M5 M Division : The Road Ahead : New World Order The New BMW M5.


The BMW M5 is a high-performance variant of the BMW 5 Series marketed under the BMW M sub-brand. It is considered an iconic vehicle in the sports saloon category. The first M5 model was hand-built beginning in late 1984 on the E28 535i chassis with a modified engine from the M1 that made it the fastest production saloon at the time. M5 models have been produced for every generation of the 5 Series since 1984, with occasional gaps in production (1995 to 1998, 2023 to 2024). Official website: BMW M
^ AdvEvo - you're too stuck on the idea of solely driving an M-car around a track.

There is nothing wrong with a big, powerful and luxurious saloon that rewards its driver with a sporty, thrilling experience that is in line with traditional M-car virtues. The M5 has never been about being a trackday specialist - instead, it has won repeated accolades for dynamics that "no large saloon has any right to". On real world roads, all previous M5s have raised the bar for luxury saloon conveyance at its most involving.
 
The trick up the sleve this time around must be the chassis - as nothing has been said about that, yet.
 
Thanks aleks and Tyc...

By the way - shite - I'm only reading SCOTT's M5 thread now. I sound like a bit of an echo in retrospect. So many threads; each one of them discussing the new M5. What a pain in the ass to follow and manage.


So just merge them all together. We don't need a separate thread from Scott where the same thing is being discussed.
 
Wow,sounds great.Hopefully the new M5 surpass Porsche Panamera turbo S in performance.


No doubt whatsoever. Porsche can make small sportscars up to ther size of the 911, but for the rest don't bother.

There is nothing wrong with a big, powerful and luxurious saloon that rewards its driver with a sporty, thrilling experience that is in line with traditional M-car virtues.

And yet you have nothing but negativity towards the X5 M. Double standards???
 
Also, the X5 wasn't a pointless car because it was bad. It was pointless because why wouldn't you take the M5. But as a car, as a handling machine, clarkson was ver suprised about how good it handled. Like a powerfull saloon.

Nonetheless, very interested how this is going to turn out. HP rise is significant but not disturbingly high. I love to see the moving parts for better airflow ( hope it's more than opening/closing kidney-grille )

It'll be pretty, that's for sure :D
 
The trick up the sleve this time around must be the chassis - as nothing has been said about that, yet.


True, it should be a big part. The regular F10 chassis is a whopping 50% (!!!) stiffer than the E60. We will notice that.
 
^ Please klier, don't get me started on this...

Go and look at the X5M driving around the Top Gear track - it's all you need to look at (if you have half an appreciation of dynamic balance and body control) to see how the X5M:

a) struggles with all its mass under braking
b) can't overcome its top-heaviness
c) squirms and fidgets like an old Audi mid-corner
d) displays none of the oversteer bias on the throttle that is so characteristic of an M car.

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Skip to 3:35 for actual lap.

Do you actually pay attention to the visual evidence or do you just watch the badge going around?

Especially in the wet, that fancy differential should be allowing the X5M to oversteer on the throttle. It doesn't - it just pushes nose and lift off oversteers like my old Forester. Notice how the nose of the car bucks and dives. Strewth - this is damn M-Division heresy man. An M5 would never handle as unflatteringly as this.

BMW M cars have a deft finesse and balance about the way they handle - this thing in my considered opinion handles like that fat chick from The Gossip on roller skates. I don't care how artificially fast it is.
 
Don't agree, IMO, this clip shows exactly how M can make the difference in any segment. Sure, They can't make every car handly like the best car in the world, but they can make every car handle the best in its class. That's what this shows.
 
^ Please klier, don't get me started on this...

Do you actually pay attention to the visual evidence or do you just watch the badge going around?

Actually, I do not watch BMW stuff on Top Gear. I do not want to know what mr Clarkson thinks of any BMW, wether he thinks it's good or bad.

Lets focus on M5 again, sorry for the OT!!! Still disagree though, Rik put it VERY well. M5 shouldn't be called an M car at all compared to a Porsche GT3. It then has the same 'problems' you just mention for the X5 M on the Top Gear track.
 
Actually, I do not watch BMW stuff on Top Gear. I do not want to know what mr Clarkson thinks of any BMW, wether he thinks it's good or bad.

Lets focus on M5 again, sorry for the OT!!! Still disagree though, Rik put it VERY well. M5 shouldn't be called an M car at all compared to a Porsche GT3. It then has the same 'problems' you just mention for the X5 M on the Top Gear track.
Hmmm, let's see now, klier and Rik taking an objective viewpoint on a BMW when presented with meaningful evidence. Yeah... riiiggghht.

