest car to ever see the light of day ?

 

[Centurion]

Single clutch automated manual.

Suitable for a race car, no?

Specs aside, how reliable do we think this car will be? Can it be driven lap after lap without breaking or needing a few hours of cool down?

Will Mercedes insist on sending an AMG One technician to accompany owners in the pits?

 

[klugscheisser87]

the hate is immense ..

I wonder if it was a bmw , would it then be the greatest car to ever see the light of day ?

I remeber the excuses about the i8 with mini engine…
Now the i8 is send to the garbage of car history.

But being fair, BMW did some nice jobs in another aspect, the already colleccionist Z8 and the i3 which was a missed oportunity because of wrong timing, but for what it was for any car enthusiast it’s crazy that they made it and it didn’t have to be a super or hypercar for creating something that innovative.

 

[LaArtist]

I remeber the excuses about the i8 with mini engine…
Now the i8 is send to the garbage of car history.

But being fair, BMW did some nice jobs in another aspect, the already colleccionist Z8 and the i3 which was a missed oportunity because of wrong timing, but for what it was for any car enthusiast it’s crazy that they made it and it didn’t have to be a super or hypercar for creating something that innovative.

Lol the i8 .. disgusting

 

[Laurent T]

Just looked at the spec sheet... numbers are indeed quite disappointing. Looks like Mercedes has been too ambitious for this project, missed the target, yet has to release something not to look too stupid.

 

[slicknick]

Single clutch automated manual.

The jury is out until the lap times & test drives are available to public, but purely on the specsheet, as far as disappointments go,I can only compare this to the infamous Jaguar XJ220 (which was promised as a V12, but then, made it to production w/ a V6 that had almost half expected power figure....

I was so looking forward to this; but let me see what I cannot get over;
- ~500 kg heavier than initial estimates
- 1063 bhp (I know they made no firm commitments, but I suppose we were all expecting something circa 1200+ bhp)
- single clutch automated manual (yeah, besides the performance dimension, let's see if it ends up being anywhere near as reliable as a dual clutch)
- 0-200 in 7 seconds (pretty sure they were promising under 6 seconds)

So yeah, it's not an F1 car for the road, and it sure isn't a road car for the road....Just like what Clarkson used to say about the F50, it is an expensive mongrel for the billionaires; with so much promise yet dogged by compromises.......


Hope the actual performance on the track shines a bright light on the grim evidence we seem to have thus far

 

[bmwz4coupe]

To give the abject, catastrophic failure that is the AMG One some credit, though, the acceleration numbers are very likely quite conservative. There is no way that an AWD, electric motor assisted car does 0-100km/h in only 2.9s. As I said, it should at the very least be 2.5s, the same as the 918/SF90, perhaps even slightly better. That's just a matter of dialing your launch control and the car has massive, fat tires which should have a lot of longitudinal grip.

The 100-200 time of 4.1s seems quite realistic for the power and weight. So if the 0-100 time is 2.5, the AMG One should be able to do 0-200 in 6.6s. The SF90 which weighs slightly more and has slightly less power does 100-200 in 4.5s. So the AMG One should be a bit faster. That said, 4.1s is still behind the Model S Plaid, the Chiron variants, the Rimac Nevera, whatever Koenigsegg car you pick and even pretty even with P1/765LT/Senna. The 1400kg Valkyrie will also be much faster.

It should have been much better.

Regarding weight vs the cars I compared to:

Ferrari SF90 Assetto:
claimed dry weight 1570 kg
Tested curb weight: 1700-1740 kg

Porsche 918:
Claimed DIN weight: 1675 = curb 1680 kg
Tested curb weight: 1690-1720 kg

Porsche 918 Weissach:
Claimed DIN weight: 1634 = curb 1639 kg
Tested curb weight: 1640-1680 kg

AMG One:
Claimed DIN weight 1695 = curb 1699 kg
Tested curb weight: we will have to see. AMG GT are normally 40-90 kg heavier than claimed weight, but I guess that One will have less options that increase weight, so real weight will maybe be 1720-1750?

 

[ratutory]

the hate is immense ..

I wonder if it was a bmw , would it then be the greatest car to ever see the light of day ?

It's not just Bmw fanboys hating on this. Go to any other auto forum and it's the same. Car is a big disappoinment from what they promised and what has been finally delivered. The price is outrageous for the performance, it doesn't look special enough, and when you engine blows after 50k you have to she'll out a million for a new one. I applaud AMG for trying to make this, something the boys at BMW will never do, but it's a big swing and a miss in my books

 

[Bucketslash11]

And how could a experienced company like Mercedes miss the weight target by almost half a ton??? I know the supercars always misses the target weight, but 400 kg?!?!

you'd think a company like Mercedes has enough resources to not cut corners and achieve at least within 200kg of targeted weight

Aston Martin does have the excuse that it is privately owned and the owner is looking at his bottom line rather than maximizing resources spent on the car (looking at bottom line is still a negative in this usage)

 

[Bucketslash11]

The jury is out until the lap times & test drives are available to public, but purely on the specsheet, as far as disappointments go,I can only compare this to the infamous Jaguar XJ220 (which was promised as a V12, but then, made it to production w/ a V6 that had almost half expected power figure....

I was so looking forward to this; but let me see what I cannot get over;
- ~500 kg heavier than initial estimates
- 1063 bhp (I know they made no firm commitments, but I suppose we were all expecting something circa 1200+ bhp)
- single clutch automated manual (yeah, besides the performance dimension, let's see if it ends up being anywhere near as reliable as a dual clutch)
- 0-200 in 7 seconds (pretty sure they were promising under 6 seconds)


Hope the actual performance on the track shines a bright light on the grim evidence we seem to have thus far

looking at what i can find with the XJ220 they seem to promise >500hp V12, which is a figure they matched with the TTV6, unless you have some other sources with rumoured output

THE AMG ONE

1200hp rumoured
<6 seconds 0-200kph
1300kg target weight

more than anhthing it makes the holy trinity look more impressive, the Valkyrie is still the one i'm looking at as the highest performance hybrid hypercar