C-Class (W203) M3 and RS4 KILLA

[Alx]

I think they had a problem with the strength of the frme , when they attempted to put the Kompressor with the 55AMG engine, we discussed this back in the original GCF once...

I just dont rmemeber all the detail.

But still too much for such a little car.

 

[LaArtist]

Well someone has to go forward with it.. im pretty damn sure that the next M3 after this will be pushing over 500hp...
And by then it will be okay.. so i say good for MB to lead the HP race..

PS
Dont know about that frame thing.. but afaik the 55 kompressor engine didnt make it to the C... by the way i think they can pull it off cause the 55 engine has like 700nm.. and the 63 has 600 something.. ohh and its pretty light weight the new one.. lighter than the M V10

 

[Alx]

Im all for projects, lets see what they will turn out... key here is not the power, its the reliabilty and safety.

Anyone can throw a big engine in a car, but if the car cant handle it there are many problems that come with that.

 

[LaArtist]

Well im confident that MB wont just take a ordinary 55 C and put this engine in and call it a day.. thats not how things work over at MB..

PS
Lets just see what happens with it.. ohh and if this happens.. then we could expect more HP for S CL and SL 63´s---maybe even E and CLS 63

 

[Zafiro]

Like I said earlier, this smells like the E65 and CLS65 story.

 

[Alx]

Like I said earlier, this smells like the E65 and CLS65 story.

Thats basically what im saying.

 

[Alx]

C63 Amg?

here's a version from emercedesbenz.com



Are you tired of the measly 363 horsepower C55 AMG? Do you sit cowering in the corner at night worried that BMW's upcoming M3 will run circles around your poor little C-Class?

If rumors are true, you may soon be able to rest a little easier. Autocar has captured what are believed to be photos of an upcoming Mercedes C63 AMG. Yes, that's right... no more puny 5.5-Liter 363 horsepower V8 producing 376 lb-ft of torque; real men want an earth-bending 6.3-Liter 510 horsepower V8 producing 465 lb-ft of torque.

What this means in plain English: this car will be fast, very fast.

Now before you get your hopes up, I must warn you - Autocar is also reporting the C63 probably won't be scheduled for series production. It will, however, be produced in limited numbers, for 'preferred' customers.

What this means in plain English: you gotta be rich, very rich.

Oh well, I guess that exludes me. You know, I could always opt for the 2.5-Liter 201 horsepower C230, throw a C63 badge on it, and tell everyone I'm too cool to drive fast... or not.

As always, stay tuned and we'll keep you updated if we get any more details on the C63.

 

[MoSs]

thats incredble ,,,, CRAZY power for the c-class,,, i was about to post that thread 2 days ago but i was too lazy lol .... thanx

 

[bum-man]

Seems like too much power for a C, it will bend the Chassis for sure. Car is too small and not a track car, i too would gor for bigger body like an E with that power.

Project is interesting, but where is it going...

I would not feel to safe in this car.

Since when does small not equal a track car? The Elise is very small and is definitely a track car.

Doubtfull, If Mercs convertibles can handle 600+hp and the most torque a production car (exception: Veyron) has ever seen without perminantly tweaking the chassis I would be hard pressed to say the shorter chassied C-class can cope. Traction shouldn't be an issue either if they are widening the rear subframe and putting beefier tires, which looks to be the case with the flared fenders. BTW, they already lost 6 kilos in the front just by adding that engine.

Lesson of the day, car structural rigidity has nothing to do with how massive the car is.

 

[Alx]

M3 and RS4 killer.

Since when does small not equal a track car? The Elise is very small and is definitely a track car.

Hehehe... thats not what i meant.... size had nothing to do with it. Im saying as the car is to drop an engine that size into it would be too much power, the car would need a redesign and some substanial changes to handle that power.

Again in the origianl GCF we had a topic discussing why the C55 didn't get the Kompressor, there were some issues regarding the frame of the car, and the amount of power the car can handle without being unstable.