Let's talk about cars being special - about surprise and delight. A response that all previous M5s had an uncanny ability to elicit out of anyone - regardless of who they are in automotive opinion pecking order. This is a key feature of an M car. To do more than you were expecting it to, not only in raw numbers but also in the feel of the drive and the composure of the vehicle under pressure. Surprise and delight.

The X5M and X6M have done none of this in any of the reviews that I have read. I was expecting Revelation. Instead, what was revealed was altogether unextraordinary. In fact, the outgoing Cayenne Turbo and ML63 appear to be better drivers cars.

I hope the M5 will retain its virtuous capacity for surprise and delight.
 
578 hp for the new M5 sounds veeeery good, 4.4 sec to 100 sound even better, faster than RS6 by the way.
 
M Division : The Road Ahead

New World Order - The New BMW M5.

Whilst it's true that the M Division has come in for quite a few comments regarding current product or lets not beat about the bush The BMW X5 M and BMW X6 M. Identified as the "next Chapter" in M. Derided by enthusiasts and journalists alike. Has the M Division lost it? Has the M Division lost it's focus? Does M stand for marketing now?
Does the M philosophy no longer remain pertinent?

Are some of the comments.

The Pinnacle of Efficient Dynamics.

With the creation of BMW Efficient Dynamics. Technology aimed at reducing fuel consumption without sacrificing driving pleasure and carbon dioxide emissions spreading throughout the BMW portfolio. One question remained unanswered how will the M Division benefit ? And how will the M division remain relevant in the long term?

BMW M Division will become the pinacle of Efficient Dynamics. Welcome to the Brave New World of Performance.

Lightweight construction.

BMW M cars will now seperate themselves from the core cars by utilising the same platform but for the relevant M model. The floorplan will be pressed in aluminium. As the core 5er begins to use lightweight materials such as aluminium on the door and bonnet skins, these will transfer over as will an optional Carbon Fibre reinforced roof - A first for an M5 , and a first for a BMW performance sedan.

BMW Active Aerodynamics

First showcased on the GINA Concept Car - A car that was way ahead of it's time and key component in the BMW Efficient Dynamics programme.
In principle to reduce drag and boost downforce and lower fuel consumption. Special Aerodynamic aids that will move automatically incorporated in the front of the car including the outeredge of the wheel arches , front bumpers and within the grille intake. Mini Turbines are incorporated in the grille which convert drag under braking into electricity.

KERS (Kinetic Energy recovery System)

The new M5 will spearhead a radical addition to further reduce consumption. Conceived well within when BMW were still commencing with their F1 Programme. With KERS developed for the F1 car , BMW also created a synergy for an application of such a system to a road car.
Successfully applied to the Road Car division the KERS developed by M division consists of an on-off-on again programme involving
Twin Parallell Supercapacitors between the driveshaft providing 10 sec power boost at the press of a button. The idea is to have stored up the energy and allow the driver to unleash the power on demand. An adaption of this idea will feature in the six cylinder Active Hybrid 5 Concept Car that will be shown in Geneva in March 2010.
Tests carried out within the confines of BMW's private proving grounds are ongoing as the KERS is relatively new tech. The development of the new car remains in status.

The Importance of Character

The V10 in the E60 M5 is truly a work of art. Although a V10 was considered and remains as a possible venture for an additional M model.
The new car inherits the V8 engine found within the BMW X5 and X6 M models. Although BMW stress that the engine will be unique to the M5 with Just under 580 PS.
The V8 although shared with the X5M and X6M is completely individual and unique to the M5. With BMW adapting the engine to suit the M5 and it’s character it’s not a complete transplant. Character in an M5 is essential as is sound. The engine has to synergize with the DKG Transmission and the KERS.
The V8 will in turn be faster and more powerful than the outgoing V10 and sound just as spectacular.
The V8 will also feature cylinder shutdown also to aid fuel consumption with overall figures expected to be between 25-30% better than the E60 M5.

Aswell as a unique engine , The M5 will inherit a Dual clutch transmission which will be unique to the M5, based upon the 7 speeder found within the current M3 , eight Gears will be available and will be equipped with a stop-start control. The DCT will also be operated with steering wheel mounted paddles. The M5 although not at first will also be available with optional Carbon Fibre brakes, currently being trialled.
Customisable driving options will also feature as will a new electronic stability control with torque vectoring and roll control.
Efficient Dynamics features will also be available from the touch of a switch.

Designed for Performance

The M5's secret has always been to remain understated and discreet on the outside , but within lies the beast.
Typical M5 and BMW M aerodynamic features adorn the car. With the new 5er central grille being much larger the central intake size has been diminished , although the brake outlets are larger. Wheel arches are swollen to add some mass on the F10's athletic muscle. A side air intake is placed underneath the character line which climaxes at the wheel arch.
The Side skirts are more sculptured alllowing for good aerodynamics.
At the rear the typical Quad exhausts remain with a sculpted diffuser and central intake. A small bootlid spoiler allows the car to remain understated.
and restrained.

