C-Class (W203) M3 and RS4 KILLA

[Merc1]

but why 510hp? Its going to cost a lot, a lot more than Rs4, give the car 430hp and make it more driver-orinted and give the car a more resonable price. That would be enough.

Well I doubt if it will get the full 510hp in the next generation car but as a farewell to the current C they just might do it. I can see it is a limited production car like the CLK DTM AMG.

M

 

[Yperion]

A 6.3 lt engine will never work in a small car like the C class. C55 already has many problems due to excessive weight in the front part of the car.

 

[bum-man]

The C55 (Nurburgring package) has nearly 50/50 weight distribution. The new V8 weighs 6 kilos less than the outgoing 55 engine, not to mention it is more compact...

 

[Merc1]

You'll have to forgive Yannis, he thinks that a Mercedes are like Audis which have "many problems" with weight distribution and the far foward placement of their engines.

Yannis you really need to give up this silly notion about Mercedes and their weight and where it is placed because there are no facts to support this most bogus of claims. Mercedes having "many problems" because of "excessive weight" in the front of their cars is plain bullstuff.

M

 

[GTA45E]

A 6.3 lt engine will never work in a small car like the C class. C55 already has many problems due to excessive weight in the front part of the car.

This is
I`ve never herd of the C55 having many problems due to it`s larger V8.
Fact is Car&Driver said the C55 has better straight line stability than the
Audi RS4 or BMW M3 at speeds beyond 200km/h!

 

[GTA45E]

268hp already feels pretty good, 510hp in a SLK would be insane . i really doubt they'll give it the full 510 though, that would upset the owners of the higher end models like the AMG version of the SL.

I don`t think so Notic, unless your talking about the currant SL55 AMG
Thay say it will get a 517hp power boost. The SL63 is supposed to get the
Bi-Turbo version good for 571+hp!

 

[Yperion]

You might expect this stiff ride quality to equate with crisp racetrack handling, but that was not the case. There was a surprising amount of up-and-down motion in the suspension, accompanied by relentless understeer, which was aggravated by high steering effort at almost any speed. Mercedes seems to be making the old GM mistake of confusing effort with feel, and in this case it has created an exaggerated sense of mass, even though the Benz was the lightest car in the group.

Even with the ESP switched off, the C55's stability system still asserts itself to some degree, contributing to understeer. (It can be totally deactivated, but this is intended for dyno testing.) We also noted a deterioration in the Benz's braking prowess during lapping at Nelson Ledges. Although the C55 posted the shortest stopping distance in our instrumented testing—a commendable 165 feet from 70 mph—the pedal quickly became spongy on the track, even though Nelson Ledges isn't particularly hard on brakes. Spongy brakes will certainly stimulate the old adrenal gland, but that's not our idea of a desirable way to get the adrenaline flowing.

The upshot of the foregoing was the slowest lap times at the racetrack—a best of 1:21.12, or 88.8 mph—and third-of-three scores for steering feel, handling, and fun to drive. And with the highest prices in the trio—base and as-tested—it also drew an indifferent score for value. As a consequence, the C55 finished behind the CTS-V by one point. We can only hope this doesn't provoke any arrests in Stuttgart.

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Still, we saw the Audi's value quotient about the same as the Caddy's, and the S4 drew winning marks in major scoring areas such as driver comfort, ride quality, and steering feel—categories that say a lot about what a car will be like to live with day in, day out, all roads, all traffic situations.

In the same vein, the Audi dominated our two distinct subjective categories—fun to drive and gotta have it, first in the former, tied with the C55 in the latter.

In our 2003 comparo, we called the S4 "a rising star." This time around it seems clear that the new star has fully risen. As one logbook writer observed, the S4 is "a thoroughly lovable sports sedan. How often do we get to say that?" Not often enough.

Quoted from C&D comparo where S4 won over C55 and CTS-V: http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=8682&page_number=4

 

[GTA45E]

Yeah, I know. I read this article bofore. You failed to post the RS4 stability
at 200km/h compared to the C55 though. That was my point. It was you who pointed out "problems with a larger engine" Besides, I never make an overall
evolution based on one magazine article.

This C63 might be an improved piece of engineering compared to it`s brother the C55. You never know.

 

[Yperion]

I 'm sure that next generation C class will be much improved therefore we might see a much better new C55 AMG.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

OMG, M3 and RS4 KILLA, LOL, funny stuff here at the MB lounge.

 

[LaArtist]

LOL man you making fun of my thread name.. nothing wrong with it.. it will be a killa if it comes out the way the way the article says