 

[bum-man]

The reason why Merc didn't drop the supercharged engine in was simply because it wouldn't fit. The top of the supercharger would hit the hood of the engine, hell they had a hard enough time putting the N/A version. They had to strech the front of the car ~2cm longer (I think) for it to fit which is why the front of the C55 looks a bit different from the normal C-class. Merc also had a law or something (whatever you want to call it), that a lower classed car would only perform to a certain percent of their higher classed AMG models in acceleration. Personally, I don't see the C-class having problems as most modern sedans and coupes would be able to handle that kind of power with negligible chassis flex.

 

[Porsche Guy]

The reason why Merc didn't drop the supercharged engine in was simply because it wouldn't fit. The top of the supercharger would hit the hood of the engine, hell they had a hard enough time putting the N/A version. They had to strech the front of the car ~2cm longer (I think) for it to fit which is why the front of the C55 looks a bit different from the normal C-class. Merc also had a law or something (whatever you want to call it), that a lower classed car would only perform to a certain percent of their higher classed AMG models in acceleration. Personally, I don't see the C-class having problems as most modern sedans and coupes would be able to handle that kind of power with negligible chassis flex.

BMW had the same problem with its inline six in the M3, that's why the hood has that hump or at least that's what I was under the impression it was for. Regaurdless, it looks cool and I would have loved to see Mercedes give the AMG a distinctive piece of kit that wasn't found in the body kits you can get for non AMG cars. Also, I read that the CLK's stock chassis, CLK DTM is a different story, couldn't handle the torque from the supercharged V8 so that's why it runs the NA version and I guess the same goes from the C class, as it uses the same basic chassis. I can't remember where I learned all this info, so it could be potentially very wrong.

 

[bum-man]

I could understand if the CLK had a bit of a problem (if that is true), as it does not have a B pillar and has a particular 55k engine with massive amounts of torque (more than the SLRs).

 

[wltsm]

Well I think this C63 thing is stupid!

You can have too much power, and AMG are leading the way for that, they are fitting this engine into their smallest amg powered car, which will grab attention from the other models with the same engine!

Also this car is going to cost a bomb, but I'm sure it will be very very fast!

 

[bum-man]

So you think that the CLK-DTM has too much power?

 

[wltsm]

So you think that the CLK-DTM has too much power?

The CLK is a coupe, not a sedan and it was built to celebrate DTM racing!

It was like the M3 CSL, a pure race car, not some normal sedan with a lot of power!

Sure it had a lot of power but not too much because it was built for the track!

 

[Matt]

I would rather wish that it was a mule for an AMG version of the next generation C-class. Why spend more effort on tarting up this old car with the new engine? Like the debut of the new 5.5L V8 in the W221 S-class (and not the ML), and whatever engine the next M3 is going to have (instead of in the Z4 M), save it for where it will have the most impact.

I also think the C-class isn't exactly pretty. It'd be like dressing mutton up to look like lamb, as the saying goes.

Yes. I agree. Why spend more money on an old (somewhat washed up) design. They need to focus their attention on the base models. The E CLS S and the C.

 

[bum-man]

Mercedes current DTM racer is in fact the C-class sedan. I don't see the problem if this car has the rear subframe of the DTM (allowing for wider tires), only special orders allowed, and produced in limited numbers.

Edit: And according to the Article will be cheaper than the RS4.

 

[LaArtist]

It really depends on how they do it.. i would not pay top dollars for a regualar looking C63 AMG.. but if they put a DTM kit on it.. and made it look something like the C DTM race car.. i would go nutts on it.. no doubt..

 

[Alx]

It really depends on how they do it.. i would not pay top dollars for a regualar looking C63 AMG.. but if they put a DTM kit on it.. and made it look something like the C DTM race car.. i would go nutts on it.. no doubt..

Yeh, but hows that going to be cheaper than an RS4? Doesnt make sense. Especially if its limited and only a few produced... i say it's at least $85K if made!