What Comes After?

In addition to the standard luxury performance sedan BMW will offer a more hardcore model in the same vain as the BMW M5 CSL 25th anniversary car. Swapping Luxuries for Performance and being as hardcore as they come. Not available at first but coming on steam eighteen months later. BMW want to expand the M cars by having the core model and something more inclined for enthusiasts.

A Touring model is under consideration.

Just as BMW teased the E60. The F10 BMW M5 will bow as a Production concept at the 2011 Geneva Autoshow with the production model debuting in the early summer before the world premiere at the IAA Frankfurt in 2011. European sales begin at the same time.


I wonder who this "alleged" insider is: 2012 BMW M5 Rumors - An Alleged Insider's Overview

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everybody talks always about faster faster more hp etc etc.

Go drive a car what doesn t have the weight and size of a truck. Also sportscars needs low co2. Then the wrong way is bigger and heavier a kid of 5 years old could think of that. What does bmw do. Bring ///M trucks of 2300 kg and a new M5 which are bigger again in size then the last model. Then put a turbo engine from the AG shelf into it to cut Co2. And pay ///M money for it that s just Unbelievable.

///M Motorsports please make cars smaller in size and lighter in weight and you don t need 580hp to get fast forward. You also don t need turbo s also. Build us proper race engine s again in lightweight smaller chassis. lower weight helps co2 to. Lighter wheels smaller brakes smaller diff smaller tires.

What do you think using 245 tires front and 265 tires rear does give you roll resistance.

225/40/18 all round on a 320-340hp hp is enough.

Let s face it the GTS is a good try but 1480kg is still a piggy. It has even wider tires.

The more hp you have you also need to make the cars driveline more heavy to counter the big torque etc.

Look at wtcc cars 280hp weight is 1040kg why because everything can be made lightweight because it doesn t need that heavy big rear differential and propshaft also 17 inch wheels also smaller brakes etc etc.

Has Bmw ///M learned nothing from their race heritage to bring into roadcars.

The last years ///M is walking the wrong path.
 
I have high hopes for a 1-series "GTS", that could be a blast, even if it will not get the S54. Would it be impossible to shave a further 150 kgs off such a vehicle?
 
everybody talks always about faster faster more hp etc etc.

Go drive a car what doesn t have the weight and size of a truck. Also sportscars needs low co2. Then the wrong way is bigger and heavier a kid of 5 years old could think of that. What does bmw do. Bring ///M trucks of 2300 kg and a new M5 which are bigger again in size then the last model. Then put a turbo engine from the AG shelf into it to cut Co2. And pay ///M money for it that s just Unbelievable.

///M Motorsports please make cars smaller in size and lighter in weight and you don t need 580hp to get fast forward. You also don t need turbo s also. Build us proper race engine s again in lightweight smaller chassis. lower weight helps co2 to. Lighter wheels smaller brakes smaller diff smaller tires.

What do you think using 245 tires front and 265 tires rear does give you roll resistance.

225/40/18 all round on a 320-340hp hp is enough.

Let s face it the GTS is a good try but 1480kg is still a piggy. It has even wider tires.

The more hp you have you also need to make the cars driveline more heavy to counter the big torque etc.

Look at wtcc cars 280hp weight is 1040kg why because everything can be made lightweight because it doesn t need that heavy big rear differential and propshaft also 17 inch wheels also smaller brakes etc etc.

Has Bmw ///M learned nothing from their race heritage to bring into roadcars.

The last years ///M is walking the wrong path.


AdEvo, why come you don't you buy a Lotus Elise/exige? And it is a serious question, not a rhetorical one or mocking one.

As for M, I think it is just making what the market is asking which is more and more powerful cars with more creature comforts. I also wish they would do what you are asking, but the fact is you (or me to a less extend) is minority.
 

BMW M

BMW M GmbH, formerly known as BMW Motorsport GmbH, is a subsidiary of BMW AG that manufactures high-performance luxury cars. BMW M ("M" for "motorsport") was initially created to facilitate BMW's racing program, which was very successful in the 1960s and 1970s. As time passed, BMW M began to supplement BMW's vehicle portfolio with specially modified higher trim models, for which they are now most known by the general public. These M-badged cars traditionally include modified engines, transmissions, suspensions, interior trims, aerodynamics, and exterior modifications to set them apart from their counterparts. All M models are tested and tuned at BMW's private facility at the Nürburgring racing circuit in Germany.
Official website: BMW M

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